Hagler: The Light Heavyweight

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As mentioned over numerous threads Marvins all time standing differs,a stick that we can beat Marvin with is the one of not stepping up to face Michael Spinks at LHW.

What is the general consensus on how we feel Hagler would've fared in an era from lets say the late 70s to the mid 80s? A strong era against some big strong LHWs , Dwight Qawi, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, John Conteh, Michael Spinks, Matthew Saad Muhammad & Marvin Johnson.

Is it a fanciful thought that Hagler may have lost to all these guys ?


Cheers Rodders

The fac tremains in conclusion..........Mayweather gets hammered for asking for catchweight whilst taking on top fighters whilst everybody loves watching marvin fight crud..........

Let's be honest Spinks was available and was interested..he never rated Hagler.......Remember when Leonard retired..in 83.

"Where have all the great fighters gone ..I guess I'm the last of the great fighters"

Truss you can't be upset at folk diminishing Mayweathers catchweight exploits, when you have heavily criticised Manny and refused to acknowledge some terrific wins, you can't have a special rule for your pet fighter.

Cheers Rodders

Hagler carved out an all-time great middleweight reign. He's ranked as one of the finest middleweight champions of all time. That was obviously more important to him than flitting about at different weights (looking for imaginary offers and paydays). If Spinks was so keen on a Hagler match, why didn't he drop to middleweight (where Hagler was the attraction) and get in line? Hagler would have obliged him. It's a one-eyed argument.
 
I don't believe Mayweather is criticised for requesting catch weights. His record (which is excellent) is light of top fighters in their prime and at their best weight (some of whom were available to him but he neglected to face). That's on him. Why try and sully the names of legitimately great fighters?
 
Lennox Lewis is in a similar position to Floyd (there's a better argument for you). He failed to meet Bowe (his ultimate challenge) and took on faded version of Holyfield and Tyson. The only thing he has over Floyd is that he didn't choose for that to be the case -- Lewis wanted to fight all of them.
 
I'm a huge Lewis fan but I rank him accordingly (not that my ranking means anything in the grand scheme of things).

No offence but you and Rod are two rose tinters who always look to put mayweather down.......

Hagler is overrated for me. I have Hoppo higher........Duran had it all against him when he took Hagler on but he took him on.........

25 pounds higher than where he started.......at 135..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:No offence but you and Rod are two rose tinters who always look to put mayweather down.......

Hagler is overrated for me.  I have Hoppo higher........Duran had it all against him when he took Hagler on but he took him on.........

25 pounds higher than where he started.......at 135..

Hopkins couldn't carry Hagler's jockstrap.

Hopkins ?

The same guy who was outfoxed by Jermain Taylor twice , Hagler one of the most complete fighters I've seen.

Cheers Rodders

Let's forget Spinks..........

"Hearns doesn't deserve another fight".............That was after the "Fight of the decade" and after Hearns banged out Shuler who was number 1 contender in the WBC and WBA..

Leonard and Mugabi deserved fights though.....

I think Hoppo deserves a little bit more credit than that......can't see him drawing with Vito.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Let's forget Spinks..........

"Hearns doesn't deserve another fight".............That was after the "Fight of the decade" and after Hearns banged out Shuler who was number 1 contender in the WBC and WBA..

Leonard and Mugabi deserved fights though.....

I think Hoppo deserves a little bit more credit than that......can't see him drawing with Vito.

You can see a boring spoiler like Hopkins getting a win in ITALY? What ARE you smoking big fella?

Even Leonard says that Marv was robbed against Vito and that it was a poor decision.

Behave yourself.

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Let's forget Spinks..........

"Hearns doesn't deserve another fight".............That was after the "Fight of the decade" and after Hearns banged out Shuler who was number 1 contender in the WBC and WBA..

Leonard and Mugabi deserved fights though.....

I think Hoppo deserves a little bit more credit than that......can't see him drawing with Vito.

You can see a boring spoiler like Hopkins getting a win in ITALY? What ARE you smoking big fella?

Even Leonard says that Marv was robbed against Vito and that it was a poor decision.

Behave yourself.

Vito fought him in America.......

Mate If you go on the main menu and scroll down you'll see "music" and "off topic" sections...........Just so you know..

My bad...apologies in order...anyway do you see Hopkins getting a four round win over him? When was the last time Hoppo took anyone out early?

Vito was horrendously cut early in the rematch...........and it was stopped on cuts..

So who caused the cuts? Shaving accident or Hagler? When does Hoppo bust someone up that badly they have to stop the fight?

You didn't know why it was stopped did you ??? 

Accidental clash of heads in the first but as I said, the fight still went four rounds so he was clearly able to continue. Marv put him down and opened another cut with punches.