Performances that don't get the credit they deserve ???

The Calzaghe thread the other day got me thinking about great wins and performances that don't get as much credit as they should.....

Calzaghe v Hoppo - Turned into a very good win and gets better over time.....

Hearns v Hill - Hill was an alltime great 175er and the man at the weight...Hearns was past it and still took the prize. Nobody seems to care..........and it's sad..

Douglas v Tyson - Tyson may have been off peak....But not many heavies at that time would have had the rocks to do what Buster did...especially taking that uppercut and getting back up..........No one had beaten Tyson and Douglas was going into unknown waters.....Great performance.....

Leonard v Hagler - Gets a lot of grief in some quarters for robbing Hagler or dictating terms........People forget that Leonard hadn't fought for three years and in his last fight got up off the deck and struggled with a journeyman....Hagler was p4p number 1 and Leonard performed superbly...

Holmes v Cooney - I don't think anybody in history bar Louis - Schmelling 2 had as much pressure on him as Holmes did that night.....Introduced second on the night..He didn't let it bother him and was punch perfect....

Randell against Chavez 1 and 2 if your feeling brave.

1st fight was a fantastic performance from a challenger up against a legend like Chavez.

Good call Onetwo.............Randall doesn't get credit for that or his performance against Rosario even.............

Your performance as a chick on the old 606 doesn't get the credit it's due either...at one stage i was thinking of proposing !!!!

NUNN v Tate .............Best boxing performance I've ever seen...against an Olympic champ and the favorite.....9-0 and Tate was considered a quality technician..ask Olajide!!

I always think Barrera vs hamed Barrera doesn't get enough credit! If you look at how there careers panned out Marquez doesn't get enough credit for the draw with pacman! Also rjj vs Hopkins rjj doesn't get enough credit! And finally Lewis vs v kilt

Toney does not get the plaudits for his masterclass against Barkley great performance that against a bigger man.

That's an interesting one Diamond.............Barrera seems in a lot of quarters to have performed a clinic though most agree 8-4 wasn't a complete slap.....

However others forget Barrera was considered on the slide before that fight........

It's a tough one....

Agree with RJJ and all this Hoppo green crud..........Hoppo hasn't changed since...

Disagree with Lewis v Klit........lewis was labored.

Honeyghan vs Curry. From certain quarters on this board anyway.

bhb001 wrote:Honeyghan vs Curry. From certain quarters on this board anyway.

very good..

barkley was bigger than Toney ??.........Mate Barkley was average ......I first saw him on cable against Amparo............

Douglas v Tyson

too much made of Tysons mindset etc and not enough of the once in a lifetime performance from Douglas

i dont know why but i always feel mannys wins are dismissed a bit too much, probably from mayweather fans

his destruction of hatton equates to hattons poor training camp and mayweather already beating him, think that manny splatters hatton anytime at his best

also his beat down of ODLH is because he cruelly made oscar strip down in weight, despite oscar being plenty powerful enough to dictate the terms.

Absolutely...........I think people don't appreciate how mentally taxing it is for fighters against Tyson...Same as Liston and Louis.........

Spinks, Tucker, Smith, Bruno 2, Seldon.. all beaten before the first bell..........Williams out in 1 in his last fight..

Douglas might have been helped by the mess his private life was in however but still........

Id say Mayweather vs De La Hoya

also note Hatton vs Tsyzu.

Lewis vs Vitali?! No chance. Vitali was clearly winning that fight and Lewis rightfully got an ear bashing. Terrible performance.

Mayweather gets slammed for Oscar...and yet Oscar's record shows you had to be top class to beat him...and it was at Oscar's preferred weight at 154..Good call Mate..

Hatton is a good call too.........Ripped kosta's heart out and for me beats him anytime..because he took his shot.....

He still beat kilt tho all be it he was getting beat but klits face was a mess no one has made klit look like that since

Think it was the way he won the fight and his subsequent rematch avoidance........

Not that I'm saying Lewis lacked rocks...Think he smelt the coffee...

