Manny news

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Fri 13 May 2011, 6:54 pm

First topic message reminder :

Same as the Floyd thread any Manny news put on this thread to stop the board being cluttered.

by BALTIMORA Tue 17 May 2011, 9:14 pm

200th post! Woo!

by D4thincarnation Tue 17 May 2011, 9:15 pm

90/10 is not a figure I have just pulled out of thin air.

I though about this and examined both fighters strengths and weakness, there past match ups and current form. And what they do well against and what the have problems with.

I really find it very hard to see how Mayweather can beat Pacquiao.

Floyd must know what I know and that is the reason for his actions and the path he has chosen to go down.

by Lumbering_Jack Tue 17 May 2011, 9:18 pm

If you find it hard to see how Floyd beat Manny then you are clearly not a boxing fans.

Manny, at times, is far to easy to hit. Floyd is the fastest single shot fighter in boxing right now and unlike Manny, he uses it to great affect. He is very hard to hit cleanly, fast feet etc....

Have you noticed any of this.

by D4thincarnation Tue 17 May 2011, 9:19 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:If you find it hard to see how Floyd beat Manny then you are clearly not a boxing fans.

Manny, at times, is far to easy to hit. Floyd is the fastest single shot fighter in boxing right now and unlike Manny, he uses it to great affect. He is very hard to hit cleanly, fast feet etc....

Have you noticed any of this.

Who is the best atacking boxer in the sport?

by coxy0001 Tue 17 May 2011, 9:19 pm

Good thing you don't work for the bookies then as they've all Mayweather Jr as the favourite for this fight. Not by much, but he's still the favourite.

So in summary - your "in depth examinations" which result in you coming to a "90-10" conclusion are obviously the workings of an escaped mental patient.

by D4thincarnation Tue 17 May 2011, 9:21 pm

coxy0001 wrote:Good thing you don't work for the bookies then as they've all Mayweather Jr as the favourite for this fight. Not by much, but he's still the favourite.

So in summary - your "in depth examinations" which result in you coming to a "90-10" conclusion are obviously the workings of an escaped mental patient.

I thought the smart money would be on this fight not happening.

That what I should have bet a long time ago.

Should have had a monster bet on it.

by BALTIMORA Tue 17 May 2011, 9:25 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:90/10 is not a figure I have just pulled out of thin air.

I though about this and examined both fighters strengths and weakness, there past match ups and current form. And what they do well against and what the have problems with.

I really find it very hard to see how Mayweather can beat Pacquiao.

Floyd must know what I know and that is the reason for his actions and the path he has chosen to go down.

You're an utter mentalist, quite clearly. 90/10 is a figure you've pulled put of your pants, if not thin air. You're a consistent wind up, but I wouldn't try using that if ever you talk to a girl.

by Davie Tue 17 May 2011, 9:27 pm

Balti - you were, as far as I recall, one of the people who backed the idea of a separate manny thread.

If you don't want to read it then stay away. If you do decide to read it, please refrain from personal insults

by Adam D Tue 17 May 2011, 9:27 pm

Guys - Windy is having a well earned evening off from the boards. I just checked in and have seen that the banter is starting to get abusive.

We all understand that D4 likes Manny and praises his abilities to the high heavens but thats D4. There is no need to get abusive towards him - take a leaf out of coxys book (never thought I would say that!) - discuss it with him but just play nicely for the night please.

Windy will be back tomorrow - dont make him have to haul people over the coals after a night off.

Cheers

H

by BALTIMORA Tue 17 May 2011, 9:29 pm

Right, whatever.

by Lumbering_Jack Tue 17 May 2011, 9:48 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:If you find it hard to see how Floyd beat Manny then you are clearly not a boxing fans.

Manny, at times, is far to easy to hit. Floyd is the fastest single shot fighter in boxing right now and unlike Manny, he uses it to great affect. He is very hard to hit cleanly, fast feet etc....

Have you noticed any of this.

Who is the best atacking boxer in the sport?

Probably Manny, in the same way Floyd is the best defensively.

I honestly think the first 4 rounds would be close, then Floyd would make Manny eat numerous counter shots for the rest if the fight.

by Peacehavenboy Tue 17 May 2011, 10:24 pm

Same way that Floyd owned Shane, Manny got his ass beat to the canvas in the 10th! Looked very poor..

by Scottrf Tue 17 May 2011, 10:25 pm

Peacehavenboy wrote:Same way that Floyd owned Shane, Manny got his ass beat to the canvas in the 10th! Looked very poor..

