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Post by Union Cane Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:04 pm

I'm surprised that there isn't more excitement around this, after all it is the biggest and some would say most competitive heavyweight title fight in years.

Ordinarily I would say Wlad walks it; carries Povetkin to the second half then dispatches him for KO number 52.

However, I have an inkling that this could be different.

Povetkin's management have paid a hell of a lot to put this fight on in Moscow. Wlad is the away fighter for once, and no doubt there will be several types of shenanigan going on to try to unsettle the champ beforehand.

There are alleged links between Povetkin's backers and the Russian Mafiya. Are judges Gimla, Feldman and Verbeke beyond their influence? There have been some crazy scorecards handed in recently, so who knows. "But surely it won't go to the cards" I hear you cry.

Well, Wlad is not an inside fighter, we all know this. Will referee Luis Pabon take a dimmer than usual view of any holding by the champion? Warnings perhaps? Docked points? Will they try all they can to rattle Wlad and throw him off his stride?

It is all conjecture of course, but they surely haven't put up $23,000,000 to see their boy get pancaked.

I could be totally wrong, but I feel Wlad will need a knockout to get a draw.
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Post by Boxtthis Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:07 pm

If Povetkin is to get any form of result then it's going to take the type of corruption that you talk about here. He's not winning this on boxing ability. I've watched Povetkin several times. He's just not very good.

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Post by Guest Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:08 pm

Klitschko vs Povetkin : Is a shock on the cards?

No, next thread please!!!!!!

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Post by Rowley Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:10 pm

To be honest union, as you have alluded to if this fight is anywhere other than Russia I would see it as nothing other than routine for Wlad. However as you have covered is not a country where one would rule out shenanigans. Could make things interesting though because Wlad is not a stupid guy and so is probably smart enough to know not to leave the rounds close enough to leave any doubt or coast once he gets himself in front. Personally I think he realises the magnitude of this fight in underlining his credentials as the best of his generation (obvious issue around his brother aside) and I personally do not see him leaving anything to chance. My own view is he will get Povetkin out of there any time after the half way stage.

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Post by catchweight Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:14 pm

Considering how his previous defining unification fights went I would be shocked if this wasnt a stinker of a UD.

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Post by Guest Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:16 pm

catchweight wrote:Considering how most of his previous fights went I would be shocked if this wasnt a stinker of a UD.
Fixed that for you fella

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Post by Union Cane Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:21 pm

I wonder if there are any other fighters with over 50 KO wins that have a reputation for stinkery UDs?

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Post by milkyboy Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:27 pm

It's because his ko'ds are stinky too Very Happy

Cakewalk for wlad, wherever its held. At least it's the main fight out there on paper, which in itself is commendable.

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Post by Guest Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:28 pm

He doesn't have 50 KO wins, he has a number of stoppage wins. The manner in which he's achieved some of these have unfortunately tended to be less that spectacular at times and his safety first approach even when opposition have been in trouble has led to (in some) a rise in frustration with him.

Can't recall his opponent but remember him having a guy at his mercy on the ropes and yet he was still pumping out the jab and straight right when a body shot, hook or uppercut would have been a welcome break from the tedium.

Rowley says he admires him but doesn't get excited watching him fight which I think about sums him up. I can't imagine people running red lights to get home for the start of a Wlad fight.

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Post by Mr Bounce Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:29 pm

I see Wlad making a statement and going for the early KO.








Just joshing. Boring late KO or UD. Or perhaps a controversial decision as Union Cane suggests...

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Post by STC Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:29 pm

If Povetkin is in shape then he gives Wlad a good fight I think. He has no excuse not to be in shape when you consider he's been preparing for this fight since 2007.

If he can give Wlad a fight and take him the distance, which is not inconceivable, then the score cards may be very interesting for reasons that have already been mentioned.
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Post by Guest Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:30 pm

STC wrote:If Povetkin is in shape then he gives Wlad a good fight I think. He has no excuse not to be in shape when you consider he's been preparing for this fight since 2007.

If he can give Wlad a fight and take him the distance, which is not inconceivable, then the score cards may be very interesting for reasons that have already been mentioned.
At least when he loses he can say he over-trained.

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Post by Il Gialloblu Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:49 pm

Not sure why Wlad should be worried about it being in Moscow, seeing as he's a giant Russian.  (c) Gordy
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Post by Champagne_Socialist Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:57 pm

Some people say Wlad ducks hard fights and takes on easy fights but he has fought every single challenge out there and won with ease. I think this is his 4th unification fight and this fight is against an unbeaten HW WBA reg champ who is also an olympic gold medalist.


