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Never considered myself to be overly strong but I find repping 110kg fairly easy while 80kg is childs play.

Right bored now, take the weightlifting talk to the weightlifting boards and the talk of political correctness and whether the term gay is offensive to anywhere other than here. (It is by the way as I have deemed it as such and this is not and never will be a democracy)

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Are you guys machines or something? When I was actively boxing I could bench about 80kgs and that was me really pushing myself...we're talking 4 or 5 reps. My 1MR was 90 and I almost died.

Unless we're talking about on the smithy in which case


I laugh at your puny efforts.

Well, like I said, I was very much a 'prop' build and my rugby playing by that point was pretty casual. Sure things would have been different if I'd been a more committed athlete.

I also probably wouldn't be sat here now on my fat arris weighing 20st but only benching a measley 85kg (in comparison)!

80kg is probably light for you Arnold Schwarzanegger types, but for an amateur middleweight, its quite a strain I can assure you. This is Kilograms...not pounds. 80kgs is 176lbs, my 1MR of 90kgs is the equivalent of benching a 15 stone man.

105kgs is nonsense if you're a footballer, there is absolutely no requirement for that level of strength, and doing ANY benching without spotters with any weight over 50kgs is suicidal.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:80kg is probably light for you Arnold Schwarzanegger types, but for an amateur middleweight, its quite a strain I can assure you. This is Kilograms...not pounds. 80kgs is 176lbs, my 1MR of 90kgs is the equivalent of benching a 15 stone man.

105kgs is nonsense if you're a footballer, there is absolutely no requirement for that level of strength, and doing ANY benching without spotters with any weight over 50kgs is suicidal.

 

That's warm up stuff!

Or close grip for triceps....(sorry Rowls)

I feel increasingly like Nick Clegg round here, impressive sounding title but nobody actually listens to a word I say

TopHat24/7 wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:80kg is probably light for you Arnold Schwarzanegger types, but for an amateur middleweight, its quite a strain I can assure you. This is Kilograms...not pounds. 80kgs is 176lbs, my 1MR of 90kgs is the equivalent of benching a 15 stone man.

105kgs is nonsense if you're a footballer, there is absolutely no requirement for that level of strength, and doing ANY benching without spotters with any weight over 50kgs is suicidal.

 

That's warm up stuff!

Or close grip for triceps....(sorry Rowls)

Jab - start doing 25kg on each dumbell - you'll be doing 120 in no time.

Rowley wrote:I feel increasingly like Nick Clegg round here, impressive sounding title but nobody actually listens to a word I say

You are deputy prime minister?   When did prescott get back a seat?

Schwarzenegger? Perish the thought! Im not even a heavyweight. 195lbs soaking wet. Havent benched in four-five months, but I last benched 270lbs when I did, might be a little less, but I expect it to be a bit more.

Apparently Joe Frazier was pretty weak with the bench... But I cant remember where I read that.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Gay is no longer an insulting term.

Liverpool Football Club staff have been issued with a guide to unacceptable language so they can help eradicate verbal abuse from fans.

The handbook highlights "offensive" phrases including  "that's gay"

Strongback has been confident of late. May be he is now employed by LFC?

ShahenshahG wrote:

Rowley wrote:I feel increasingly like Nick Clegg round here, impressive sounding title but nobody actually listens to a word I say

You are deputy prime minister?   When did prescott get back a seat?

Eric Pickles being promoted would be more apt Shah.

Maybe I'm just weak, punch like a mule though ;)my ex-best mate could deadlift stupid weights and benched a lot (but he had been doing it for years) yet when we got to the punch machines on nights out.....well....not to brag....

He says its something to do with "fast twitch" which I don't understand.

Rowley wrote:I feel increasingly like Nick Clegg round here, impressive sounding title but nobody actually listens to a word I say

If it makes you feel any better that did make me ROFLMAO...

kingraf wrote:Schwarzenegger? Perish the thought! Im not even a heavyweight. 195lbs soaking wet. Havent benched in four-five months, but I last benched 270lbs when I did, might be a little less, but I expect it to be a bit more.

Apparently Joe Frazier was pretty weak with the bench... But I cant remember where I read that.

Boom, well done kingy, back on boxing now so Rowls can't complain....

Eh? No chance were you benching 80kg at 17! Ha! Are you a 6ft 10 inch tank built like David Haye?!