Sure he did

by Peacehavenboy Tue 17 May 2011, 10:28 pm

That's what I saw.....

by Scottrf Tue 17 May 2011, 10:33 pm

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by Peacehavenboy Tue 17 May 2011, 10:34 pm

Did or did not Mannys ass touch the canvas because of Shane? Floyd destroyed Shane!!

by Scottrf Tue 17 May 2011, 10:42 pm

http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/People-Think-Youre-Funny-1287.jpg

by D4thincarnation Tue 17 May 2011, 10:54 pm

Peacehavenboy wrote:Same way that Floyd owned Shane, Manny got his ass beat to the canvas in the 10th! Looked very poor..

So Shane stand on Manny's foot and pushes him over and you get, "Manny got his ass beat to the canvas".

Maybe you also though that was a great one two punch combination Judah gave to Mayweather to make him double over in the 10th of there fight.

by BALTIMORA Tue 17 May 2011, 10:56 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
Peacehavenboy wrote:Same way that Floyd owned Shane, Manny got his ass beat to the canvas in the 10th! Looked very poor..

So Shane stand on Manny's foot and pushes him over and you get, "Manny got his ass beat to the canvas".

Maybe you also though that was a great one two punch combination Judah gave to Mayweather to make him double over in the 10th of there fight.

You've been gone awhile. What was it, a long Tommy tank because all this talk of Manny was too much?

by D4thincarnation Tue 17 May 2011, 10:56 pm

Peacehavenboy wrote:Did or did not Mannys ass touch the canvas because of Shane? Floyd destroyed Shane!!

Was Floyd in trouble and had to hold on against Shane?

Was Manny in trouble and had to hold on against Shane?

Who did Shane land the most punches against, Floyd or Manny?

Who landed more punches on Shane, Floyd or Manny?

by D4thincarnation Tue 17 May 2011, 10:58 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
Peacehavenboy wrote:Same way that Floyd owned Shane, Manny got his ass beat to the canvas in the 10th! Looked very poor..

So Shane stand on Manny's foot and pushes him over and you get, "Manny got his ass beat to the canvas".

Maybe you also though that was a great one two punch combination Judah gave to Mayweather to make him double over in the 10th of there fight.

You've been gone awhile. What was it, a long Tommy tank because all this talk of Manny was too much?

I see you have missed me Hug

Have you just been sitting around waiting till I posted again.
Shocked

by BALTIMORA Tue 17 May 2011, 11:01 pm

That's the one. The coke's all gone and I've strangled the hookers.

by Peacehavenboy Wed 18 May 2011, 10:17 am

D4thincarnation wrote:
Peacehavenboy wrote:Did or did not Mannys ass touch the canvas because of Shane? Floyd destroyed Shane!!

Was Floyd in trouble and had to hold on against Shane? No he was just taking a breather
Was Manny in trouble and had to hold on against Shane? No but Manny got knocked down and recovered wellWho did Shane land the most punches against, Floyd or Manny? He nearly knocked Manny clean out
Who landed more punches on Shane, Floyd or Manny?

Manny was swinging wildly and Floyd put on a masterclass

by Peacehavenboy Wed 18 May 2011, 10:26 am

D4, I think I saw you say that Manny was the most devastating puncher in WW history... How many people has Manny knocked out at 147lbs? Just curious...

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 11:19 am

D4

Sorry to be the bearer of breaking your little fantasy again:

Mosley threw 122 more punches against Floyd. You claimed he was shot and out of condition for that fight. He's on 39 year old legs, the first 2 rounds before he was tagged revealed he threw 35 punches at most in either round, in only 3 rounds against Mayweather did he throw less than that.

Conclusion is he came into the fight knowing he was shot to **** and the whole didn't fancy it after the power etc is balloney as he DIDNT come out swinging in the first 2 rounds before he got hit LIKE COTTO DID.

Manny beat a guy that was Floyds leftovers and was even further on the slide than you previously gave him credit for.

Mosley threw a whopping 80 power punches against Manny yet against Floyd this output was over double.

Seems to me that if Mosley was any more shot he'd have been dead.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:23 pm

Peacehavenboy wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
Peacehavenboy wrote:Did or did not Mannys ass touch the canvas because of Shane? Floyd destroyed Shane!!

Was Floyd in trouble and had to hold on against Shane? No he was just taking a breather
Was Manny in trouble and had to hold on against Shane? No but Manny got knocked down and recovered wellWho did Shane land the most punches against, Floyd or Manny? He nearly knocked Manny clean out
Who landed more punches on Shane, Floyd or Manny?
Manny was swinging wildly and Floyd put on a masterclass

Taking a couple of breathers in the 2nd round have a couple of big right hands, Floyd has really bad conditioning then.

Why did the ref apologise to Manny and Roach for making a mistake and calling it a knockdown. Do you know what a knockdown is?

Not answering the question. Who did Shane land the most punches against, Floyd or Manny?

