2013 Summer Transfer Window Thread ......Continued

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by Dr Gregory House MD on Mon May 27, 2013 1:46 am
Now that the season has drawn to a close, I thought I'd put up a thread to discuss possible transfer business.

Rumours, Predictions, Hopes and Actualities all welcome here

by Ent Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:23 pm

Don't understand all these rumours of united being in for garay.

I wasnt that impressed with him in Spain and we have Ferdinand, vidic, Evans, smalling and jones at centre half.

Bizarre, though I see the fabregas rumours are resurfacing - can anyone see this happening now barca have sold thiago? I can't.

by Bull Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:25 pm

Spain?

Garay plays for Benfica who are from Portugal lol

by **Afro** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:26 pm

Bull wrote:Spain?

Garay plays for Benfica who are from Portugal lol

Presumably when he was garbage for Real

by Duty281 Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:26 pm

United have bid £25 million for Fabregas. Would be a fantastic signing for United.

by compelling and rich Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:28 pm

Bull wrote:Spain?

Garay plays for Benfica who are from Portugal lol

he did play in spain for a while though, real madrid and racing santander

and i agree with ent see no reason why were in for another cb

by Ent Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:29 pm

Bull wrote:Spain?

Garay plays for Benfica who are from Portugal lol

He'd a few years in Spain in his early 20s, on loan to a mid table club and a season at Madrid.

He was pants.

by compelling and rich Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:30 pm

just like i said about thiago i will believe the fabregas rumors when i see him in the shirt.

we do very poorly when competing for European signings, the only big european signings have been veron and ruud, nearly all the other big signings were bought from English clubs

by GSC Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:32 pm

It would be a surprise if Arsenal let Cesc sign for United all that easily tbh

by Ent Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:34 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
Bull wrote:Spain?

Garay plays for Benfica who are from Portugal lol

he did play in spain for a while though, real madrid and racing santander

and i agree with ent see no reason why were in for another cb

I don't understand what we've been at for the whole window- it's been a shambles.

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:37 pm

Not sure David Moyes knows what he wants to do right now, it's the first time he's had a transfer budget so he's probably doing what we all do on FM, add half of Europe to his shortlist and watch the media salivate over the possibilities.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:39 pm

Duty281 wrote:United have bid £25 million for Fabregas. Would be a fantastic signing for United.

So an older version of Thiago for more money? Great Sad

by **Afro** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:41 pm

I don't really understand this feeling that Arsenal are all that powerful in determining Fabregas' fate.

Yes they have the buyback clause, but that is worthless is Cesc isn't interested in a move to Arsenal over United. Nothing I have seen suggests he would prefer challenging for a CL spot over a team who win the league more often than not. All this "he loves Arsenal" is nonsense. He loved them so much, he pushed through a move to Barca

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:42 pm

Not sure what it is that Thiago's done that puts him at Fabregas's level? 68 games for Barca, 3 caps for Spain, promising potential in an excellent team.

Compared to 272 apps between Arsenal and Barca, 83 caps for Spain, a World Cup and two European Championships. I'd rather have Cesc than Thiago every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:43 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:I don't really understand this feeling that Arsenal are all that powerful in determining Fabregas' fate.

Yes they have the buyback clause, but that is worthless is Cesc isn't interested in a move to Arsenal over United. Nothing I have seen suggests he would prefer challenging for a CL spot over a team who win the league more often than not. All this "he loves Arsenal" is nonsense. He loved them so much, he pushed through a move to Barca

He loved Barca first, which is why he left them to sign for Arsenal as a kid...loved Arsenal so much he left them for Barca...only logical move is that he loves Barca so much he moves back to Arsenal. Surely?

by **Afro** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:44 pm

Agreed Azzy. I'd have Fabregas every day of the week over Thiago.

And at least Moyes is trying to address the position that everyone seems to agree they need to, something that seemed unnecessary to the great SAF who thought Cleverley was the answer

by The Special Juan Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:44 pm

Oh dear, not Fabregas Sad

I wasn't a fan of his at Arsenal and I'm certainly not a fan of his at Barca. I mean, he wasn't awful at Arsenal but when he was there he was a good player in an average team (Arsenal have improved since then before anyone starts!!)

by The Special Juan Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:45 pm

And where does that leave poor Shinji?

Season 2011-2012, Dortmund win league + cup with Shinji. Man Utd win nothing.
Season 2012-2013, Dortmund win nothing. Man Utd win league with Shinji.

Therefore, Shinji is the best player ever.

Whistle

by **Afro** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:46 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
BigFellasAfro wrote:I don't really understand this feeling that Arsenal are all that powerful in determining Fabregas' fate.

Yes they have the buyback clause, but that is worthless is Cesc isn't interested in a move to Arsenal over United. Nothing I have seen suggests he would prefer challenging for a CL spot over a team who win the league more often than not. All this "he loves Arsenal" is nonsense. He loved them so much, he pushed through a move to Barca
He loved Barca first, which is why he left them to sign for Arsenal as a kid...loved Arsenal so much he left them for Barca...only logical move is that he loves Barca so much he moves back to Arsenal. Surely?

