Fury pulls out of purse bids.

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The purse bid for the proposed European Heavyweight title fight between undefeated champion Kubrat Pulev and challenger Tyson Fury has been cancelled today. According to German media, Fury has given up the chance to fight Pulev for the title in a fight that also doubled up as an IBF final eliminator.

Pulev has not fought since September and it remains to be seen whether he will now become mandatory to IBF champion Wladimir Klitschko or have to go through another eliminator.

Rumours persist that Fury is close to agreeing a September fight with British rival, and former WBA heavyweight champion, David Haye. In a recent interview, Kalle Sauerland, promoter of Pulev, called his man one of the most avoided fighters in the world.

Cruiserweight is a Poopie division though. Haye was second to Holyfield after beating Enzo of all people. Heavy isnt great but even at its lowest ebb, the Heavies were superior to the Cruisers.

I reckon that Haye - Fury is a likely fight, and an easy one for Haye at that. As stated it is a marketing man's dream - the brash, hard hitting former champ against the massive young upstart.

The press conferences will provide golden viewing, the weigh in will likely be a bit of a giggle for all the wrong reasons and the fight itself probably won't past 4 rounds. Haye will beat a ranked contender putting him in line for Vitali or Vitali's title should he retire instead. All money in the bank.

The only way Haye doesn't win this is if he slips and headbutts the referee's watch, suffering a bad cut & meaning he can't continue.

Mr Bounce wrote:The only way Haye doesn't win this is if he slips and headbutts the referee's watch, suffering a bad cut & meaning he can't continue.

Even then if it happened in the first 3 rounds it'd be a NC and if after that it's a serious punt to think Fury would be ahead on the scorecards.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Diggers wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Diggers wrote:All this Fury knocking is fine and some of it is warranted, however one thing he most definitely has on his side is time. He isn't 25 till August, a mere baby in heavyweight terms.
The simple fact is he can afford to pick his moment, he has only been a pro for 4-5 years, it took 5 years for Haye to get in the ring with Mormeck and that was about his first decent opponent apart from Thomson who beat him. So its not like he is lagging far behind the way Hayes career progressed at the same stage, plus Haye was older.

Fury has just ducked out of purse bids for his 22nd fight - at the same career stage Haye had unified an entire division which, in terms of time, took him 5.25 yrs. Whereas 4.5 years into Fury's career he's actively avoiding fights that only get him to contender status. Ridiculous comparison.

So 4.5 years into Hayes career who had he beat ?

Without checking the exact dates I'd guess Fragomenni in the 3rd or 4th defence of his EBU title - a vastly superior achievement to anything Fury has accomplished. His next fight at the weight was against the divisional #1 and the following fight a unification.

Pulev on the other hand is the EBU champ at HW, so equivalent to Fragomenni, and Fury has just pulled out of fighting him.

Vastly superior, really ? The fact is you don't know who Fury will fight next, at a similar stage to Fury Haye had done not much at all, he stepped up in one fight when he thought he was ready. He wasn't rolling a constant line of great boxers to get his shot.
You are happy to call other people haters, fact is you just hate Fury which is fine. It's just pathetic and hypocritical when you name call others as haters who are actually just talking ability.

Fury has ability, being a professional boxer, but he's laughable when it comes to comparing him with virtually any heavyweight in history thats held any sort of belt.

Diggers wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Diggers wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Diggers wrote:All this Fury knocking is fine and some of it is warranted, however one thing he most definitely has on his side is time. He isn't 25 till August, a mere baby in heavyweight terms.
The simple fact is he can afford to pick his moment, he has only been a pro for 4-5 years, it took 5 years for Haye to get in the ring with Mormeck and that was about his first decent opponent apart from Thomson who beat him. So its not like he is lagging far behind the way Hayes career progressed at the same stage, plus Haye was older.

Fury has just ducked out of purse bids for his 22nd fight - at the same career stage Haye had unified an entire division which, in terms of time, took him 5.25 yrs. Whereas 4.5 years into Fury's career he's actively avoiding fights that only get him to contender status. Ridiculous comparison.

So 4.5 years into Hayes career who had he beat ?