Im with you on this jab, they may mean pounds but if your banging out 50kg on triceps then you are simply a monster.

footballers do not require those weights at all.

im no body builder, just a decent level footballer who loves boxing. No need for me to strain over 80kg at all. I was shifting a 62kg flatpack the other day and two men brought it in on delivery and they strained a bit, so how people smash over 100kg is beyond me.

Rowley wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

Rowley wrote:I feel increasingly like Nick Clegg round here, impressive sounding title but nobody actually listens to a word I say

You are deputy prime minister?   When did prescott get back a seat?

Eric Pickles being promoted would be more apt Shah.

I didnt want to be unkind. I cant picture you with piggy eyes

I've always felt that the bench wasn't particularly useful but the gym use to say, bench press,deadlift, Squats are essential and anything else just finisher.

Tyson however was doing 120 kg at 15

Speaking of David Haye......he punches hard does he not? Must be the benching...

Wow! Was he? That's surreal. No wonder he sparked everyone out.

I just don't see the point benching over 100kgs, I've heard (I'm not a regular gym goer anymore) that the best way to build your strength is to do between 6 - 12 reps of a weight that strains you but is well within your ability to lift. I butterfly (or did) 15kgs on each dumbell and that I can tell you, after say the 8th or 9th rep is an absolute killer. Some people do 25kgs but those are some of the biggest dumbells in the place, and generally done by people who drop/slam the weights or do 2 reps and stand up to see if everyone was watching.

In terms of my boxing, I lost a lot of speed (theres a reason I have the name Jabmachine) by increasing the weight, it wasn't getting harder, but I was able to throw more without getting tired, but the issue was it was slowing. Where I used to be able to throw in one practice round in excess of 40 jabs, I was able to up the pace to 50/60 but frankly, they were so ineffective I preferred the lower output but with more power and speed.

Guess everyones different though.

In the spirit of if you can’t beat em join em would be amazed if Frazier actually knew what he could or couldn’t bench. Weights in boxing are a largely new phenomena and few if any of the old time boxers actually used them. Go back far enough and the only slight concession to weights was the arm pulley bars which were quite frequently used.

Even a few years back remember watching a video of Tyson and they showed him some training footage of Bruno with Bruno lifting huge weights and Tyson laughed and said he did not do anything like that in his training.

It wouldn't surprise me Rowley, the genetic makeup of Tyson looked considerably different to that of Bruno, Tyson would have been more of a "powerlifter" being shorter and stockier and therefore wouldn't have the same level of endurance that Bruno had for benching and such.

I must admit, the idea of seeing Ali benching and trying to beat PB's rather than sparring, skipping and hitting the bags is laughable.

Bruno was benching 1 and a half solis' Tyson was just put through his paces to measure his strength and didnt use the weight until much later in his career.

Squats are awesome. Really help you strengthen the quads and glutes, which in turn increases your punching power. My left cross improved in leaps once I started squatting... As did my vertical leap, and therefore slam dunking abilities.


I have a howitzer of a left hand, If do say so myself... I could have made it in this sport, if I didnt have the punch resistance of an octogenarian boy band member.

Can I just ask if anyones got an off peak membership with David Lloyds?

Don't get hit then Raf - I hate being hit so I avoid it wherever possible. Klitschko is actually onto something with the way he boxes, leaning back and taking the force out of anything they throw has stopped me from being knocked out so far.

Your legs are I'd say 75% of your power, leg lifts are much more beneficial for a boxer than benching. Means you can sit on your punches better.

ShahenshahG wrote:Tyson however was doing 120 kg at 15

Was watching a load of old training footage of him on Youtube yesterday evening, mind-blowing stuff. All taken from his Rooney and earlier days.

Really was an absolute freak.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:Tyson however was doing 120 kg at 15

Was watching a load of old training footage of him on Youtube yesterday evening, mind-blowing stuff. All taken from his Rooney and earlier days.

Really was an absolute freak.

Aye - my nephew does around 170 and he'll hit 19 this week but he's about 6 4 already and still growing. Tyson is about the same size as me.

Jabmachine aka Wladamir Mayweather haha

that's how you should fight mate.

Im more like Adonis Pacquiao!!

I tried shoulder rolling once. I got hit so hard I didn't do it again.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I tried shoulder rolling once. I got hit so hard I didn't do it again.

Berto is that you?

mobilemaster8 wrote:True. I think its a crock of Poopie personally. No offence champagne.