Still it's easy to forget lewis had a change of opponent, was heavy and was knocking on 40 and still was leading a guy that with his brother would rule for 8/10 years..........

some Klit perspective there...........

Agree, knowing there was a good chance he would lose the rematch he retired good timing something I wish other fighters would learn from

Frampton Vs Martinez - Still a novice and he KO'd a man who has never been stopped to win the Euro belt and claim stake to the best in Britain and Ireland

Lost to Rendall Munroe didn't he ???

Steve Collins first victory over Chris Eubanks, he went in as the underdog and outfought, out thought and dominated a good champion.

Collins was an overachiever and I always have time for them........

Especially when I saw him lose to Mccallum years before....Never thought he'd have the career he had.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Lost to Rendall Munroe didn't he ???

KO'd Jason Booth though

You don't rate Booth on the other thread..

Wish you'd make your mind up..........Maybe I should write posts for you...

Might help with your arguments......... 

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You don't rate Booth on the other thread..

Wish you'd make your mind up..........Maybe I should write posts for you...

Might help with your arguments......... 

Thats funny i thought i was being Sarcastic, forgot Americans dont get it.

I am tying your argument up in knots, Quigg is better than Frampton you say. You say Quigq is better, one reason he beat Jason Booth. You say Frampton fought no marks like Molitor, yet Molitor beat booth. Also he beat a no mark in Martinez yet Matinez KO'd Booth, so either you need to admit to being a WUM or acknowledge that Frampton has better wins by beating the guys who beat the guys Quigg is facing, simple  

Honeyghan vs Curry. From certain quarters on this board anyway.

Never said he was better.......Said I think Warren/mcguigan would halt Frampton's progress and would pick Quigg to win if/when they fight...

Hard to tell If/when you are being sarcastic....no offence...

No offence taken, cant tell myself these days.

You say you think Quigg would win based on 7 points, i gave my counter argument, isnt that the nature of deabte?

"Americans don't get sarcasm".."I think Truss is a d**kh**d..........."

Hey whatever the nature...........Fairplay...

You're conceding defeat right ??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"Americans don't get sarcasm".."I think Truss is a d**kh**d..........."

Hey whatever the nature...........Fairplay...

You're conceding defeat right ??

No this isnt the bay of Pigs, im not conceding defeat, i was offering you an Olive branch but obvioulsy you dont want it...........Fairplay

The bay of pigs was before Castro soiled himself when Kennedy was killed right ???.....

Begging Lyndon to believe he had nothing to do with it..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The bay of pigs was before Castro soiled himself when Kennedy was killed right ???.....

Begging Lyndon to believe he had nothing to do with it..

Was that after the Americans were running around the world look for Che as one man was showing the Americans up in the poor Latin Countries? Or was that after America cried foul play when the Russians gave Cuba Missles to defend itself against American agression (completely ignoring all the 'defence' missiles the US had along the Russian border countries?)

Che....Didn't he get his head blown off in Bolivia ??.........

I thought Cuba was the ideal place for a weapons base..........Pity the Russians soiled their pants and turned round with their widgers between their legs.......

This is like a history forum

Anyway I could go on about America kicking butt all day....but ......

Mike Mccallum v Herol Graham..........Never thought Mike would beat Graham after losing to Kalambay..........

Great performance by a great fighter...as was Watson.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Che....Didn't he get his head blown off in Bolivia ??.........

I thought Cuba was the ideal place for a weapons base..........Pity the Russians soiled their pants and turned round with their widgers between their legs.......

Yeah he did, when the CIA sent specialists and the entire Army after him, then executed him (of course they had a Bolivian do it)

Russians soiled their pants? if it wasnt for one level headed Russian Commander you wouldnt even be here sunshine, Nuculear missle armed and ready with a submainer with his finger on the button just off Cuba, if his commanding officer hadnt used common sense there would be a big hole in the Atlantic right now.
Despite what you were taught in School, the facts are Russian was the biggest contributer to WW2, Russian avoided Nuclear war despite coming seconds from wiping you out before you could even blink, it was Russia who pressed for Nuculear diarmament but no a b-movie actor wanted to put lasers in space instead of uniting the world in peace (as Americans claim they try to do)

I love the way you rewrite history.........