Or this question: Who landed more punches on Shane, Floyd or Manny?

by Lumbering_Jack Wed 18 May 2011, 12:25 pm

Who won with relative ease against Marquez...

Comparing the Shane that fought Floyd to the Shane that fought Manny is laughable, just as it is comparing the Marquez that fought each of them.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:27 pm

coxy0001 wrote:D4

Sorry to be the bearer of breaking your little fantasy again:

Mosley threw 122 more punches against Floyd. You claimed he was shot and out of condition for that fight. He's on 39 year old legs, the first 2 rounds before he was tagged revealed he threw 35 punches at most in either round, in only 3 rounds against Mayweather did he throw less than that.

Conclusion is he came into the fight knowing he was shot to **** and the whole didn't fancy it after the power etc is balloney as he DIDNT come out swinging in the first 2 rounds before he got hit LIKE COTTO DID.

Manny beat a guy that was Floyds leftovers and was even further on the slide than you previously gave him credit for.

Mosley threw a whopping 80 power punches against Manny yet against Floyd this output was over double.

Seems to me that if Mosley was any more shot he'd have been dead.

The simply fact Mosley was scared of Pacquiao's power as most fighters are and they are more defensive when facing him because they know when they throw they are open to the most devasting puncher in boxing right now.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:28 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Who won with relative ease against Marquez...

Comparing the Shane that fought Floyd to the Shane that fought Manny is laughable, just as it is comparing the Marquez that fought each of them.

The Shane that fought Manny was in much better condition, no ring rust no overtraining and didn't gas out after 3 rounds.

by Lumbering_Jack Wed 18 May 2011, 12:29 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:D4

Sorry to be the bearer of breaking your little fantasy again:

Mosley threw 122 more punches against Floyd. You claimed he was shot and out of condition for that fight. He's on 39 year old legs, the first 2 rounds before he was tagged revealed he threw 35 punches at most in either round, in only 3 rounds against Mayweather did he throw less than that.

Conclusion is he came into the fight knowing he was shot to **** and the whole didn't fancy it after the power etc is balloney as he DIDNT come out swinging in the first 2 rounds before he got hit LIKE COTTO DID.

Manny beat a guy that was Floyds leftovers and was even further on the slide than you previously gave him credit for.

Mosley threw a whopping 80 power punches against Manny yet against Floyd this output was over double.

Seems to me that if Mosley was any more shot he'd have been dead.

The simply fact Mosley was scared of Pacquiao's power as most fighters are and they are more defensive when facing him because they know when they throw they are open to the most devasting puncher in boxing right now.

How when was Manny last KO of a welter weight. Cotto, nope, DLH, nope, Clottey, nope, Mosely, nope, Marg, nope...

Massive puncher...

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:34 pm

Mosley: Pacquiao is the hardest puncher he has faced
Clottey: Pacquiao is the hardest puncher he has faced
Margarito: Pacquiao ended his career.
Cotto: Nobody hit Cotto harder than Pacquiao.

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 18 May 2011, 12:36 pm

Mosley's comments count for squat. First thing which goes in a totally shot fighter, ( which Mosley is, ) is his punch resistance.

by Imperial Ghosty Wed 18 May 2011, 12:37 pm

Yet Cotto put Clottey down whereas Pacquiao couldn't
Mosley knocked Margarito out which Pacquaio didn't
Cotto was stopped quicker by Margarito
Mosley was knocked down far harder 10 years ago by Forrest

The facts don't back up your stance do they?

by Lumbering_Jack Wed 18 May 2011, 12:39 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Mosley: Pacquiao is the hardest puncher he has faced
Clottey: Pacquiao is the hardest puncher he has faced
Margarito: Pacquiao ended his career.
Cotto: Nobody hit Cotto harder than Pacquiao.

Mosely was old and shot. The older you get the less punch resistance you have.

Clottey, never remotely in trouble.

Marg was taken out by Mosely, Manny had 12 rounds of free shots to put him down and he failed.

Cotto was taken out earlier by plodder Marg.

I think the facts speak for themselves.

by Peacehavenboy Wed 18 May 2011, 12:39 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
Peacehavenboy wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
Peacehavenboy wrote:Did or did not Mannys ass touch the canvas because of Shane? Floyd destroyed Shane!!

Was Floyd in trouble and had to hold on against Shane? No he was just taking a breather
Was Manny in trouble and had to hold on against Shane? No but Manny got knocked down and recovered wellWho did Shane land the most punches against, Floyd or Manny? He nearly knocked Manny clean out
Who landed more punches on Shane, Floyd or Manny?
Manny was swinging wildly and Floyd put on a masterclass

Taking a couple of breathers in the 2nd round have a couple of big right hands, Floyd has really bad conditioning then. OK
Why did the ref apologise to Manny and Roach for making a mistake and calling it a knockdown. Do you know what a knockdown is? Manny was put on his pants and given an 8 count so that his head could clear. FACT
Not answering the question. Who did Shane land the most punches against, Floyd or Manny?