Without checking the exact dates I'd guess Fragomenni in the 3rd or 4th defence of his EBU title - a vastly superior achievement to anything Fury has accomplished. His next fight at the weight was against the divisional #1 and the following fight a unification.

Pulev on the other hand is the EBU champ at HW, so equivalent to Fragomenni, and Fury has just pulled out of fighting him.

Vastly superior, really ? The fact is you don't know who Fury will fight next, at a similar stage to Fury Haye had done not much at all, he stepped up in one fight when he thought he was ready. He wasn't rolling a constant line of great boxers to get his shot.
You are happy to call other people haters, fact is you just hate Fury which is fine. It's just pathetic and hypocritical when you name call others as haters who are actually just talking ability.

I think AZ's attitude causes many people to dislike Fury on this board. AZ costantly talks about Fury as if he is the greatest HW boxer ever and it annoys people so much that they want him to lose or they want to attack fury's record to prove AZ wrong.

In my opinion and being neutral I do think that Fury's career has stagnated and is not where it should be. For the best part of 3 years Fury's fights have been shown live on free to air tv (channel 5), he is well known in boxing circles and the general public yet he seems content fighting 'easy' opponents. He has so much financial help and support that he really should be challenging for titles rather than ducking fights to become a mandatory.

Diggers wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Diggers wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Diggers wrote:All this Fury knocking is fine and some of it is warranted, however one thing he most definitely has on his side is time. He isn't 25 till August, a mere baby in heavyweight terms.
The simple fact is he can afford to pick his moment, he has only been a pro for 4-5 years, it took 5 years for Haye to get in the ring with Mormeck and that was about his first decent opponent apart from Thomson who beat him. So its not like he is lagging far behind the way Hayes career progressed at the same stage, plus Haye was older.

Fury has just ducked out of purse bids for his 22nd fight - at the same career stage Haye had unified an entire division which, in terms of time, took him 5.25 yrs. Whereas 4.5 years into Fury's career he's actively avoiding fights that only get him to contender status. Ridiculous comparison.

So 4.5 years into Hayes career who had he beat ?

Without checking the exact dates I'd guess Fragomenni in the 3rd or 4th defence of his EBU title - a vastly superior achievement to anything Fury has accomplished. His next fight at the weight was against the divisional #1 and the following fight a unification.

Pulev on the other hand is the EBU champ at HW, so equivalent to Fragomenni, and Fury has just pulled out of fighting him.

Vastly superior, really ? The fact is you don't know who Fury will fight next, at a similar stage to Fury Haye had done not much at all, he stepped up in one fight when he thought he was ready. He wasn't rolling a constant line of great boxers to get his shot.
You are happy to call other people haters, fact is you just hate Fury which is fine. It's just pathetic and hypocritical when you name call others as haters who are actually just talking ability.

The difference is a mere 6 months in time and nothing in fight count. Given Fury’s record to date it’s hardly a leap to suggest in those 6 months Fury will have done the square root of FA to narrow the difference so, no, I’m not ‘just a hater’ I am looking at his career objectively and analysing it against that of Haye’s accordingly.

Fury has just pulled out of a fight for #1 contender status therefore it’s practically impossible for him to even challenge for a World title in his next fight (within 6 months) let alone win and unify.

Oh, and C_S is right regarding Az and his impact on the board. Bit like how D4 made many a sane and reasonable poster go off Manny.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:He's better than Price

Just for a laugh, based on......??

Their dancing ability. Price is the better breakdancer.

In terms of chin, Price makes Fury look like the second coming of Chuvalo. A slight jab near the chin will send Price down faster than a hooker punting for a bj.

I think AZ's attitude causes many people to dislike Fury on this board. AZ costantly talks about Fury as if he is the greatest HW boxer ever and it annoys people so much that they want him to lose or they want to attack fury's record to prove AZ wrong.

In my opinion and being neutral I do think that Fury's career has stagnated and is not where it should be. For the best part of 3 years Fury's fights have been shown live on free to air tv (channel 5), he is well known in boxing circles and the general public yet he seems content fighting 'easy' opponents. He has so much financial help and support that he really should be challenging for titles rather than ducking fights to become a mandatory.