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Post by Hammersmith harrier Mon 30 Sep 2013, 4:02 pm

Povetkin is the best available opponent but he's still barely above average and I see no relevance what being a gold medalist has.

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Post by STC Mon 30 Sep 2013, 4:07 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Some people say Wlad ducks hard fights and takes on easy fights but he has fought every single challenge out there and won with ease. I think this is his 4th unification fight and this fight is against an unbeaten HW WBA reg champ who is also an olympic gold medalist.

Sorry to be pedantic but technically this isn't a unification fight.
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Post by mobilemaster8 Mon 30 Sep 2013, 4:14 pm

Jab jab jab jab right hand jab right hand jab jab jab right hand right hook right hand jab jab tight hand goodnight povetkin 4 rounds max.

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Post by Guest Mon 30 Sep 2013, 4:17 pm

mobilemaster8 wrote:Jab jab jab jab right hand jab right hand jab jab jab right hand right hook right hand jab jab tight hand goodnight povetkin 4 rounds max.
It this some new kind of "lull him into a false sense of security then w*nk him into submission" ploy from Wlad?

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Post by Union Cane Mon 30 Sep 2013, 4:20 pm

Wlad will be looking to add a third linear gold medal to his collection.

(As we know, Joe Mesi has Wlad's medal from 1996 but Wlad has captured Audley's 2000 gold as well as Andrew Maynard's LHW medal from Seoul 1988)
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Post by Guest Mon 30 Sep 2013, 4:24 pm

Union Cane wrote:Wlad will be looking to add a third linear gold medal to his collection.

(As we know, Joe Mesi has Wlad's medal from 1996 but Wlad has captured Audley's 2000 gold as well as Andrew Maynard's LHW medal from Seoul 1988)
Shut up....does anyone know the result of the Haye/Fury fight at the weekend? Can't see to find any reports in the press and feel certain someone would have mentioned it on here.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Mon 30 Sep 2013, 5:07 pm

Povetkin will lose

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Post by BoxingFan88 Mon 30 Sep 2013, 6:35 pm

I'm very much looking forward to it, but I think Povetkin is too small.

Going to be rooting for the underdog though!

Great weekend of boxing, with Cotto, the Matchroom card and Klitchsko.

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Post by compelling and rich Mon 30 Sep 2013, 6:51 pm

a big good un beats a average little un

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Post by kingraf Mon 30 Sep 2013, 6:54 pm

Thought Povetkin was st the ideal weight for speed and power and movement, or something like that
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Post by DavidBlunkettsuppercut Mon 30 Sep 2013, 7:08 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
mobilemaster8 wrote:Jab jab jab jab right hand jab right hand jab jab jab right hand right hook right hand jab jab tight hand goodnight povetkin 4 rounds max.
It this some new kind of "lull him into a false sense of security then w*nk him into submission" ploy from Wlad?

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Mon 30 Sep 2013, 10:35 pm

kingraf wrote:Thought Povetkin was st the ideal weight for speed and power and movement, or something like that
If you're referring to the 200-220 pound generalisation then maybe he is, but he's also a completely inferior athlete and talent. There are guys in the local pub between 200 and 220, the fact they'd lose to Wlad doesn't make the generalisation any less/more accurate.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Mon 30 Sep 2013, 10:42 pm

kingraf wrote:Thought Povetkin was st the ideal weight for speed and power and movement, or something like that
Only if you actually possess such things, a 220lb Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Liston and Holmes are better heavyweights than the 250lb Klitschkos.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Mon 30 Sep 2013, 11:02 pm

They do want to rile Wlad: http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/latest/news/alexander-povetkin-enlists-help-of-maniac-dereck-chisora-for-wladimir-klitschko-fight

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Post by bhb001 Tue 01 Oct 2013, 8:10 am

Cheers John Wayne. That was really funny and shows some desperation to get any sort of edge. Will make it interesting!!

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Post by seanmichaels Tue 01 Oct 2013, 9:15 am

Chisora is brilliant. They may not be great boxers but Haye, Fury and Chisora have certainly spiced things up. If it is a cr@p division it may as well be a funny cr@p division.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 01 Oct 2013, 1:38 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Some people say Wlad ducks hard fights and takes on easy fights but he has fought every single challenge out there and won with ease. I think this is his 4th unification fight and this fight is against an unbeaten HW WBA reg champ who is also an olympic gold medalist.

Who?

