Klitschko v Povetkin Oct 5th

Seems like this fight is close to a done deal now. Povetkins manager has bid a whopping 23m at the purse bids stage and will stage the fight in Moscow at whats expected to be a 70,000 sell out. Hopefully Povetkin can provide a good challenge.

Perhaps the only competitive fight for Wlad around atm after how easily he beat haye, and while Povetkin has a punchers chance you'd expect an easy KO win for Wlad

A heavyweight title fight that, in theory, at least, should be worth something. Povetkin can hardly be said to have over-exerted himself in the quest for one of the brothers up to now, so he presumably feels that his time has finally arrived. So much the better. It may mean that we have a contest at last, rather than a foregone conclusion.

Povnitkin hasn't even over exerted himself in his title defenses. He earns a guarantee 7 million from this fight. I expect him to lose and retire. He's avoided this fight for so long.

I knew he wouldnt face Fury or Wilder next. Another unexciting match.

Hopefully we will get to see Fury, Haye, Price, Wilder and these guys face each other if the Klitschko brothers wont play ball.

winchester wrote:I knew he wouldnt face Fury or Wilder next. Another unexciting match.

Hopefully we will get to see Fury, Haye, Price, Wilder and these guys face each other if the Klitschko brothers wont play ball.

Why on earth should fight those novice fighters. Wlad would beat all 3 of them even if they tripple teamed him.

Have you forgotten he shut out Haye?

At this stage it's third time lucky for the Wlad v Povetkin fight. I will believe this fight is happening when I see the two fighters in the ring. Two previous mandatory fights were ducked by Povetlen. Maybe the payday is big enough this time.

From memory Teddy Atlas pulled Povetkin out of the last fight after the contract was signed as he felt the Russian wasn't ready.

Watching Povetkin struggle with Marco Huck is evidence enough to me that this is an easy win for Wlad.

You are probably right, but it is still the only half way competitive fight outside of fighting his own brother.

Without trying to sound too thick, can someone explain the process of purse bids I have never been quite sure how it works.

Purse bidding is just different promoters competing to win the right to promote a fight. Purse bids are normally called for when a mandatory fight has not been agreed between promoters and a governing body wants the fight made.

The promoters who want to stage the fight put in their bids. The promoter with the highest bid generally gets to put on the fight. A promoter does not have to be linked to a fighter in order to put in a purse bid.


A deadline is set for the purse bids and the bids are submitted by that date. Most promoters linked to a fighter will not want purse bids as they could loose the opportunity to promote their fighter. if purse bids are called for a promoter linked to a fighter will try to negotiate a deal to stop the purse bids going ahead.

Well explained Strongback,

More or less spot on. We reviewed this tonight on the Podcast. It is supposed to be a way to ensure that a fight goes ahead ....though we all know that even purse bids don't ensure that anymore.

Strongback wrote:At this stage it's third time lucky for the Wlad v Povetkin fight. I will believe this fight is happening when I see the two fighters in the ring. Two previous mandatory fights were ducked by Povetlen. Maybe the payday is big enough this time.

From memory Teddy Atlas pulled Povetkin out of the last fight after the contract was signed as he felt the Russian wasn't ready.

Watching Povetkin struggle with Marco Huck is evidence enough to me that this is an easy win for Wlad.

Agree only believe it if you see them in ring and the Huck point is crucial here for me and is enough to convince me Wlad would win easy.

A Russian promoter Vladimir Hyunov has made a huge, huge $23 million purse bid for a fight between IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and WBA heavyweight champion Alexander Povetkin for an August 31st fight in Moscow, Russia.

Hyunov’s $23 million bid topped Wladimir’s K2 Promotions bid of $7.1 million and Povetkin’s promoters Sauerland Event’s $6.01 million. Wladimir will receive 75% of the money, which comes out to more than $17 million compared to the nearly $6 million for Povetkin.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:A Russian promoter Vladimir Hyunov has made a huge, huge $23 million purse bid for a fight between IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and WBA heavyweight champion Alexander Povetkin for an August 31st fight in Moscow, Russia.