It's rubbish like this that makes me question the age of people who post here. The simple fact is that the Fury hate was in full flow long before I joined in. Calling him a "pikey", gypo, "tarmacer" and all manner of disgusting adjectives were thrown about. Fun was made out of him. Whenever he said anything that all other boxers say he was singled out for ridicule by most here.

But I know that to you making fun in those terms is all part of banter. So banter away.

And I have never said Fury was anywhere near the greatest ever. I have said he is a top 10 raked HW. Better than Price by miles seeing as how fragile the Wedgwood chin one is.

People want him to fight Haye because they want him to lose. Personally I reckon he needs at least another year before he thinks of going for the division's big boys. But many will call it ducking if he and his team decides to develop him further.

Regarding the Price "duck". Does anyone seriously think that C5 would allow the fight to be shown on Sky? Price is the one who should have gone to C5 to elevate himself to the public. I mean Sky thought so highly of him they dropped him quickly. I reckon the saw him flattened by a stiff breeze and let him go.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Oh, and C_S is right regarding Az and his impact on the board. Bit like how D4 made many a sane and reasonable poster go off Manny.

It just shows how stupid some people are then.

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Oh, and C_S is right regarding Az and his impact on the board. Bit like how D4 made many a sane and reasonable poster go off Manny.

It just shows how stupid some people are then.

But you seem to blindly defend all of Fury's actions. You talk about his win over Kevin Johnson as if he beat Wladimir Klitschko.

Fury doesnt really have either the talent or the resume to match his talk. He is stirs the pot but fans understandably call bs on him where they see it. He is in a somewhat awkward position because hes kind of boxed his way as high up the rankings as he can go really before he meets someone that poses a serious threat. He can continue to box low risk opponent to tread water but he runs the risk of losing momentum and interest from fans if he does that. Alternatively he can take on challenging opponent but faces a big danger in losing. Haye offers ample financial reward for that risk at least. The temptation for the fight must be strong as its would be so financially rewarding and a loss would not be seen as overly damaging.

Looking around the division, I think Adamek, Hellenius and Banks would also be decent winnable fight for him to target against opponents that carry respectable status, would provide a challenge that offers genuine experience and should be financially rewarding.

Not so sure manos - I see Banks & Helenius easily KO'ing him whereas Adamek would have a glorified sparring session & run rings round him, provided Tyson doesn't do a "Cunningham" and punch him out illegally...

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Oh, and C_S is right regarding Az and his impact on the board. Bit like how D4 made many a sane and reasonable poster go off Manny.

It just shows how stupid some people are then.

But you seem to blindly defend all of Fury's actions. You talk about his win over Kevin Johnson as if he beat Wladimir Klitschko.

Give me one example where I have blindly defended his actions which you do not approve of.

Your last point is plain stupid as usual. He beat Johnson who had recently challenged for the world title. By any accounts it was a good win. People try to put that win down and claim Johnson didn't throw any punches. Perhaps, just perhaps Fury didn't allow Johnson to do what he wanted to do.

Had the chinny Price outboxed Johnson in the same manner people would have ejaculated on here. If Thompson had knocked out Fury as opposed to Price in the same manner all and sundry would have written Fury off and no manner of measured debate would have happened.

You are just a blind hater and dare I say incredibly ignorant.

Mr Bounce wrote:Not so sure manos - I see Banks & Helenius easily KO'ing him whereas Adamek would have a glorified sparring session & run rings round him, provided Tyson doesn't do a "Cunningham" and punch him out illegally...

From what Ive seen of Helenius and Adamek recently, theyve looked like they are past it. Helenius has looked awful since hes come back from injury. Fury looked alot better against Johnson than Helenius did against Sprott. I think Helenius injury problems have really hurt him. He looks to have lost alot of power and has become rather one handed.

Adamek scraped by Cunningham, hes getting old and has bulked up and lost alot of his mobility. He isnt a particularly big puncher either which suits Fury. I could see Fury huffing and puffing his way to a decision there by using his bulk.