You were bankrupt we bailed you out....Russia didn't sunshine..........

Let me tell you about Russia they were quite happy to see you slaughtered by Germany as long as they were okay........Roosevelt was secretly helping Britain before Pearl Harbor....

Russia was such a friend Churchill wanted to invade it post war..........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I love the way you rewrite history.........

You were bankrupt we bailed you out....Russia didn't sunshine..........

Let me tell you about Russia they were quite happy to see you slaughtered by Germany as long as they were okay........Roosevelt was secretly helping Britain before Pearl Harbor....

Russia was such a friend Churchill wanted to invade it post war..........

Not rewriting History. We were Bankrupt yes, we went into the War to stand up against Evil, not sit on the sidelines. Also The War helped America, if not for WW2 you would still be in a mess, it was thanks to the War you could produce arms and sell them on. Also Stalin hated Fasism with a passion, he pledged anything the Allies wanted to help the cause, all he wanted was a second front opening (which was delayed due to Churchill wanting to protect the Empires interests)

Roosevelt did help out the Brits, he was a great man, shame you havent had another one like him again.

Also Stalin and Churchill had post war meeting to divide up countries, Stalin gave Churchill everything he asked, Stalin only wanted security for the soviets, Churchill then got caught up in his own post war hype in America touring and feeding off the American mood that the Soviets were decendants from Hell and despite this, Stalin never broke his promise to Churchill on what land he could have.

Looking at History objectively, American gained a hell of a lot from the War, took them out of the depression and yes they gave out loans, with massive interest.
Churchill despite the glamour was merely an old dinosaur from the Empire days (hence he was booted from office after the war)
And FDR was a great man who was unfortinuate enough to get saddled with the waste of a Human being Truman and started the poor relations with russia

no-mas wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I love the way you rewrite history.........

You were bankrupt we bailed you out....Russia didn't sunshine..........

Let me tell you about Russia they were quite happy to see you slaughtered by Germany as long as they were okay........Roosevelt was secretly helping Britain before Pearl Harbor....

Russia was such a friend Churchill wanted to invade it post war..........

Not rewriting History. We were Bankrupt yes, we went into the War to stand up against Evil, not sit on the sidelines. Also The War helped America, if not for WW2 you would still be in a mess, it was thanks to the War you could produce arms and sell them on. Also Stalin hated Fasism with a passion, he pledged anything the Allies wanted to help the cause, all he wanted was a second front opening (which was delayed due to Churchill wanting to protect the Empires interests)

Roosevelt did help out the Brits, he was a great man, shame you havent had another one like him again.

Also Stalin and Churchill had post war meeting to divide up countries, Stalin gave Churchill everything he asked, Stalin only wanted security for the soviets, Churchill then got caught up in his own post war hype in America touring and feeding off the American mood that the Soviets were decendants from Hell and despite this, Stalin never broke his promise to Churchill on what land he could have.

Looking at History objectively, American gained a hell of a lot from the War, took them out of the depression and yes they gave out loans, with massive interest.
Churchill despite the glamour was merely an old dinosaur from the Empire days (hence he was booted from office after the war)
And FDR was a great man who was unfortinuate enough to get saddled with the waste of a Human being Truman and started the poor relations with russia

This is all far too deep for me but since we are trying to decide whether Russia or the US has been better to the UK I think we should try to work out who has the best looking girls.

no-mas wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I love the way you rewrite history.........

You were bankrupt we bailed you out....Russia didn't sunshine..........

Let me tell you about Russia they were quite happy to see you slaughtered by Germany as long as they were okay........Roosevelt was secretly helping Britain before Pearl Harbor....

Russia was such a friend Churchill wanted to invade it post war..........