Hyunov’s $23 million bid topped Wladimir’s K2 Promotions bid of $7.1 million and Povetkin’s promoters Sauerland Event’s $6.01 million. Wladimir will receive 75% of the money, which comes out to more than $17 million compared to the nearly $6 million for Povetkin.

Sometimes seeing these things written down brings home how silly the title situations are in boxing.

That said, probably the best fight Wlad has left of the seasoned contenders, which depressing as that is, at least it's happening

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:A Russian promoter Vladimir Hyunov has made a huge, huge $23 million purse bid for a fight between IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and WBA heavyweight champion Alexander Povetkin for an August 31st fight in Moscow, Russia.

Hyunov’s $23 million bid topped Wladimir’s K2 Promotions bid of $7.1 million and Povetkin’s promoters Sauerland Event’s $6.01 million. Wladimir will receive 75% of the money, which comes out to more than $17 million compared to the nearly $6 million for Povetkin.

Sometimes seeing these things written down brings home how silly the title situations are in boxing.

That said, probably the best fight Wlad has left of the seasoned contenders, which depressing as that is, at least it's happening

WBA 'super' heavyweight champ and WBA heavyweight champ lol.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:A Russian promoter Vladimir Hyunov has made a huge, huge $23 million purse bid for a fight between IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and WBA heavyweight champion Alexander Povetkin for an August 31st fight in Moscow, Russia.

Hyunov’s $23 million bid topped Wladimir’s K2 Promotions bid of $7.1 million and Povetkin’s promoters Sauerland Event’s $6.01 million. Wladimir will receive 75% of the money, which comes out to more than $17 million compared to the nearly $6 million for Povetkin.

Sometimes seeing these things written down brings home how silly the title situations are in boxing.

That said, probably the best fight Wlad has left of the seasoned contenders, which depressing as that is, at least it's happening

WBA 'super' heavyweight champ and WBA heavyweight champ lol.

I'm aware of that, dosn't make it any less silly

i think povetkin might be able to win this one, he hasn't looked great in some outings (huck especially) but if he can find his best form i think he has the chin, workrate and power to push wlad to his limits, especially with a russian crowd behind him.

i have heard rumors online about a possible road block. wlads team wants german drugs testing and povetkins team wants russian drugs testing. time will tell.

theres no way povetkin wins, wlad is just a class too good.

So do we expect the Russian promoter who has shelled out $23m to still make money on this?!

The Russian promoter will make money, 70,000 packed into the stadium...I would also imagine funding may be coming from not just the promoter but Russian government who love to stage global events and for them this fight falls into the category.

They wouldn’t get 70,000 people for a fight like this. That’s far too optimistic. 23 million paid for this kind of fight from some Russian sounds quite dodgy. The only boxers in the heavyweight division that could get that kind of international interest would probably be Haye, Fury or maybe Wilder being an American. And Haye mainly because of his talk and hyping up of fights. I think this will be another no show fight like Hayes recent one when this Russian guy realises he will be left out of pocket. Hopefully we can see Fury or Wilder then. Its no secret that America are desperate for a heavyweight champion and Wilder would be a huge fight that could be staged over in the U.S if Klitschko would step up to the challenge.

The K brothers wouldn't go to the states when they can easily stay in Germany and sell out 50,000 plus arena's there and make lumps of money from German TV.

As for 70,000 being optimistic, not a chance. Wladamir is a Eastern Block fighter who will have more than a few thousand fans in Russia and the surrounding countries who will go and watch him. The Russians regularly pack out stadiums to see huge sporting contests and a Heavyweight boxing title fight to see one of there own in Povetkin would do huge numbers!

Fury can't pack out Doncaster Hall never mind a stadium anywhere else in the world!

If klitschko would step up to the challenge of Wilder?!

Winchester do you seriously read your text before you send it?