Banks just isnt that good for me. Again I could see Fury huffing and puffing his way to a win there. I think Banks is rematching Mitchell though which he may not win.

He could lose to these guys as well of course, but I cant say they have been impressing me too much lately and I think Fury would have a reasonable chance of winning.

So what if people dont like Fury azania? Everyone has boxers they like and dislike. You dont miss an opportunity to stick it to Price whos biggest crime seems to be being a fairly decent chap with a weak chin.

No problem in not liking him at all. There are some boxers I don't like also. But lets keep things real and in perspective. Rushing him into big fights is ridiculous. He is not ready for Haye but should take it as its a win win fight for him. He is expected to lose and will lose. He loses nothing unless he's flattened in one round. If he puts up a good show his status will rise.

But the bigoted hate is OTT.

azania wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Oh, and C_S is right regarding Az and his impact on the board. Bit like how D4 made many a sane and reasonable poster go off Manny.

It just shows how stupid some people are then.

But you seem to blindly defend all of Fury's actions. You talk about his win over Kevin Johnson as if he beat Wladimir Klitschko.

Give me one example where I have blindly defended his actions which you do not approve of.

Your last point is plain stupid as usual. He beat Johnson who had recently challenged for the world title. By any accounts it was a good win. People try to put that win down and claim Johnson didn't throw any punches. Perhaps, just perhaps Fury didn't allow Johnson to do what he wanted to do.

Had the chinny Price outboxed Johnson in the same manner people would have ejaculated on here. If Thompson had knocked out Fury as opposed to Price in the same manner all and sundry would have written Fury off and no manner of measured debate would have happened.

You are just a blind hater and dare I say incredibly ignorant.

Yes it was a good performance by Fury but it was against a very weak opponent in Johnson. However you keep trying to build Johnson up and elevate him as this world level fighter when he is a domestic level fighter at best. Yes he had a world title shot about 4 years ago but that means nothing, Pianetta has had a world title fight but he is a domestic level/european fighter at best.

AZ you seem intent on exaggerating Fury's achievements and that has created a knock on effect of other posters belittling Fury.

Also why do you constantly compare Fury to Price? If anyone talks about Fury you compare him to price. People discuss Fury getting knocked down by Cunningham and you start talking about Price having a weaker chin being KO'd by Thompson.

azania wrote:No problem in not liking him at all. There are some boxers I don't like also. But lets keep things real and in perspective. Rushing him into big fights is ridiculous. He is not ready for Haye but should take it as its a win win fight for him. He is expected to lose and will lose. He loses nothing unless he's flattened in one round. If he puts up a good show his status will rise.

But the bigoted hate is OTT.

As far as I can see, the majority of the dilike he receives is from being a loudmouth who lacks the talent and record to back up half the nonsense he spouts. Its not hard to see why so many people dislike him.

As you say yourself, he is a top ten ranked heavyweight - higher in all the sanctioning bodies, so he should really be qualified for a genuine top ranked fight in that respect.

Most people understand what he is doing is largely in the name of self promotion, however they also realise its largely bs which Im sure you do too.

It seems though, that people calling Fury out on his bs, or disliking him for it, seems to rile you just as much as the bs Fury spouts rile others.

Johnson was a world level fighter. He fought tfor the world title not long before. He wasn't some fat 41 year old has been here for a payday. His most recent opponent lost a very narrow and debateable decision against Adamek who is also a world level fighter. Fury dealt with him. Those wins are good wins yet haters play it down. Is it an exaggeration to call them good wins?

People say Fury ducked Price and a comparison is there for all to see. Similarly before they fought there were comparisons between Groves and DeGale and each were linked to the other in all threads.

But the reality was that Price was offerred the fight and he turned it down. Later Maloney won purse bids for the fight. TV got in the way. Do you think C5 would have allowed Fury to fight anywhere other than C5?

SO what if Fury got Knocked Down. Better boxers have been decked. The objective is to win. Fury got up and won. Great win. Play it down all you want. Build up the hate. But all you haters will tune in to watch Fury and that will earn him more money and make him happy.

Who are the fools?

