Fury pulls out of purse bids.

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The purse bid for the proposed European Heavyweight title fight between undefeated champion Kubrat Pulev and challenger Tyson Fury has been cancelled today. According to German media, Fury has given up the chance to fight Pulev for the title in a fight that also doubled up as an IBF final eliminator.

Pulev has not fought since September and it remains to be seen whether he will now become mandatory to IBF champion Wladimir Klitschko or have to go through another eliminator.

Rumours persist that Fury is close to agreeing a September fight with British rival, and former WBA heavyweight champion, David Haye. In a recent interview, Kalle Sauerland, promoter of Pulev, called his man one of the most avoided fighters in the world.

seanmichaels wrote:Not sure I'd fancy going to watch a Fury fight at a football stadium. They love a drink and a tear up, and 10,000 of them in close proximity is something I'd be inclined to avoid. I'm not being racist but I think it is ok to generalise within reason about travellers.

I'd agree Sean, with 10,000 there it wouldn't take them long to pick you out of the crowd.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Don't disagree with any of that particularly, but it still doesn't mean it's not a duck.

It's saying, "I know I'm rubbish and will lose against my first stiff test, therefore I need to make sure whoever that test is offers me the biggest pay packet. Otherwise I just have to keep taking lower paid but easy win fights."

That's ducking, whether financially justified or not.

Incredible. Only on v2 can such rubbish be posted with any seriousness.

Another deliciously ironic comment from V2's contrarian hypocrite in chief there!

So he fights Haye instead of another east euro plumber for peanuts but Fury is still the one ducking.

Ok mate

When you factor in haye picking up a dodgy injury and now fury turning pulev down then it looks like theres a good chance the two camps could be looking at a deal. It makes sense.

Fury has ducked every challenge, bar Chisora thrown at him so far.

Evidence: the fact he took on Cunningham rather than anyone half decent. He still got put on the floor.

He called out the winner of Chisora vs Haye on Youtube, then ran for the hills when Haye said "alright, lets go - if not, stop using my name"

If he fights Haye, then I can't call him a ducker any more, but a heavyweight who by his own admission "will never fight the Klitschko's" and who has floundered around the top of the WBC's rankings facing poor opposition before deciding to "take another route" to a title - doesn't strike me as "fight all comers" as you're making out.

manos de piedra wrote:When you factor in haye picking up a dodgy injury and now fury turning pulev down then it looks like theres a good chance the two camps could be looking at a deal. It makes sense.

Yep, Whatever about Fury, Haye is only interested in fighting for the absolute maximum payday possible for him. I had bought into the idea of him earning another fight with a Kbot. But a Fury fight makes financial sense, low risk of defeat and gets him ranked in contender status. Fury gets his first million + payday.

Why did Price duck him then?

Ask Price. I haven't said Price didn't. Stop trying to deviate from the point. This is about Fury.

azania wrote:Why did Price duck him then?

Wasn't it Tyson who threw his belts in the bin?

hampo171 wrote:

azania wrote:Why did Price duck him then?

Wasn't it Tyson who threw his belts in the bin?

When have you ever seen Az let little things like facts and details get in the way of a good story...??

Just saw this on twitter, anyone any idea as to its authenticity? Frank Maloney seems to think a fight between Haye and Fury has been made.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FrankMaloney/status/341437878473203713

Fact is that fury didn't duck anyone. If anything Price ducked. Pity he didn't duck Thompson slap.

azania wrote:Fact is that fury didn't duck anyone.

http://www.wishfm.net/news/local/furys-people-refuse-price-fight-again/

Not a fact. Stop saying its a fact when it isn't you silly man.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/boxing/price-just-not-right-for-tyson-681529

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/boxing/article3313764.ece

He's already said "I'll never fight a Klitschko" despite working his way up the list. Why would he say that?

Oh, and Price "ducked" Fury when offered £100,000. Utter joke payday, as you said yourself Az "chump change" so stop being hypocritical.

If its anyone but Haye its a duck

It may be Haye, but if its not official so we can't be certain so lets wait to see if the Haye fight does get the fight

Love how 'fact' in Az's eyes is always the complete opposite of 'fact' in everyone else's eyes!!

Says on that Twitter page Maloney wants Price to fight the winner of Haye v Fury.

Is Fury going to give Haye much trouble? I don't really know is my answer. If Tyson really does have hidden talent he needs to polish it up and put it on display.

Can he wrestle and bully Haye? I think Fury will do better than Audley and Chisora did but he still gets beat up.

Problem is he hasn't got Wlad's footwork so I can't see him getting to Haye and he lack's Wlad's defensive nowse so I can't see him stopping Haye effectively enough once he does come into range.

Fury won't do Audley rabbit in the headlights trick, and is tall and rangey enough to be harder to land cleaner on than Chis, so I agree in the assessment that he'll do better than either - but I'd still expect him to finish it in 8 rounds or less.