Professional rugby players tend to bench minimum 110kg for league standard so your almost there.

How are you that big and a footballer?

Im an ex semi pro footballer having played in Germany, i weighed 11st 10lbs and benched between 50-70kg on reps. We were advised no higher due to muscle mass depreciation thus resulting in loss of speed and agility......

seems a bit strange you bench reps of 105kg.....decent reps at that.....and your a footballer......odd.

I'm quite tall I'm 6ft 3 and weigh about 85-90 kilos. I used to be stuck on benching 90 kilos but I just changed my routine and my diet and training techniques and I have been able to add an extra 15 kilos to the bench.

Most footballers are quite weak but most defenders are quite big, mexes, micah richards christopher samba etc are all massive guys who play football.

I also read that increasing your upper body muscle mass increases speed. That;s the reason all 100 metre sprinters are built like tanks. Also dwaine chambers said in his autobiography that his 1 rep max on the bench press was 140 kilos so i'm guessing he probably benched 3 sets of 6 at about 115 kilos.

by bellchees Today at 6:44 pm
JabMachineMK2 wrote:
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I tried shoulder rolling once. I
got hit so hard I didn't do it
again.
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Berto is that you?"

Doubt it. his name is jabmachine, while Berto didn't know he had a left hand until his right arm broke.

Roberto Carlos, one of the fastest defenders in the world was a hair taller than 5'6. Obafemi Martins, again one of the quickest men in football, 5'8. Speed isn't all about upper body mass - its mainly from the legs. I'd have a better chance of running the 100m much quicker than say, Mike Tyson despite being scrawnier and smaller.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Roberto Carlos, one of the fastest defenders in the world was a hair taller than 5'6. Obafemi Martins, again one of the quickest men in football, 5'8. Speed isn't all about upper body mass - its mainly from the legs. I'd have a better chance of running the 100m much quicker than say, Mike Tyson despite being scrawnier and smaller.

I'm not talking about height I'm talking about upper body mass as in upper body strength eg muscle.

Also being taller does help speed wise because you have longer legs.

But I did a lot of research about speed because I used to play Right back and needed to be fast and nearly all sites suggest putting on more muscle on your upper body and it is the reason all 100m sprinters are have massive upper bodies.

Even in football cristiano ronaldo who is probably one of the fastest footballers has a lot of upper body muscle.

I'd have a better chance of running the 100m much quicker than say, Mike Tyson despite being scrawnier and smaller..

Especially if he was chasing armed with Butcher's knife and the look of love in his eye  

You're talking about guys who generally are sprinting from a moving start whereas a 100m runner needs explosive power to get himself off the blocks.

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You're talking about guys who generally are sprinting from a moving start whereas a 100m runner needs explosive power to get himself off the blocks.

I think the explosive power from a standing position or the blocks is from the legs and lower back.

Footballers need explosive power. The run in 20/30 bursts.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You're talking about guys who generally are sprinting from a moving start whereas a 100m runner needs explosive power to get himself off the blocks.

I think the explosive power from a standing position or the blocks is from the legs and lower back.

105kg is impressive......Form is the key though Mate......I go ultra slow on the neg....

Negs are so important..

bench bench bench!, one of the worst sport specific exercises you can do. its simply for the vain beach workout lads with skinny legs. dead lifting and squats are a much better test of strength using a lot more of your core.

but then again many of these lads cant pull any ladies on personality alone

compelling and rich wrote:bench bench bench!, one of the worst sport specific exercises you can do. its simply for the vain beach workout lads with skinny legs. dead lifting and squats are a much better test of strength using a lot more of your core.

but then again many of these lads cant pull any ladies on personality alone

Speaking from experience ?? 

just wondering when someone says they can bench press 80kg does that mean 80kg on each side or 40kg each side?

not into weight lifting

I find bicep-flexing shirtless used to pull more ladies than telling them what a great guy I am... Less effort too.

DynamiteChris wrote:just wondering when someone says they can bench press 80kg does that mean 80kg on each side or 40kg each side?

not into weight lifting

176 lbs...........

 stupid question!

not into weight lifting & haven't got a clue about kgs either! obviously

kingraf wrote:I find bicep-flexing shirtless used to pull more ladies than telling them what a great guy I am... Less effort too.

trick is finding a happy medium between the two, generally that's where you will find the better quality anyway. not sure why any women would be interested in men with bigger jubblies than them