League Reboot

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:25 am

First topic message reminder :

Please register your interest should we press ahead and reboot the league.

This is also a good chance to air grievances with current rules and suggest new ones, as well as any innovations you have to make it better.

We may entirely ignore all suggestions, such is our wont.

Cherries
Gregers
Olly
Azzy
ZZZ
Nando (probably)
Afro
Hero
GSC
Trebs
sodhat

Need another 1 (or 3 or 5 or 7....)

Team Selection

Every team valued at 100m or below is available

Everybody bids for their preferred team

Maximum bid is 120m, Minimum 70m. Bids must also be at least TM value of the club

Any money left over from the 120m budget goes into your budget for a player draft

Results
Same as before

Voting
Same as before, however 1 good/bad point for each team required

TP Limit
Draft = no TP limit
Start of the league = £10m limit
Each week = £1m increase
End of season 1 = £19m TP limit (based on 10 teams, no cup weeks as we'd do that at the end)
End of season 2 = £28m

You could make it £12m > £21m > £30m if preferred?

This will change slightly depending on number of teams.

Injuries
AGREED AS 4 INJURIES PER WEEK

Do we want any form of transfers healing injuries?
NO

Whether to ditch U21 and nationality restrictions
AGREED TO DITCH BOTH

League structure - single league or not?
SINGLE LEAGUE

Cash loans (inc. implied in deals) being banned
NO CASH LOANS ALLOWED, ALL TRANSFERS MUST BE PAID UP FRONT

End of season loans when you have nothing to play for - how to stop these
NO LOANS ALLOWED EXCEPT EMERGENCY LOANS FOR GOALKEEPERS

Releases - same as before?
AGREED

Any squad limits?
22 MINIMUM, 30 MAXIMUM

Runner's Duties

Releases - Azzy
Injuries - Trebs
Posting tactics - Olly
Players within league - Afro
Results - sodhat
Lawyers - Trebs
Tables - sodhat
Fixtures/results list -Afro
Top scorers - Azzy
Premier League Prediction game - ZZZ

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:29 pm

Things to decide on as far as I can see (please add if I have missed any)

How squads/teams are decided, and starting budgets
How results are calculated
Making sure feedback is actually useful and constructive
TP limit - yes or no
Injuries
Whether to ditch U21 and nationality restrictions
League structure - single league or not?
Cash loans (inc. implied in deals) being banned
End of season loans when you have nothing to play for - how to stop these

by Marky Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:30 pm

Sod off GSC, no limits at all on teams. As long as they're under the financial limit.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:30 pm

GSC wrote:One thing I might say if you want to do real teams is no PL sides

Not against that at all

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:31 pm

I don't see why we should exclude PL teams.

All teams should be available within the financial limit

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:31 pm

We've already had 2 PL leagues. One where they specifically ruled out the best sides

Makes it interesting

by FIFA Diva Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:31 pm

Booo. It would have made the league much more exciting and dramatic, clubs falling into administration big name playere moving for half their value. It would bring excitement back to the league.

How about me being a multi billionaire after the first season I buy the lowest placed side abd inject them with money no more then 60m but I also have a say in who the manager buys.

Every four weeks I will randomly ban a player from a team for 6 game weeks, racism, fighting, cheating, biting basically I am the fa.

I am the international manager and if I take your players on international duty you'll get 100k but theres also a chance of them getting injured.

Maybe I can do all 4 jobs.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:32 pm

Marky wrote:Sod off GSC, no limits at all on teams. As long as they're under the financial limit.

Nor that.

Basically, I don't care either way on that one.

Perhaps we pick a shortlist of teams from different nations, say 10-15 of them, all similarish in value. And then you bid from that list. It's like a team draft

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:33 pm

How squads/teams are decided, and starting budgets = PICK TEAMS, GIVE EACH TEAM £100M + WHATEVER THE TM DIFFERENCE IS FOR THOSE LESS GOOD TEAMS
How results are calculated = VOTING AS BEFORE
Making sure feedback is actually useful and constructive = I THINK WE'VE SOLVED THAT ONE
TP limit - yes or no = NO
Injuries = ONCE A MONTH, 1X1 WEEK, 1X2 WEEKS ETC, INJURIES HEAL IF PLAYER MOVES CLUB
Whether to ditch U21 and nationality restrictions = YES!
League structure - single league or not? = YES!
Cash loans (inc. implied in deals) being banned = YES!
End of season loans when you have nothing to play for - how to stop these = JUST BAN PLAYER LOANS ENTIRELY

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:33 pm

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Booo. It would have made the league much more exciting and dramatic, clubs falling into administration big name playere moving for half their value. It would bring excitement back to the league.