Not rewriting History. We were Bankrupt yes, we went into the War to stand up against Evil, not sit on the sidelines. Also The War helped America, if not for WW2 you would still be in a mess, it was thanks to the War you could produce arms and sell them on. Also Stalin hated Fasism with a passion, he pledged anything the Allies wanted to help the cause, all he wanted was a second front opening (which was delayed due to Churchill wanting to protect the Empires interests)

Roosevelt did help out the Brits, he was a great man, shame you havent had another one like him again.

Also Stalin and Churchill had post war meeting to divide up countries, Stalin gave Churchill everything he asked, Stalin only wanted security for the soviets, Churchill then got caught up in his own post war hype in America touring and feeding off the American mood that the Soviets were decendants from Hell and despite this, Stalin never broke his promise to Churchill on what land he could have.

Looking at History objectively, American gained a hell of a lot from the War, took them out of the depression and yes they gave out loans, with massive interest.
Churchill despite the glamour was merely an old dinosaur from the Empire days (hence he was booted from office after the war)
And FDR was a great man who was unfortinuate enough to get saddled with the waste of a Human being Truman and started the poor relations with russia

Haugen - Jimmy Paul.....was a big upset............Paul was getting good publicity after taking apart Arroyo..........

The best girls are British...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote: The best girls are British...

You have obviously never seen Jeremy kyle  

I feel JMM doesnt get nearly enough credit he deserves after his 4 fights with MP, especially after the last one, rather than universal praise the accusations came flying thick and fast, trying to smear a great win that he really deserved

Agree...Jmm was royally screwed over...........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

no-mas wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I love the way you rewrite history.........

You were bankrupt we bailed you out....Russia didn't sunshine..........

Let me tell you about Russia they were quite happy to see you slaughtered by Germany as long as they were okay........Roosevelt was secretly helping Britain before Pearl Harbor....

Russia was such a friend Churchill wanted to invade it post war..........

Not rewriting History. We were Bankrupt yes, we went into the War to stand up against Evil, not sit on the sidelines. Also The War helped America, if not for WW2 you would still be in a mess, it was thanks to the War you could produce arms and sell them on. Also Stalin hated Fasism with a passion, he pledged anything the Allies wanted to help the cause, all he wanted was a second front opening (which was delayed due to Churchill wanting to protect the Empires interests)

Roosevelt did help out the Brits, he was a great man, shame you havent had another one like him again.

Also Stalin and Churchill had post war meeting to divide up countries, Stalin gave Churchill everything he asked, Stalin only wanted security for the soviets, Churchill then got caught up in his own post war hype in America touring and feeding off the American mood that the Soviets were decendants from Hell and despite this, Stalin never broke his promise to Churchill on what land he could have.

Looking at History objectively, American gained a hell of a lot from the War, took them out of the depression and yes they gave out loans, with massive interest.
Churchill despite the glamour was merely an old dinosaur from the Empire days (hence he was booted from office after the war)
And FDR was a great man who was unfortinuate enough to get saddled with the waste of a Human being Truman and started the poor relations with russia

Haugen - Jimmy Paul.....was a big upset............Paul was getting good publicity after taking apart Arroyo..........

The best girls are British...

Finnish are the best once you get passed the seal noises they make mid nookie. 'oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi........'

They've probably got skinheads most of them right??

seanmichaels wrote:

Finnish are the best once you get passed the seal noises they make mid nookie. 'oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi........'

That doesn't sound so bad, my Mrs is usually snoring....

Is the bloke suposed to do the ..oggy..oggy..oggy...bit ?

Without doubt Brazilian girls make the best ahem noises. Ayyyyyyyyye ayyyyyyye ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye stozo!

Have you ever been one ?

Junior Jones never gets credit for beating Barerra, it's almost written off as he was Marco's boogieman and ignored that a decent but by no means great fighter beat an all time great twice.

Excellent choice bellchees............Forrest/ Mosley too..............

Mayorga should also get credit for Forrest