Scott Quigg Retains WBA Title.

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By Paul Hampton

The show was called “Carpe Diem”, but questions remained whether Scott Quigg could seize the day, and finally call himself a true world champion.

Scott Quigg was up against Yoandris Solina, the Cuban amatuer star, for the WBA Super Bantamweight Title recently vacated by Guillermo Rigondeaux. Both fighters where unbeaten and it was expected that the Cuban would give Quigg his hardest test to date, his slippery style and experience from over 300 amatuer fights was bound to have some influence on this fight.

It was a cagey start to the fight, both fighters trying to establish control through the jab, and it was the Cuban that was able to gain some elements of control earlier. It became clear early that the Englishman was going to have to through combinations and push the tempo to unsettle his opponent, as the battle of the jabs was only going one way.  A body shot troubled Salinas in the second, causing him to complain to the referee that it was an illegal shot, but early on the raiding tactics used by Quigg meant the fight was at a slow pace allowing Salinas time to pick his shots and fight the way he wanted too.

Going in to the fourth Quigg started to up the pace, landing little but clearly outworking his opponent. Yet again Salinas found an answer in the sixth, keeping Quigg on the end of a sharp, accurate jab not allowing him to up the pace or get close enough to land.

As the rounds went on Quigg started to up the pace again, unsettling Salinas and forcing him to stand and trade going in to the eleventh round. Quigg was thumping home body shots at this point, but there was an anxious moment for the crowd and for Eddie Hearn at ringside as he was sent tumbling to the canvas in the final round, only for it be correctly ruled a slip by the referee.

As the bell went both fighters claimed victory, celebrating with their corners and acknowledging what had been a fantastic crowd at the O2, the scores read;   judge: Jean-Louis Legland 114-114,  judge: Leszek Jankowiak 114-114,  judge: Ruben M. Garcia 115-113.

“I feel I won the fight,” said Quigg afterwards. “I feel I won it by a round or two rounds.

“I stuck to the gameplan for five or six rounds. We knew we were going to be sharp early on and I couldn’t have gone how I did in the last five rounds like that from the start because I would have been picked off.

“We stuck to the plan. It felt like I was in control all the way through. Obviously I’m gutted that I didn’t get the win.

“I’ve just been in with a world class fighter. He had 300 odd amateur and I had 12 and I belong at world level and I think I just proved that.”

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Rowley wrote:Do feel for Scott. Does seem a little odd that the sport is pretty much screwed in so many ways, the belt nonsense being just one among a litany of things we could get wound up about, such as number one contenders who have done nothing to deserve it, promoters who have governing bodies in their pockets, judges who do not have the first clue what they are doing, hometown decisions left right and centre but it is this issue we choose to get all wound up about.

Has Quigg really done anything worse than we see every other day in the sport. He got an opportunity to get a belt and took it. Through doing so he will increase his marketability, purses and should he rack up a couple of three defences his chances of being considered a viable option for Rigo will surely be increased which is in theory what we all appear to want to see happen. In an ideal world there would only be one belt and a shot would be earned by becoming number one contender but let’s not delude ourselves over this issue, those days are long since passed.

If you're ever bored (as in really bored) try and trace an alphabet belt back to its origin -- comical stuff.

hazharrison wrote:

Rowley wrote:Do feel for Scott. Does seem a little odd that the sport is pretty much screwed in so many ways, the belt nonsense being just one among a litany of things we could get wound up about, such as number one contenders who have done nothing to deserve it, promoters who have governing bodies in their pockets, judges who do not have the first clue what they are doing, hometown decisions left right and centre but it is this issue we choose to get all wound up about.

Has Quigg really done anything worse than we see every other day in the sport. He got an opportunity to get a belt and took it. Through doing so he will increase his marketability, purses and should he rack up a couple of three defences his chances of being considered a viable option for Rigo will surely be increased which is in theory what we all appear to want to see happen. In an ideal world there would only be one belt and a shot would be earned by becoming number one contender but let’s not delude ourselves over this issue, those days are long since passed.

If you're ever bored (as in really bored) try and trace an alphabet belt back to its origin -- comical stuff.

Think I would rather try and find a subject on here that azania agrees with the majority on to be honest.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:These ratings are about as good as you'll get (since Ring Magazine imploded):

http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

The Champions as recognised by the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board:

Heavyweight Wladimir Klitschko UKR
Light Heavyweight Adonis Stevenson HAI
Super Middleweight Andre Ward USA
Middleweight Sergio Martinez ARG
Junior Middleweight Floyd Mayweather, Jr. USA
Junior Welterweight Danny Garcia USA
Junior Featherweight Guillermo Rigondeaux CUB
Flyweight Akira Yaegashi JPN

Don't see how Floyd can be the LMW champ.  He didn't fight at 154.