Cunningham knocked Fury on his behind, and he's not a reknowned knockout artist. Haye is relentless and a fantastic finisher. 3rd round KO. He'll make Fury look silly.

Haye fights Charr and wins inside five
Haye fights Fury and wins inside five

However, 606v2 consensus...Haye is a coward who only beats bums

What has Price done to earn a shot at great boxers like Haye and Fury?

azania wrote:What has Price done to earn a shot at great boxers like Haye and Fury?

As much as Chisora ??

Harrison announces comeback, Fury pulls out of fight with Pulev......

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Cunningham knocked Fury on his behind, and he's not a reknowned knockout artist. Haye is relentless and a fantastic finisher. 3rd round KO. He'll make Fury look silly.

This is exactly how I see it going as well. Fury is tough, but he's slow, clumsy, and easy to hit. Haye is so much faster than him, and is easily a heavy enough puncher to finish him.

I'm reserving my judgement on Fury's decision to pull out of the Pulev fight until I see the next opponent. If it's someone good (and there aren't many to choose from at HW - Haye being one of the few that's a step up from Pulev) or if it's some kind of obviously more financially rewarding option (again Haye being the obvious one in a short list of options) then Fury gets a pass from me. However, if the opponent is a step down from Pulev then it looks particularly suspect.

Pedro147 wrote:

azania wrote:What has Price done to earn a shot at great boxers like Haye and Fury?

A bit liberal here in the use of the word "great" I agree

DAVE667 wrote:Haye fights Charr and wins inside five
Haye fights Fury and wins inside five

However, 606v2 consensus...Haye is a coward who only beats bums

Although people rightfully make fun of him because of his mouth, opponent choices, title fight performance, and toe, I think the 606v2 consensus is still that Haye is the 3rd best HW on the planet.

Fury could beat Haye with the right gameplan. Unfortunately the big fella is about as tactically astute as a toilet brush.

Haye is seriously bulked up and was blowing hard before he carpet bombed Chisora. If Fury could peck with the jab, maintain a high workrate, keep his hands high and lean all over Haye in close, he could tire Haye down the stretch.

What we'll actually end up with is a slanging match that makes Broner-Malignaggi look tame (sponsored by a tabloid no doubt) and Fury walking onto one that puts his lights out.

Haye will then bark about the Klitschkos before going after Frank Bruno.

hazharrison wrote:If Fury could peck with the jab, maintain a high workrate, keep his hands high and lean all over Haye in close, he could tire Haye down the stretch.

Basically "If Fury could box like he never has before"

Not quite - He did well against Johnson - He could probably do the same against Haye for about 2 rounds.

Pedro147 wrote:

azania wrote:What has Price done to earn a shot at great boxers like Haye and Fury?

Pahahahahahahaha Az gets more ridiculous by the day! You know it's bad when even he can't wum cleverly and has to be this blatant!

To be fair - Az you were a little transparent then.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:If Fury could peck with the jab, maintain a high workrate, keep his hands high and lean all over Haye in close, he could tire Haye down the stretch.

Basically "If Fury could box like he never has before"

Not really. The Johnson performance with a few more special effects.

Haye's speed and power is the problem............Then again Haye crapped his load against the huge Wlad so there is a slim possibility that he fights negatively again because of the huge specimen he sees in front of him.........

However unlike the Wlad fight he'll have the confidence booster of seeing a washed up cruiser decking Fury...........

Fury would need to do two things...........one... try his best to intimidate Haye pre-fight and two........Try to develop a half decent jab as Wlad showed you can nullify Haye that way!!!!!!!!

Not inconceivable Fury beats Haye.............But all the questions are for Fury to answer and chances are he won't answer them..

The Johnson performance was helped significantly by him throwing nothing back and essentially standing there to be hit.

Haye would do neither.

Fury's fooked.

hazharrison wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:If Fury could peck with the jab, maintain a high workrate, keep his hands high and lean all over Haye in close, he could tire Haye down the stretch.

Basically "If Fury could box like he never has before"

Not really. The Johnson performance with a few more special effects.

If Fury pecks with the jab instead of snapping it out, Haye walks through it..and him.

Hope it happens as I'm officially bored of Fury. However, I hope it doesn't happen as I'd like to see Fury beaten by someone several rungs below the calibre of Haye just to prove once and for all that it's Fury who should be granted the title of HW Frauster and Charlatan

Not Financially Viable!!

It was going to purse bids!! Fat Mick could make it financially viable if he wants to; Kalle Sauerland even said the fight could be in the UK. Think Fury wants to cash in with Haye and get his arsed handed to him that way. All this talk about making himself mandatorily for Wlad and backs out of purse bids for a second time. This is hard (even for Az) to defend.

TopHat24/7 wrote:The Johnson performance was helped significantly by him throwing nothing back and essentially standing there to be hit.

Haye would do neither.

Fury's fooked.

That's because fury didn't allow him to punch back. Fantastic performance.

Obviously not seen much of Johnson before hand?