If Arsenal and United both get bids accepting, and Cesc gets to choose, I would put money on him choosing United.

by GSC Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:47 pm

Are united really the sure bet they were under Ferguson.

Chelsea and City have more cash and hired bigger names.

United had a great spell but Liverpool show success doesn't last forever

by **Afro** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:48 pm

Not as sure a bet a last season, but still more likely title contenders than Arsenal.

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:49 pm

GSC wrote:Are united really the sure bet they were under Ferguson.

Chelsea and City have more cash and hired bigger names.

United had a great spell but Liverpool show success doesn't last forever

I've said this since the second Moyes was appointed. Chelsea have Mourinho + signings, City have Pellegrini + signings, Arsenal have Wenger + lots of money to spend, Spurs have AVB + Bale + some money to spend...what's in United's future?

Signing Fabregas would be such a statement of intent though, I almost hope they do sign him. What a title race we'd be in for then.

by Bull Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:53 pm

Shinji plays behind RVP, Rooney is benched and left to rot

by GSC Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:54 pm

Maybe but Moyes isn't the heavy hitter SAF was

by TopHat24/7 Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:04 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Not sure what it is that Thiago's done that puts him at Fabregas's level? 68 games for Barca, 3 caps for Spain, promising potential in an excellent team.

Compared to 272 apps between Arsenal and Barca, 83 caps for Spain, a World Cup and two European Championships. I'd rather have Cesc than Thiago every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Which is the Chelski/Citeh approach that reaps dividends for 3, maybe 4, seasons and then you're left with an expensive rebuild project. United are about youth and the long game, would rather pay a premium for potential unless it's something really special (RVP).

by TopHat24/7 Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:05 pm

The Special Juan wrote:And where does that leave poor Shinji?

Season 2011-2012, Dortmund win league + cup with Shinji. Man Utd win nothing.
Season 2012-2013, Dortmund win nothing. Man Utd win league with Shinji.

Therefore, Shinji is the best player ever.

My mate's an avid United fan and general football nut, has been banging on for ages that Kagawa should be sat behind RVP instead of Rooney and apparently he had a cracking Confed Cup.

by Bull Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:07 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:And where does that leave poor Shinji?

Season 2011-2012, Dortmund win league + cup with Shinji. Man Utd win nothing.
Season 2012-2013, Dortmund win nothing. Man Utd win league with Shinji.

Therefore, Shinji is the best player ever.

My mate's an avid United fan and general football nut, has been banging on for ages that Kagawa should be sat behind RVP instead of Rooney and apparently he had a cracking Confed Cup.

YESSS!!! finally lol start Kagawa

behind RVP! Chica and RVP would work in a partnership as well.

oh and let Rooney rot!

by The Special Juan Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:11 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:And where does that leave poor Shinji?

Season 2011-2012, Dortmund win league + cup with Shinji. Man Utd win nothing.
Season 2012-2013, Dortmund win nothing. Man Utd win league with Shinji.

Therefore, Shinji is the best player ever.

My mate's an avid United fan and general football nut, has been banging on for ages that Kagawa should be sat behind RVP instead of Rooney and apparently he had a cracking Confed Cup.

For Dortmund he excelled behind Lewandowski and I think he'd do the same behind RVP. I'm with your mate, he has to play "in the hole".

by GSC Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:18 pm

In any case, after selling Thiago is there any need to sell Cesc

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:20 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Then Arsenal should be straight on the phone, invoking their 'first refusal' clause, and bringing him back.

Arteta-Wilshere
Walcott - Fabregas - Jovetic
Higuain

Wowzers.

Note that Arsenal would need to actually sign players for that to happen

Yeah, slightly getting over-excited with that line-up. Arsenal to spend £25 on bringing back Cesc, £25m on Jovetic and then around £22m for Higuain. You do know who manages Arsenal don't you?????

As far as the Fabregas to United bid goes, I think it's going to fail. They've just sold Thiago and would not then want to get rid of Fabregas, especially with Xavi in serious decline. That clause is there for Arsenal and will not suddenly make Barcelona panic because United have bid that amount. Can't see this story going anywhere, other than to sell papers. Arsenal need a striker, new centre back and a keeper......not a returning Fabregas.

Also, has anyone been following Stoke. They've apparently bought Nando Quesada, highly rated Spanish player who's captained the u-20 national side. They've already bought Montoya aswell, Hughes really is trying to turn Stoke's style into something more attractive like Barcelona.

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:28 pm

I thought Stoke signed Muniesa not Montoya?

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:30 pm

Oh yeah, Muniesa.

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:31 pm

Still, a great signing for a club of Stoke's stature. Quite why Mark Hughes couldn't sign players like this at QPR, I don't know. He'd still be in a job if he had.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:00 pm

The Special Juan wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:And where does that leave poor Shinji?

Season 2011-2012, Dortmund win league + cup with Shinji. Man Utd win nothing.
Season 2012-2013, Dortmund win nothing. Man Utd win league with Shinji.