How about me being a multi billionaire after the first season I buy the lowest placed side abd inject them with money no more then 60m but I also have a say in who the manager buys.

Every four weeks I will randomly ban a player from a team for 6 game weeks, racism, fighting, cheating, biting basically I am the fa.

I am the international manager and if I take your players on international duty you'll get 100k but theres also a chance of them getting injured.

Maybe I can do all 4 jobs.

It makes me uncomfortable to think you'd be able to do any of those things.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:34 pm

I am the international manager and if I take your players on international duty you'll get 100k but theres also a chance of them getting injured.

That one could have some legs Laugh

by FIFA Diva Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:38 pm

Why Soddy? Crying or Very sad

We need to move forward with the times, my ideas are great it'll make the league realistic.

Afro Hug

you know a good plan when you see one.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:47 pm

Here's an example of a seleciton of 20 teams with decent enough players. This could be shortlist. You have £100m to bid for any of these teams and the highest bidder gets each team.

Malaga £47m
Getafe £47.5m
Betis - £41.5m

West Brom - £61m
Fulham - £63.5m

Bremen - £57.5m
Hoffenheim - £57m
Frankfurt - £65.5m

Sampdoria – £61m
Parma – £61m
Genoa - £68m

Braga - £66m

Rennes - £67m
Toulouse - £54.5m
St Etienne - £68m

Twente - £53.5m
PSV - £79.5m
Feyenoord - £47.5m

Dinamo Moscow - £64.5m

Anderlecht - £65m

You then get whatever is left of that £100m, plus an extra £20m to use in a draft

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:48 pm

Might as well just open it up to any team 100m or below since people want to be boring.

I think there needs to be a TP limit.

by Gregers Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:49 pm

I'd be okay with that if we then had to change the name of the team

What about starting with an under 21 side from anywhere in the world

England
Italy
Spain
Germany
Holland
Belgium
Portugal
Brazil
Argentina

by Marky Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:50 pm

My idea;

Everyone has £150m. Everyone drafts one real life team at that cost or under, then a player draft on remaining players for whoever has cash to spend. No limits on players (or a high limit, say 30).

Injuries and Lawyers don't need to change but it would be a fresh approach to the usual draft. And feedback wise I'd go with Azzy's idea of 1 good point and 1 bad point.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:50 pm

GSC wrote:Might as well just open it up to any team 100m or below since people want to be boring.

I think there needs to be a TP limit.

Having a shortlist of teams makes it more of a bidding process for the teams with a balance needed between getting the team you want, but leaving enough to make yourself competitive.

Having any team below £100m means that teams will probably just go for their TM value.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:51 pm

I think U21s is stretching it a bit too thin.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:52 pm

Don't like the idea of nationality/U21 restrictions.

Just open it up fully

by Gregers Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:53 pm

Marky wrote:My idea;

Everyone has £150m. Everyone drafts one real life team at that cost or under, then a player draft on remaining players for whoever has cash to spend. No limits on players (or a high limit, say 30).

Injuries and Lawyers don't need to change but it would be a fresh approach to the usual draft. And feedback wise I'd go with Azzy's idea of 1 good point and 1 bad point.

I like this, as long as the names of the teams get changed post draft

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:55 pm

I hate fake team names Sad

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:56 pm

I think we can do team name changes. The real life teams is just a means of getting to squads.

I do prefer having a shortlist of teams rather than it being open to teams under £150m/£100m, but will go with whatever the majority prefer

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:56 pm

A minimum team value is worth discussing. For the sake of teams having 120m transfer budgets, which seems a bit silly

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 1:57 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I hate fake team names

You have strong emotions don't you.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:00 pm

Since theres a fairly obvious loophole of just picking a team worth 1m, then having pretty much the entire budget to build my own squad from scratch.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:02 pm

Yeah, if you do open it up to all teams under a certain value, there does need to be a minimum value.