Or this question: Who landed more punches on Shane, Floyd or Manny?

by The Galveston Giant Wed 18 May 2011, 12:44 pm

Peacehavenboy wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
Peacehavenboy wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
Peacehavenboy wrote:Did or did not Mannys ass touch the canvas because of Shane? Floyd destroyed Shane!!

Was Floyd in trouble and had to hold on against Shane? No he was just taking a breather
Was Manny in trouble and had to hold on against Shane? No but Manny got knocked down and recovered wellWho did Shane land the most punches against, Floyd or Manny? He nearly knocked Manny clean out
Who landed more punches on Shane, Floyd or Manny?
Manny was swinging wildly and Floyd put on a masterclass

Taking a couple of breathers in the 2nd round have a couple of big right hands, Floyd has really bad conditioning then. OK
Why did the ref apologise to Manny and Roach for making a mistake and calling it a knockdown. Do you know what a knockdown is? Manny was put on his pants and given an 8 count so that his head could clear. FACT
Not answering the question. Who did Shane land the most punches against, Floyd or Manny?

Or this question: Who landed more punches on Shane, Floyd or Manny?

The only legitimate knockdown in that fight was when Manny put Shane down, which Floyd couldn't do.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:48 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:Mosley's comments count for squat. First thing which goes in a totally shot fighter, ( which Mosley is, ) is his punch resistance.

Morales punch resilience seems to be fine, And Mosley never seem to have any problem with punch resistence before.

And it is cross referencing all Pacquiao opponent and what he has done in fights to realised he is a huge puncher.

It is undeniable.

by Scottrf Wed 18 May 2011, 12:50 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:Mosley's comments count for squat. First thing which goes in a totally shot fighter, ( which Mosley is, ) is his punch resistance.

Which is what I said when Solis remarked on Gamboa's power, but people questioned it then.

by Imperial Ghosty Wed 18 May 2011, 12:51 pm

It's deniable when you consider the facts of seeing what's actually happened with my own eyes, his a decent puncher at Welterweight but nothing particularly special

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:54 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:It's deniable when you consider the facts of seeing what's actually happened with my own eyes, his a decent puncher at Welterweight but nothing particularly special

Who is the biggest puncher at welterweight?

by Imperial Ghosty Wed 18 May 2011, 12:55 pm

Mosley was by quite a considerable way, Berto and Ortiz are also probably bigger punchers

by Peacehavenboy Wed 18 May 2011, 12:58 pm

Floyd has stopped more people at 147lbs than Manny so maybe Floyd is the biggest puncher at WW??

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 18 May 2011, 1:01 pm

Scottrf wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:Mosley's comments count for squat. First thing which goes in a totally shot fighter, ( which Mosley is, ) is his punch resistance.
Which is what I said when Solis remarked on Gamboa's power, but people questioned it then.

Not sure that I argued with you, Scott, though I don't recall the contest, to be honest. In any event, your stance in these issues is always thoroughly consistent, and while you can clearly see a disproportionate backlash against all things Manny here at 606v2 ( as can I, being neutral, ) I'm sure that you recognize that it is, indeed, a backlash to the thoroughly inconsistent and oft repeated counterpart.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 1:02 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:Mosley was by quite a considerable way, Berto and Ortiz are also probably bigger punchers

by Imperial Ghosty Wed 18 May 2011, 1:03 pm

Who exactly has Manny knocked out at Welterweight then?

by Boxtthis Wed 18 May 2011, 1:06 pm

Quite ironic that in d4s attempts to promote Manny he seems to have created a whole legion of Pacquiao detractors.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 1:07 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:Who exactly has Manny knocked out at Welterweight then?

It's clear from your previous statement you are just on the wind up or you just got an agenda against Pacquiao for some reason.

I going to see if I can find any legitimate "Manny News"

by Imperial Ghosty Wed 18 May 2011, 1:08 pm

I'm being serious, who has Pacquiao actually knocked out at Welterweight?

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 18 May 2011, 1:09 pm

Boxtthis wrote:Quite ironic that in d4s attempts to promote Manny he seems to have created a whole legion of Pacquiao detractors.

Bingo !

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 1:17 pm

http://www.boxingscene.com/steward-miguel-cotto-still-wants-piece-pacquaio--39293

With the end of Margarito, Cotto misses out of revenge from the man who stopped him first but he still eyes a rematch with Pacquiao.

Since the defeat to Pacquiao Cotto has his career back on track, teaming up with legendary trainer Manny Steward, going up to light middle and becoming champion and making a defence of that title against Mayorga.

So how would the rematch go, is this a fight you would want to see?

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