Fury and Wilder are much bigger names than Povetkin and are better fighters. Fury gets large viewership figures on a regular basis and is known in the U.S and Britain. Wilder would generate huge U.S interest for a heavyweight title fight and after his destruction of gold medal winner Audley Harrison he is known on both sides of the Atlantic. These would be proper heavyweight title fights. Staging a fight in Russia against Povetkin will not capture the imagination but Klitschko doesn’t seem keen on taking on the real threats like Fury, Wilder or Price. He is opting for smaller, lesser known fighters that have padded out records but pose no threat. I don’t think this fight will go ahead. 23 million is wasted money for a fight like this and they will cancel it the same way Haye did when he realised there was no demand for the fight. Fury and Wilder are the big names in the division now.

winchester wrote:Fury and Wilder are much bigger names than Povetkin and are better fighters. Fury gets large viewership figures on a regular basis and is known in the U.S and Britain. Wilder would generate huge U.S interest for a heavyweight title fight and after his destruction of gold medal winner Audley Harrison he is known on both sides of the Atlantic. These would be proper heavyweight title fights. Staging a fight in Russia against Povetkin will not capture the imagination but Klitschko doesn’t seem keen on taking on the real threats like Fury, Wilder or Price. He is opting for smaller, lesser known fighters that have padded out records but pose no threat. I don’t think this fight will go ahead. 23 million is wasted money for a fight like this and they will cancel it the same way Haye did when he realised there was no demand for the fight. Fury and Wilder are the big names in the division now.

You must have a very tiny mind with very tiny eyes.

Povetkin is huge in Russia. Klitschko is huge in Russia. This fight is huge in Eastern Europe and Germany.

Fury is not a big name, he has fought nobody. He is not a champion.

Wilder is not a big name. His last fight was against Audley Harrison, who being the biggest name on his CV means he has an incredibly padded record.

Hahaha he is well know after his destruction of an olympic gold medalist?

Povetkin vs Klitschko wont be bug in Russia?!

Wilder and Fury have bigger names and better records than Povetkin? !

Wow. Seriousky Winchester. Just wow. You obviously have no knowledge of this sport if this is how you think.

Fury's biggest name is Chisora (who was at a career high in weight) who nearly had him out of there in the 2nd round.....and Cunningham who is a blown up cruiser with no power.....yet he decked fury on his arse and fury had to revert to cheating to even win the fight.

Wilder is untested and unproven.....who has he fought? Really who has he fough?

The likes of Wilder, Fury and Price are real threats to the Klitschko brothers. Therefore it doesn’t surprise me that these fights don’t get made. Wilder and Fury probably didn’t do their chances of chances of getting a shot at the title any favours with their impressive knock out wins lately. I predicted that neither would be given the chance to fight for the title next despite being much more of a challenge to the Klitschkos than Povetkin. Wilder especially looks to be the next heavyweight champion. Hes won every single fight by KO and decimated an Olympic champion in less than a minute. Hes American, he delivers knock outs, he is delivers excitement. This guy is already the best heavyweight in the world. But there seems to be no way of forcing either of the Klitschko brothers to actually face him. The same goes for Fury. I think if the Klitschko pair wont take them on then Wilder and Fury should face each other iin the States in a huge fight. I would consider the winner of that the de facto heavyweight champion and given how many various titles there are these days the could easily promote it for one.

Povetkin just isn't very good. Wlad will destroy him. All rounds to Wlad and a mid to late round stoppage. The standard format.

Hahahahahahahahahaha im not even responding. Your just a WUM on these boards.

Wilder is already the best heavyweight in the world because he has won every fight by KO and he decapitated an Olympic champ in less than a minute?

Bearing in mind that said Olympic champ was 41 year old Audley Harrison who was decapitated by Sprott, Haye, Price etc.

If you gave fury 27 bums to fight he would (or should) knock them all out as would any talened boxer.

When Wilder fights someone live like Price, Fury, Chisora, Helenius, Banks, Chagaev, Pulev then come back online.

Winchester you are being rather silly. Impressive knockout wins? They were against Audley Harrison and Cunningham.

One was against a deluded and past it Boxer, the other was a cheat punch where he forearmed him into place against the ropes before the punch!

Wasting your time, chaps. No oxygen for the microbe, please.

All I'll leave him with Cap' is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6g2jevCxdQ

If he thinks that would beat Wlad then I'm sorry but theres nothing more to be said.

Boxtthis wrote:Povetkin just isn't very good. Wlad will destroy him. All rounds to Wlad and a mid to late round stoppage. The standard format.

Replace with any name at present in all reality.