All this Fury knocking is fine and some of it is warranted, however one thing he most definitely has on his side is time. He isn't 25 till August, a mere baby in heavyweight terms.
The simple fact is he can afford to pick his moment, he has only been a pro for 4-5 years, it took 5 years for Haye to get in the ring with Mormeck and that was about his first decent opponent apart from Thomson who beat him. So its not like he is lagging far behind the way Hayes career progressed at the same stage, plus Haye was older.

People jyst want him to lose. Brits love losers it seems.

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:The Johnson performance was helped significantly by him throwing nothing back and essentially standing there to be hit.

Haye would do neither.

Fury's fooked.

That's because fury didn't allow him to punch back. Fantastic performance.

Pahahahaha, seriously Az, I need to send you my dry cleaning bill as I actually just peed myself.

You really are making yourself a figure of absolute ridicule with this buffonary. Just drop the charade n try get back to posting intelligently.

Diggers wrote:All this Fury knocking is fine and some of it is warranted, however one thing he most definitely has on his side is time. He isn't 25 till August, a mere baby in heavyweight terms.
The simple fact is he can afford to pick his moment, he has only been a pro for 4-5 years, it took 5 years for Haye to get in the ring with Mormeck and that was about his first decent opponent apart from Thomson who beat him. So its not like he is lagging far behind the way Hayes career progressed at the same stage, plus Haye was older.

Fury has just ducked out of purse bids for his 22nd fight - at the same career stage Haye had unified an entire division which, in terms of time, took him 5.25 yrs. Whereas 4.5 years into Fury's career he's actively avoiding fights that only get him to contender status. Ridiculous comparison.

Fury is a very,very average fighter and that's being kind, just can't see anything about him that gets people excited IMO.

He's better than Price

azania wrote:He's better than Price

Just for a laugh, based on......??

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Diggers wrote:All this Fury knocking is fine and some of it is warranted, however one thing he most definitely has on his side is time. He isn't 25 till August, a mere baby in heavyweight terms.
The simple fact is he can afford to pick his moment, he has only been a pro for 4-5 years, it took 5 years for Haye to get in the ring with Mormeck and that was about his first decent opponent apart from Thomson who beat him. So its not like he is lagging far behind the way Hayes career progressed at the same stage, plus Haye was older.

Fury has just ducked out of purse bids for his 22nd fight - at the same career stage Haye had unified an entire division which, in terms of time, took him 5.25 yrs. Whereas 4.5 years into Fury's career he's actively avoiding fights that only get him to contender status. Ridiculous comparison.

So 4.5 years into Hayes career who had he beat ?

Fury has dug himself a bit of a hole by constantly running his mouth.

He's got himself into a position where all roads lead to him getting flattened by someone who he clearly isn't ready to be in the ring with, it's just a case of how much he earns in the process. I think his team did not foresee someone as good as Pulev being in the way of his shot at Wlad, Pulev is no world beater but he is a decent sized heavy which Tyson hasn't fought before and he is leagues above Fury skill wise. If he takes that fight he loses and gets small pay day compared to Wlad which would be pretty massive.

The only out for him without looking like a tool is to fight someone like Haye who will flatten him as well but for more money, which is preferable t Pulev for him but still not ideal.

Fury's level of opposition has been very good for a relative novice but now by getting himself in a final eliminator (which he said several times he would take, probably before seeing Pulev fight) he looks silly backing out as he certainly isn't ready for that level of opponent and fans are expecting a big name because of his trash talking.

Personally I think that there are a number good opponents for him, Adamek, Banks, Solis, Stiverne, Arreola, Wilder, Dimitrenko, Wach and even a Cunningham rematch are fights he might learn something from and are all winnable but he'll just be seen as ducking if he takes any of them now instead of fighting Pulev or someone else in the top bracket of heavyweights who will flatten him.

Diggers wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Diggers wrote:All this Fury knocking is fine and some of it is warranted, however one thing he most definitely has on his side is time. He isn't 25 till August, a mere baby in heavyweight terms.
The simple fact is he can afford to pick his moment, he has only been a pro for 4-5 years, it took 5 years for Haye to get in the ring with Mormeck and that was about his first decent opponent apart from Thomson who beat him. So its not like he is lagging far behind the way Hayes career progressed at the same stage, plus Haye was older.

Fury has just ducked out of purse bids for his 22nd fight - at the same career stage Haye had unified an entire division which, in terms of time, took him 5.25 yrs. Whereas 4.5 years into Fury's career he's actively avoiding fights that only get him to contender status. Ridiculous comparison.

So 4.5 years into Hayes career who had he beat ?

Without checking the exact dates I'd guess Fragomenni in the 3rd or 4th defence of his EBU title - a vastly superior achievement to anything Fury has accomplished. His next fight at the weight was against the divisional #1 and the following fight a unification.

Pulev on the other hand is the EBU champ at HW, so equivalent to Fragomenni, and Fury has just pulled out of fighting him.