Which would surely mean he is at 147 fighter, which would make him that division's champ ahead of Garcia.

You don't HAVE to weight 154 lbs. to be a light middleweight. That's just the limit. The fight took place at light middleweight.

It took place at a 152 catchweight.  It was not a LMW contest.  Of course you don't HAVE to weigh 154 for it to be a 154 fight, but you have to be ABLE to weigh that much. If Floyd wanted to be considered a true LMW titlist he shouldn't have discredited the fight with a catchweight.

Light middleweight is anything over 147 lbs and under (OR AT) 154 lbs (66.7–69.9 kg). You could weigh 147 lbs and an ounce if you wanted to and you'd still be a light middleweight.

Which is why it wasn't an official LMW fight.

Officially it was, as it took place between 147-154 lbs.

I'm going to frame this thread. If it's this difficult on a specialist boxing board then Joe Blow has no chance.

It didn't take place between 147 and 154 though, did it? It took place between 147 and 152.  Basically your argument makes all weight classes redundant.

Last time I checked -- 152 lbs was between 147 and 154 lbs. They fought at a catch weight within those limits.

catchweight wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:The weight on the night is more relevant in my opinion.

Go and make your own governing body then.

ok

That would make a GREAT spoof documentary. You'd totally get away with it. It would be pure gold.

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

 
No because the bout took place at 168 lbs.

Dawson's light heavyweight championship wasn't up for grabs (hence the fact Stevenson is now the champion).

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

Leonard-Lalonde? Champions can have non title fights though. Depends what the weight limit is set at.

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

Leonard-Lalonde? Champions can have non title fights though. Depends what the weight limit is set at.

They weighed in twice at two different limits (load of old cobblers but that's how they justified it).

hazharrison wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:The weight on the night is more relevant in my opinion.

Go and make your own governing body then.

ok

That would make a GREAT spoof documentary. You'd totally get away with it. It would be pure gold.

I had a look there. Unfortunately it seems to have been done several times already. They are all called IBO, WBU, IBU, WBO and so on.

hazharrison wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

Leonard-Lalonde? Champions can have non title fights though. Depends what the weight limit is set at.

They weighed in twice at two different limits (load of old cobblers but that's how they justified it).

That doesn't matter. Heavyweight is the only division with a minimum weight.

Scottrf wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

Leonard-Lalonde? Champions can have non title fights though. Depends what the weight limit is set at.

They weighed in twice at two different limits (load of old cobblers but that's how they justified it).

That doesn't matter. Heavyweight is the only division with a minimum weight.

Minimumweight has a maximum weight limit.

You can both agree to disagree........... 

Tell you what is comical........Quigg's belt.............Gets given in it without fighting and then defends it without winning........

I'm afraid the tactics were all wrong...........You can't give away 4 rounds of a 12 round fight.........For the simple fact you have to factor in maybe you get caught off balance and suffer a 10-8 round and need the other rounds to draw..........The Cuban boxed superbly in the 6th and made sure he had 5 rounds in the bank..........So it was contentious from there on in......

Getting sick of that disgraceful commentator............

"The Cuban is not worthy champion If he wins it" - Who the f££k are you to say what a worthy champ is........

"He's spoiling Jim and I don't like it"............So what !!

when that Olympian Campbell got a soft knockdown "ha ha it's going to count though"

Funnily enough two months ago it was......

"That's a disgrace Jim he didn't hit Barker and he's given a knockdown..The referee is a disgrace"......."Yes it was a knockdown we couldn't see it properly".......

You are the pits............................

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

 
No because the bout took place at 168 lbs.

Dawson's light heavyweight championship wasn't up for grabs (hence the fact Stevenson is now the champion).

But it's the exact same scenario as the picture you're trying to paint. Only difference is some discredited governing body didn't stick the belt on the line.

Ward fought the LHW champ at a weight below the LHW limit where the LHW champ could not fight at the LHW limit.

Floyd fought the LMW champ at a weight below the LMW limit when the LMW champ could not fight at the LMW limit.

Don Lalonde fought there Toppy............and lost his 175 belt.......

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

 
No because the bout took place at 168 lbs.

Dawson's light heavyweight championship wasn't up for grabs (hence the fact Stevenson is now the champion).