I cannot believe the tripe that Winchester is coming out with!! Povetkin at least has been fighting at the top level for a few years and refused (or his trainer refused) to be rushed into a fight he wasn't ready for. Now he believes he is ready, he is willing to fight (we hope). This is a genuine contender who I expect to lose badly. But at least he is a genuine contender!! Given that he and Wlad are huge stars in Russia and Germany, this is the most lucrative fight in the heavyweight world at the moment.

Wilder needs to fight at least twice against genuine top ten contenders before he can be considered. Price needs to avenge his defeat against Thompson and then fight a couple of top ten contenders. Fury is the closest. If he can fight one fighter that is legimately top ten, then I would say give him a shot. Otherwise, this is Calzaghe vs Froch all over again i.e. at the time when Froch was making all the noise, there was more lucrative and interesting match ups for Calzaghe and ducking had nothing to do with it. It was business and Froch hadn't done enough at that point in his career.

winchester wrote:They wouldn’t get 70,000 people for a fight like this. That’s far too optimistic. 23 million paid for this kind of fight from some Russian sounds quite dodgy. The only boxers in the heavyweight division that could get that kind of international interest would probably be Haye, Fury or maybe Wilder being an American. And Haye mainly because of his talk and hyping up of fights. I think this will be another no show fight like Hayes recent one when this Russian guy realises he will be left out of pocket. Hopefully we can see Fury or Wilder then. Its no secret that America are desperate for a heavyweight champion and Wilder would be a huge fight that could be staged over in the U.S if Klitschko would step up to the challenge.

Dear god, who is this kid???!!

Someone put the clueless WUM down.....

winchester wrote:Fury and Wilder are much bigger names than Povetkin and are better fighters. Fury gets large viewership figures on a regular basis and is known in the U.S and Britain. Wilder would generate huge U.S interest for a heavyweight title fight and after his destruction of gold medal winner Audley Harrison he is known on both sides of the Atlantic. These would be proper heavyweight title fights. Staging a fight in Russia against Povetkin will not capture the imagination but Klitschko doesn’t seem keen on taking on the real threats like Fury, Wilder or Price. He is opting for smaller, lesser known fighters that have padded out records but pose no threat. I don’t think this fight will go ahead. 23 million is wasted money for a fight like this and they will cancel it the same way Haye did when he realised there was no demand for the fight. Fury and Wilder are the big names in the division now.

Hahahaha top hat. He is annoying ......to the max level....

The Klitschko fanclub are out. Its not that difficult to comprehend. Wilder and Fury are clearly big names in the division and they possess the size, strength and power to beat either of the Klitschkos brothers. It’s a bit of a giveaway that the Klitschkos haven’t been challenging them. Wilder, Fury and Price are the future of the heavyweight division with or without the Klitschkos. They are old now and their time is passing. It seems like they are clinging to the title rather than defending it properly against the biggest and best opponents. I think there is a good chance they would lose to the likes of Price, Fury or Wilder but regardless these guys will bring the interest and entertainment in the division whether the Klitschkos will take them on or not.

Someone kick this clueless plonker off the board...please!! For the sake of everyone's sanity...!!!!!

winchester wrote:It seems like they are clinging to the title rather than defending it properly against the biggest and best opponents.

And what do you call Wlad's defeat of Haye??

Deal with him the same way as you deal with a nutter on a bus. Don't make eye contact, do not respond, do not open up any dialogue at all ...

TopHat24/7 wrote:

winchester wrote:It seems like they are clinging to the title rather than defending it properly against the biggest and best opponents.

And what do you call Wlad's defeat of Haye??

This is what Im saying. Haye was much too small to threaten Wladimir Klitschkos jabbing at a distance style. It was an easy win for Wladimir in the end because it was a size and style mismatch. Wladimir Klitscko would not be able to get away with jabbing like a wimp at a distance against the likes of Wilder, Price or Fury. They are physically just as big and strong as him and much more aggressive. Wladimir Klitschko has been knocked out in the past by worse fighters than these guys. Haye is a decent boxer but to be honest he was overrated because of how he talked up fights and he is too small in comparison with some of these heavyweights around now.

The last three fights for Wlad.