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Post by catchweight Wed 02 Oct 2013, 2:38 pm

kingraf wrote:Thought Povetkin was st the ideal weight for speed and power and movement, or something like that
Yeah but Povetkin is rubbish

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Post by KingMonkey Wed 02 Oct 2013, 6:17 pm

Despite all his achievements, and there are plenty, I still struggle to rate Wlad in a p4p top ten. He's there on his record but its such a shame that someone of Povetkin's standard is the best challenger there is. I mean, has Wlad ever thrown a body shot?
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Post by catchweight Wed 02 Oct 2013, 6:38 pm

I dont think either Klitschko is worthy of being considered top ten. They get by by doing the bare basics well and being professional but the division they are in is awful and being decent athletes with solid fundamentals is all it requires.

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Post by J.Benson II Wed 02 Oct 2013, 8:39 pm

Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.

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Post by Lance Wed 02 Oct 2013, 8:44 pm

Id love to believe there was an upset, or at least a very competitive fight here. But unfortunately Povetkins best days are long behind him. Injuries have really taken there toll on him and hes gone backwards instead of forwards over the last 5 years. He has been matched well in the hope that he could get back to his best, but its not going to happen

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Post by catchweight Wed 02 Oct 2013, 9:07 pm

J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.

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Post by J.Benson II Wed 02 Oct 2013, 10:10 pm

catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.

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Post by catchweight Wed 02 Oct 2013, 10:20 pm

J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.
If you go off statistics and numbers then Klitschko will rank up there. Hes been around forever now, hasnt lost in donkeys years, picked up most of the titles and so on but is he actually one of the best fighters in the world or is he just routinely beating alot of rubbish? I think the latter. I had a look at a couple of lists there and hes above Pacquaio, Rigondeaux, Donaire and fighters like these. Not a chance hes a better boxer than those fighters. Even someone like Danny Garcia has beaten better opponents.

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Post by J.Benson II Wed 02 Oct 2013, 10:37 pm

catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.
If you go off statistics and numbers then Klitschko will rank up there. Hes been around forever now, hasnt lost in donkeys years, picked up most of the titles and so on but is he actually one of the best fighters in the world or is he just routinely beating alot of rubbish? I think the latter. I had a look at a couple of lists there and hes above Pacquaio, Rigondeaux, Donaire and fighters like these. Not a chance hes a better boxer than those fighters. Even someone like Danny Garcia has beaten better opponents.
I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Pacquaio, Rigondeaux or Donaire either in terms of pure boxing ability. However, its always going to be hard for a guy who's 6'7ft, 250lbs to look as graceful and slick as a guy who is 5'7ft, 140lbs - hence the reason why P4P lists are tosh.

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Post by kingraf Wed 02 Oct 2013, 10:41 pm

Only one way to find out: put him in the ring with them...

Personally I believe a HW champ deserves a spot in the pfp10 at all times, for the simple fact that realistically, he is the best boxer on earth!
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Post by J.Benson II Wed 02 Oct 2013, 10:58 pm

kingraf wrote:Only one way to find out: put him in the ring with them...

Personally I believe a HW champ deserves a spot in the pfp10 at all times, for the simple fact that realistically, he is the best boxer on earth!
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Yep. That's the way I see it too. The best fighter on the planet is surely the one who can beat all others in a head to head match, not the one who tops some mythical P4P list.


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Post by catchweight Wed 02 Oct 2013, 11:07 pm

Well either you have him number 1 then or you dont have him at all in my view. Its illogical to say he should be in the top ten list because he beats everyone else and then rank him at 4.

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Post by catchweight Wed 02 Oct 2013, 11:11 pm

J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.
If you go off statistics and numbers then Klitschko will rank up there. Hes been around forever now, hasnt lost in donkeys years, picked up most of the titles and so on but is he actually one of the best fighters in the world or is he just routinely beating alot of rubbish? I think the latter. I had a look at a couple of lists there and hes above Pacquaio, Rigondeaux, Donaire and fighters like these. Not a chance hes a better boxer than those fighters. Even someone like Danny Garcia has beaten better opponents.
I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Pacquaio, Rigondeaux or Donaire either in terms of pure boxing ability. However, its always going to be hard for a guy who's 6'7ft, 250lbs to look as graceful and slick as a guy who is 5'7ft, 140lbs - hence the reason why P4P lists are tosh.
Its not even to do with being quick or graceful. But his style consists of utilising two basic punches, a totally predictable style and a one paced strategy. Even taking away the physical element of not being as mobile or as quick as a smaller fighter, he isnt as talented.