I would still do a shortlist though Whistle

by Marky Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:03 pm

I prefer what I suggested, but like Afro said, I'm also happy to go with the majority.

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:04 pm

GSC wrote:Since theres a fairly obvious loophole of just picking a team worth 1m, then having pretty much the entire budget to build my own squad from scratch.

Agree mit this.

We'll need to divide responsibilities too. If there is only a single league then we may be able to spread jobs equally around.

by Marky Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:04 pm

One question, if it were to be any real life side, is it limited to club sides or could I choose a Nation?

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:05 pm

I don't like a shortlist.

I'd say something along the lines of teams 70m-100m, and 20m extra to spend on players.

People max out at 50m budget this way.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:06 pm

I would say it has to be club sides to prevent overlap

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:07 pm

GSC wrote:I don't like a shortlist.

I'd say something along the lines of teams 70m-100m, and 20m extra to spend on players.

People max out at 50m budget this way.

Happy to go with that as well. What do others think?

Marky - I think you'd have to say just clubs (or just countries potentially) otherwise you may start to have players in two sides

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:12 pm

With the caveat that you can go below 70m, but your budget will cap at 50m.

I.e, if I pick Norwich at 69m, I'll have 50m budget not 51m.

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:30 pm

Agreed then. Teams of £70m-£100m, bid on them, any surplus = money to spend in the draft.

So the draft then, do we have a TP limit for that? And what would the TP limit be going forward?

Ie I pick PSV for £79m, I have £41m to spend in the draft, can I bid £41m on Thomas Muller? Or can I only bid on the Zahas and Scott Parkers of the world? Seems that if we go too high on the club teams' values, no-one from TM will actually improve our teams.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:33 pm

We could do 1 unlimited star player bid I guess.

by **Hero** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:36 pm

There are only 22 clubs on TM between 70-100m btw

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:38 pm

Aye, perhaps the 70m can be a budget cap as above.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:39 pm

You can choose below as well Hero, but still only get a 50m budget

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 2:56 pm

So can we agree?

You bid on your own choice of team up to a value of £100m.

You then get £20m plus whatever you don't use in the team draft, up to a maximum of £50m in total, in a player draft.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:00 pm

Agreed

by Fernando Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:01 pm

So who gets 1st pick at it then cos whoever goes last is going to be seriously annoyed if they miss out

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:03 pm

Are we bidding on teams

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:03 pm

Those teams between £70m and £100m are mostly rubbish btw Whistle

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:04 pm

It will be PM'd team drafts with the highest bidder getting them, same as with the player draft.

And if two bid the same, we get a second chance.

It will work exactly the same as we have done player drafts before

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:04 pm

Fernando wrote:So who gets 1st pick at it then cos whoever goes last is going to be seriously annoyed if they miss out

We bid on teams mate. So if you want Norwich, you need to bid as high as you feel comfortable (e.g. £80m), leaving you with £40m to spend.

What about the draft - what is the TP limit (if any)?

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:05 pm

Lets agree on how we are going to do team selection first. Then we can move on to agreeing on other things like injuries, TP limits etc

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:06 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
Fernando wrote:So who gets 1st pick at it then cos whoever goes last is going to be seriously annoyed if they miss out
We bid on teams mate. So if you want Norwich, you need to bid as high as you feel comfortable (e.g. £80m), leaving you with £40m to spend.

What about the draft - what is the TP limit (if any)?

Norwich are quite tempting tbh. I am going to seriously consider them

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:06 pm

Up for discussion. I'm wary of unlimited bids

by Fernando Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:07 pm

Fair enough i know what side im going for then Very Happy

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:08 pm

GSC wrote:Up for discussion. I'm wary of unlimited bids

It's basically the same as star player bids, the max you can have is £50m, that's only going to be 1 world-class player (eg Muller) or two very good players (eg Alba + Fellaini).

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 3:09 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:
Azzy Mahmood wrote:
Fernando wrote:So who gets 1st pick at it then cos whoever goes last is going to be seriously annoyed if they miss out
We bid on teams mate. So if you want Norwich, you need to bid as high as you feel comfortable (e.g. £80m), leaving you with £40m to spend.

What about the draft - what is the TP limit (if any)?

Norwich are quite tempting tbh. I am going to seriously consider them

Don't you dare Laugh

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