Franciso Pianeta - 6' 5". Record 28 0 1
Mariusz Wach - 6' 7.5". Record 27 0 0
Tony Thompson 6' 5". Record 36 2 0

Proof positive that Wlad is picking on midgets to fight!

winchester wrote:The likes of Wilder, Fury and Price are real threats to the Klitschko brothers. Therefore it doesn’t surprise me that these fights don’t get made. Wilder and Fury probably didn’t do their chances of chances of getting a shot at the title any favours with their impressive knock out wins lately. I predicted that neither would be given the chance to fight for the title next despite being much more of a challenge to the Klitschkos than Povetkin. Wilder especially looks to be the next heavyweight champion. Hes won every single fight by KO and decimated an Olympic champion in less than a minute. Hes American, he delivers knock outs, he is delivers excitement. This guy is already the best heavyweight in the world. But there seems to be no way of forcing either of the Klitschko brothers to actually face him. The same goes for Fury. I think if the Klitschko pair wont take them on then Wilder and Fury should face each other iin the States in a huge fight. I would consider the winner of that the de facto heavyweight champion and given how many various titles there are these days the could easily promote it for one.

in fairness to you, your spelling and grammer is brilliant for a pikey

That's "are brilliant"

So I must be a traveller to think Fury has a chance again Wladimir Klitschko? People on here need a reality check about the Klitschko pair.

captain carrantuohil wrote:Wasting your time, chaps. No oxygen for the microbe, please.

He doesnt have the moronic charm of waingro nor the admirable if misguided grit of d4 nor the eloquence of spring. Even gordy is superior. Heed the captain

I notice that he won't respond to fact that Wlad's last three oponents were of significant size and all had records as credible than any of the three he keeps naming. Their time may come, but they still have to learn their craft first.

The reality is that until either one steps in the ring with one of the brothers we don't know how they will fair. Everyone can have there opinion on how they think they stand up to them but there is simply no way of knowing until they fight one another...

However to say some of the stuff you have is completely wrong. What evidence suggests that either brother has avoided Price, Fury or Wilder. In numerous interviews Price & Fury have both stated that they still considered themselves 12 months away from a showdown with either brother. That has come from there own mouths. Fury decided to work his way into contention by climbing the rankings and is one or two fights away from a mandatory position.

Wladamir stated last year he felt Price could have been ready for a showdown with him Autumn this year. However that went out of the window when Price was taken out by Thompson. Nothing Wlad could have done about that.

Wilder was on no ones radar until his last two performances. He had been spoken of as a prospect but had stayed in America knocking out tomato cans and hadn't even made any noise about a fight with either brother. He has recently made the limelight and is now on the radar in terms of bringing something to the table and he has started to make some noise about a fight himself.

Yet to say either brother has avoided them is complete nonsense. The last 12 months has seen all 3 of the 'prospects' being asked if they wanted either Wlad or Vitali and while they admitted they did, all 3 stated they felt they were still a few fights away from being ready.

As for the brothers themselves, I am one of their biggest critics in the way they go about things but you cannot argue that they have fought everyone they potentially could. Yes they have had some awful defences of their titles recently but they like every other boxer out there has to have mandatory title defences. The fact of the matter is the division lacks depth...we have a few people out there bringing back some entertainment, hype etc and it is up to these to force the fights now. Fury needs to stop talking and actually get in the ring...he was offered Haye (he said no he wasn't part of the route)...he said his plan is the IBF route...yet he could be fighting Chisora in July (pretty sure he isn't part of the route to IBF no 1 contender?!

Wilder needs a couple more tests again legitimate Top 10 ranked heavyweights....as yet he has had a grand total of 0.

David Price needs to get redemption over Thompson and even then will want to fight once or twice more at least to get into a better position.

It is all well and good saying the brothers are avoiding them but the simple fact is that all 3 prospects would turn down the fight if offered tomorrow because none are in any position to demand any kind of decent slice of the revenue.

Ozzy, agree fully as it is almost exactly what I wrote (in fewer words) earlier in the chain

Yeh I did read yours afterwards bhb001.....hopefully a bit of repetition will make Winch see a little sense. Though I won't hold my breath!