Therefore, Shinji is the best player ever.

My mate's an avid United fan and general football nut, has been banging on for ages that Kagawa should be sat behind RVP instead of Rooney and apparently he had a cracking Confed Cup.

For Dortmund he excelled behind Lewandowski and I think he'd do the same behind RVP. I'm with your mate, he has to play "in the hole".

Given how much he cleans up on Fantasy Football leagues each year I tend to trust his opinion also!!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:09 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Still, a great signing for a club of Stoke's stature. Quite why Mark Hughes couldn't sign players like this at QPR, I don't know. He'd still be in a job if he had.

Were we not all saying this when he signed Granero last year, and then he did bugger all...

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:18 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:
Olly wrote:Why did he fail the medical at Everton?

Because he's played nearly 40 games a season the past 2 years...

He didn't actually fail his medical with us. It flagged up a potential knee problem, so we tried to restructure the payments to limit the financial risk of his knee failing. Twente wouldn't change the terms, so we pulled out

Ah right.

Just realised his nickname is "The Bouncer".

Sounds like my type of player

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:21 pm

Norwich doing great business so far Olly.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:23 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Norwich doing great business so far Olly.

We'll see if it's great business come May next year thumbsup

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:24 pm

RVW will get double figures, that's a good investment. Fer is a good midfielder, tenacious, he's a good investment. Redmond is a diamond in the rough, I love that signing. If Alderweireld did come to you, I'd put money on you being top 10 for sure.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:26 pm

On paper I'm happy with it for sure yeah.

Don't see Alderweireld coming off. He's destined for bigger clubs.

Fairly certain Hooper will be in yellow before August is out. Then we always seem to sign someone out of nowhere at some point

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:08 pm

All got to settle though, I wont trust RVW for awhile.

Arsenal have the emotional pull on Cesc, United would have the ambition he wants, but if Arsenal are willing to spend the money then it would probably initially show Cesc they are evolving.

If Barca have to accept a £25m from Arsenal then it doesnt matter what United offer surely?

United, however, could be smart enough to wait for Arsenal to spunk money somewhere else. Say they buy Suarez for £35m, will they spend another £25m on Fabregas? Probably leaves them without money and a squad short of players.

Kagawa is amazing, he is surely the Pienaar of this United team now. Moyes played him as an inside left and used Baines as his wide threat. Would give Kagawa the same freedom to play inside. Kagawa, Rooney, Zaha (or any other) as a three behind RVP is sensational.

Not sure why Rooney is so despised really. I believe reports that he didnt hand in a transfer request, just asked about his position and said if he wasnt playing then he may want to move on. Whats wrong with that? Hes a huge talent and should be driven by a desire to play in top matches.

by Fernando Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:12 pm

We have 70m to spend although we get 50% of anything Barca make on Cesc above the 25m Clause so to break even on him they would have to get close to 60m

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:14 pm

I'd be shocked if Arsenal spent anymore than 15m on a player this window.

Smoke and mirrors

by GSC Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:15 pm

I'm not so sure it's sensational. A player with a decent debut season, 1 very raw and the other out of form and unloved

by **Kenny** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:19 pm

I'm almost certain Liverpool will not sell Suarez for less then a package less then £40 million +

I have heard that Real Madrid have sounded out Liverpools interest in Xabi Alonso , so would expect any bid from them for Suarez would include him as part of it .

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:20 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:All got to settle though, I wont trust RVW for awhile.

Indeed, I see a lot of Norwich fans expecting 8th-10th and a cup win ala Swansea this year. Whilst it's great to have lofty ambitions, these guys are not guaranteed successes.

I personally am hoping we can finish top half, but would take anywhere above 17th tbh

by Guest Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:22 pm

Cavani having medical at PSG, deal basically done and dusted. City going for Negredo is a huge come down, he's a good player, but certainly no Cavani.

Arsenal need a striker, centre back and goalkeeper......why would they spend nearly £25m on a central midfielder????? United could of been clever and waited but they haven't, they've bid and shown their hand that they want Cesc. Barcelona will be in rush to sell with Thiago gone, basically think the deal is a no-go for all parties.

by GSC Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:24 pm

25m for a world class player. Something Arsenal are short off.

United didn't exactly need a striker last season

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:29 pm

GSC wrote:I'm not so sure it's sensational. A player with a decent debut season, 1 very raw and the other out of form and unloved

Zaha is the lesser one but could be good, Im the only one on here who rates Ashley Young though. Otherwise, Kagawa is an amazingly good player who had a dip of form only after injury and then came back into it again. Rooney is world class too, and if he is brought back into the fold properly then he can recapture the rhythm and positivity. Best front four in English football for me, obviously it has caveats, but less so than the other top clubs in this country.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:30 pm

Yeah, Arsenal need him, hes better than every midfielder they have. You want to improve then you upgrade when you can

by **Kenny** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 5:31 pm

Xavi and Iniesta can't go on for ever , i think Barca would be taking a risk selling Fabregas straight after Thiago

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