There are many loudmouths who lack talent yet do not get the abuse he gets.

He wants a reaction and he's got one. Clever guy regardless of what people say. I like him. I find him hilarious and don't take him seriously. Wish he had a better singing voice.

I find him entertaining because you genuinely don't know what's going to happen! There's been the punching himself, going southpaw against Rogan, getting floored against that awful Canadian & Cunningham, singing in the ring (very badly...), the pre=fight bs he spouts and the calling out of anyone & everyone.

I for one would not be surprised if his next ring walk sees him enter the ring in the same manner as "Fan Man"...

Though, that said, his actual ability leaves a LOT to be desired!!

azania wrote:Johnson was a world level fighter. He fought tfor the world title not long before. He wasn't some fat 41 year old has been here for a payday. His most recent opponent lost a very narrow and debateable decision against Adamek who is also a world level fighter. Fury dealt with him. Those wins are good wins yet haters play it down. Is it an exaggeration to call them good wins?

In the literal sense Johnson was a world level fighter in 2009 but he was not a world level fighter in the literal sense in 2012 when he lost to Fury especially as he lost to the mighty Tor Hamer the fight before Fury.

So AZ you are saying that Johnson was a world level fighter when he faced fury because in the past he challenged for world title (a very simplistic and basic view) So is Mormeck and Pianetta world level fighters? What about Manuel Charr and derek chisora who nearly has as many losses as wins?

If you take Prizefighter seriously that is. If you do then you must rate Audley highly.

Johnson was one of the best US fighters. Probably the best at the time he fought Fury. Thompson was probably retired before he got the call from Price to beat him up.

Yes those guys are world level fighters. The HW scene is dire. Simple. If some chump like Price was touted as a world champ it shows the dire nature f the division.

Mr Bounce wrote:Though, that said, his actual ability leaves a LOT to be desired!!

Tell me which current young HW has any ability?

There is a young obese American HW called Ruiz who is allegedly very decent. Add Wilder and that is about it.

azania wrote:No problem in not liking him at all. There are some boxers I don't like also. But lets keep things real and in perspective. Rushing him into big fights is ridiculous. He is not ready for Haye but should take it as its a win win fight for him. He is expected to lose and will lose. He loses nothing unless he's flattened in one round. If he puts up a good show his status will rise.

But the bigoted hate is OTT.

Absolutely agree with this, but he keeps spouting nonsense that K2 are afraid of him and that nobody is brave enough to fight him. If he said I want to fight a few top twenty fighters first to hone my skills, I would applaud him. Instead he makes too much noise and then backs out. Mind you, I will say that the lad has surprised me in the past, so I honestly hope that he can go on to at least challenge for a world title.

azania wrote:If you take Prizefighter seriously that is. If you do then you must rate Audley highly.

Johnson was one of the best US fighters. Probably the best at the time he fought Fury. Thompson was probably retired before he got the call from Price to beat him up.

Yes those guys are world level fighters. The HW scene is dire. Simple. If some chump like Price was touted as a world champ it shows the dire nature f the division.

Again why do you always talk about Price when discussing Fury?

Johnson was not a wprld level fighter when he faced Fury or any point in his career. his best win is an old Sosonowski.

Look. When asked about K2, Price bottled it. Any boxer with ambition will big themselves up. You don't say you're not ready. I expect him to let his mouth run free when the name Haye is mentioned.

Boxing should have larger than life characters. It is the entertainment business with competition from many other sports. Being humble doesn;t pay the bills unless you have some serious talent like Manny.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

azania wrote:If you take Prizefighter seriously that is. If you do then you must rate Audley highly.

Johnson was one of the best US fighters. Probably the best at the time he fought Fury. Thompson was probably retired before he got the call from Price to beat him up.

Yes those guys are world level fighters. The HW scene is dire. Simple. If some chump like Price was touted as a world champ it shows the dire nature f the division.

Again why do you always talk about Price when discussing Fury?

Johnson was not a wprld level fighter when he faced Fury or any point in his career. his best win is an old Sosonowski.

No, I'm talking about Thompson and who was ranked 1 in USA.