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Post by J.Benson II Wed 02 Oct 2013, 11:43 pm

catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.
If you go off statistics and numbers then Klitschko will rank up there. Hes been around forever now, hasnt lost in donkeys years, picked up most of the titles and so on but is he actually one of the best fighters in the world or is he just routinely beating alot of rubbish? I think the latter. I had a look at a couple of lists there and hes above Pacquaio, Rigondeaux, Donaire and fighters like these. Not a chance hes a better boxer than those fighters. Even someone like Danny Garcia has beaten better opponents.
I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Pacquaio, Rigondeaux or Donaire either in terms of pure boxing ability. However, its always going to be hard for a guy who's 6'7ft, 250lbs to look as graceful and slick as a guy who is 5'7ft, 140lbs - hence the reason why P4P lists are tosh.
Its not even to do with being quick or graceful. But his style consists of utilising two basic punches, a totally predictable style and a one paced strategy. Even taking away the physical element of not being as mobile or as quick as a smaller fighter, he isnt as talented.
That's the point though. If someone like Rigondeaux was a foot taller and 100lbs heavier, the added size might make him sluggish to the point of being totally immobile and his boxing talent would look far more ordinary.

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Post by catchweight Wed 02 Oct 2013, 11:54 pm

J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.
If you go off statistics and numbers then Klitschko will rank up there. Hes been around forever now, hasnt lost in donkeys years, picked up most of the titles and so on but is he actually one of the best fighters in the world or is he just routinely beating alot of rubbish? I think the latter. I had a look at a couple of lists there and hes above Pacquaio, Rigondeaux, Donaire and fighters like these. Not a chance hes a better boxer than those fighters. Even someone like Danny Garcia has beaten better opponents.
I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Pacquaio, Rigondeaux or Donaire either in terms of pure boxing ability. However, its always going to be hard for a guy who's 6'7ft, 250lbs to look as graceful and slick as a guy who is 5'7ft, 140lbs - hence the reason why P4P lists are tosh.
Its not even to do with being quick or graceful. But his style consists of utilising two basic punches, a totally predictable style and a one paced strategy. Even taking away the physical element of not being as mobile or as quick as a smaller fighter, he isnt as talented.
That's the point though. If someone like Rigondeaux was a foot taller and 100lbs heavier, the added size might make him sluggish to the point of being totally immobile and his boxing talent would look far more ordinary.
I doubt he would be as limited as Wlad is. Klitschkos competition make his limited boxing look alot better than it is. In the 80s or 90s he would be exposed I think.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu 03 Oct 2013, 12:15 am

J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.
If you go off statistics and numbers then Klitschko will rank up there. Hes been around forever now, hasnt lost in donkeys years, picked up most of the titles and so on but is he actually one of the best fighters in the world or is he just routinely beating alot of rubbish? I think the latter. I had a look at a couple of lists there and hes above Pacquaio, Rigondeaux, Donaire and fighters like these. Not a chance hes a better boxer than those fighters. Even someone like Danny Garcia has beaten better opponents.
I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Pacquaio, Rigondeaux or Donaire either in terms of pure boxing ability. However, its always going to be hard for a guy who's 6'7ft, 250lbs to look as graceful and slick as a guy who is 5'7ft, 140lbs - hence the reason why P4P lists are tosh.
Its not even to do with being quick or graceful. But his style consists of utilising two basic punches, a totally predictable style and a one paced strategy. Even taking away the physical element of not being as mobile or as quick as a smaller fighter, he isnt as talented.
That's the point though. If someone like Rigondeaux was a foot taller and 100lbs heavier, the added size might make him sluggish to the point of being totally immobile and his boxing talent would look far more ordinary.
You are right. It is very easy to say wlad is boring compared to danny garcia or manny pacquio but we must remember that wlad is 6ft 7 and 250lbs, no one that size is going to be bobbing and weaving and throwing upper cuts and fighting at a super fast pace. Manny pacquio i 5ft 6 and 145lbs so it is very easy for him to look very quick and throw loads of different punches every round.


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Post by catchweight Thu 03 Oct 2013, 12:25 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.
If you go off statistics and numbers then Klitschko will rank up there. Hes been around forever now, hasnt lost in donkeys years, picked up most of the titles and so on but is he actually one of the best fighters in the world or is he just routinely beating alot of rubbish? I think the latter. I had a look at a couple of lists there and hes above Pacquaio, Rigondeaux, Donaire and fighters like these. Not a chance hes a better boxer than those fighters. Even someone like Danny Garcia has beaten better opponents.
I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Pacquaio, Rigondeaux or Donaire either in terms of pure boxing ability. However, its always going to be hard for a guy who's 6'7ft, 250lbs to look as graceful and slick as a guy who is 5'7ft, 140lbs - hence the reason why P4P lists are tosh.
Its not even to do with being quick or graceful. But his style consists of utilising two basic punches, a totally predictable style and a one paced strategy. Even taking away the physical element of not being as mobile or as quick as a smaller fighter, he isnt as talented.
That's the point though. If someone like Rigondeaux was a foot taller and 100lbs heavier, the added size might make him sluggish to the point of being totally immobile and his boxing talent would look far more ordinary.
You are right. It is very easy to say wlad is boring compared to danny garcia or manny pacquio but we must remember that wlad is 6ft 7 and 250lbs, no one that size is going to be bobbing and weaving and throwing upper cuts and fighting at a super fast pace. Manny pacquio i 5ft 6 and 145lbs so it is very easy for him to look very quick and throw loads of different punches every round.

Are you saying that a boxer of Wlads size is only capable of throwing a jab and a right cross? Bowe or Lewis were similarly sized and could through a variety of punches and combinations. They could fight well on the outside or the inside. Wlad is a limited fighter and its not because of his size.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu 03 Oct 2013, 12:35 am

catchweight wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
catchweight wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:Wlad isn't a "decent" athlete. He's a world-class one.
Whether he makes it in one's mythical P4P list is irrelevant, given that P4P lists are complete nonsensical tosh anyway.
I suppose it comes down to definition of athlete. Wlad looks in great condition but he fights one paced and rigid. He keeps in shape whic his more than the average  heavyweight these days and for his size hes mobile enough compared to some of the ungainly giants out there. I agree you with on lists but if you were to ask me is Wlad one of the top ten fighters in the wold then no, far from it for me.
Even if one were to take those ridiculous P4P lists seriously, he usually still makes the top 10 on most compiled lists.
If you go off statistics and numbers then Klitschko will rank up there. Hes been around forever now, hasnt lost in donkeys years, picked up most of the titles and so on but is he actually one of the best fighters in the world or is he just routinely beating alot of rubbish? I think the latter. I had a look at a couple of lists there and hes above Pacquaio, Rigondeaux, Donaire and fighters like these. Not a chance hes a better boxer than those fighters. Even someone like Danny Garcia has beaten better opponents.
I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Pacquaio, Rigondeaux or Donaire either in terms of pure boxing ability. However, its always going to be hard for a guy who's 6'7ft, 250lbs to look as graceful and slick as a guy who is 5'7ft, 140lbs - hence the reason why P4P lists are tosh.
Its not even to do with being quick or graceful. But his style consists of utilising two basic punches, a totally predictable style and a one paced strategy. Even taking away the physical element of not being as mobile or as quick as a smaller fighter, he isnt as talented.
That's the point though. If someone like Rigondeaux was a foot taller and 100lbs heavier, the added size might make him sluggish to the point of being totally immobile and his boxing talent would look far more ordinary.
You are right. It is very easy to say wlad is boring compared to danny garcia or manny pacquio but we must remember that wlad is 6ft 7 and 250lbs, no one that size is going to be bobbing and weaving and throwing upper cuts and fighting at a super fast pace. Manny pacquio i 5ft 6 and 145lbs so it is very easy for him to look very quick and throw loads of different punches every round.

Are you saying that a boxer of Wlads size is only capable of throwing a jab and a right cross? Bowe or Lewis were similarly sized and could through a variety of punches and combinations. They could fight well on the outside or the inside. Wlad is a limited fighter and its not because of his size.
Wlad also throws the left hook, he knocked out ray austin with it, it was devestating;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF8dcFvMEJs

Pretty sure people labelled Lennox Lewis as a boring fighter as well for the same reasons wlad is labelled a boring fighter i.e slow and lacks a variety of punches etc.

Wlad is never going to be an exciting fighter who bobs and weaves and throws hundreds of punches and upper cuts and 8 punch combos because that is not his style. His style is suited to his height and weight and strengths which is to use his reach and power to win fights.

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Post by catchweight Thu 03 Oct 2013, 12:40 am

Lewis was pretty boring but he had far more to his game than Wlad does. Wlad plays to his strengths but hes a limited heavyweight in a talentless division.

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