But it's the exact same scenario as the picture you're trying to paint. Only difference is some discredited governing body didn't stick the belt on the line.

Ward fought the LHW champ at a weight below the LHW limit where the LHW champ could not fight at the LHW limit.

Floyd fought the LMW champ at a weight below the LMW limit when the LMW champ could not fight at the LMW limit.

Alvarez could have came in at 154, the title would still be on the line.

The catchweight is a contract issue, nothing to do with titles, nothing to do with sanctioning bodies.

Choosing to fight in a different division isn't the same scenario.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

 
No because the bout took place at 168 lbs.

Dawson's light heavyweight championship wasn't up for grabs (hence the fact Stevenson is now the champion).

But it's the exact same scenario as the picture you're trying to paint. Only difference is some discredited governing body didn't stick the belt on the line.

Ward fought the LHW champ at a weight below the LHW limit where the LHW champ could not fight at the LHW limit.

Floyd fought the LMW champ at a weight below the LMW limit when the LMW champ could not fight at the LMW limit.

Ward and Dawson fought within the super middleweight division.

Mayweather and Alvarez fought within the light middleweight division.

Did Mayweather want the belt...............I imagine like Leonard If he said he wanted the belt it would have been on the line........

He doesn't need any belts because as we've seen with young Quigg they are pointless..

People want meaningful fights not alphabet soup.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You can both agree to disagree........... 

Tell you what is comical........Quigg's belt.............Gets given in it without fighting and then defends it without winning........

I'm afraid the tactics were all wrong...........You can't give away 4 rounds of a 12 round fight.........For the simple fact you have to factor in maybe you get caught off balance and suffer a 10-8 round and need the other rounds to draw..........The Cuban boxed superbly in the 6th and made sure he had 5 rounds in the bank..........So it was contentious from there on in......

Getting sick of that disgraceful commentator............

"The Cuban is not worthy champion If he wins it" - Who the f££k are you to say what a worthy champ is........

"He's spoiling Jim and I don't like it"............So what !!

when that Olympian Campbell got a soft knockdown "ha ha it's going to count though"

Funnily enough two months ago it was......

"That's a disgrace Jim he didn't hit Barker and he's given a knockdown..The referee is a disgrace"......."Yes it was a knockdown we couldn't see it properly".......

You are the pits............................

Nick Halling. Truly awful. And it wasn't a one-off either. He's consistently poor.

Jim Watt gets wellied all over by fans but he at least knows what he's talking about despite his at times pedantic rambles.

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

 
No because the bout took place at 168 lbs.

Dawson's light heavyweight championship wasn't up for grabs (hence the fact Stevenson is now the champion).

But it's the exact same scenario as the picture you're trying to paint. Only difference is some discredited governing body didn't stick the belt on the line.

Ward fought the LHW champ at a weight below the LHW limit where the LHW champ could not fight at the LHW limit.

Floyd fought the LMW champ at a weight below the LMW limit when the LMW champ could not fight at the LMW limit.

Ward and Dawson fought within the super middleweight division.

Mayweather and Alvarez fought within the light middleweight division.

Ok, fine, twist it to whichever way suits your argument. Doesn't bother me if people want to give fighters accreditations they had no interest in earning.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:@Haz

Can you answer my question re Ward and Dawson? When Ward beat him did he become LHW champ as well as SMW, since he beat the undisputed divisional LHW champ at the time?

 
No because the bout took place at 168 lbs.

Dawson's light heavyweight championship wasn't up for grabs (hence the fact Stevenson is now the champion).

But it's the exact same scenario as the picture you're trying to paint. Only difference is some discredited governing body didn't stick the belt on the line.

Ward fought the LHW champ at a weight below the LHW limit where the LHW champ could not fight at the LHW limit.

Floyd fought the LMW champ at a weight below the LMW limit when the LMW champ could not fight at the LMW limit.

Ward and Dawson fought within the super middleweight division.

Mayweather and Alvarez fought within the light middleweight division.

Ok, fine, twist it to whichever way suits your argument.  Doesn't bother me if people want to give fighters accreditations they had no interest in earning.

I haven't twisted anything. Those are the facts.

No, they're a perversion of the facts.

You don't accept the fact that a catchweight has nothing to do with the sanctioning of the bout, but is a feature of the contracts?

No, I do get that scott, sorry for keeping ignoring you making that point. I genuinely didn't realise Canelo could've come in at 154 and still won (or lost, as the case may be) the belts.

However, the question here quite specifically isn't about who won what belt as the debate as arisen from the lunacy of the modern day belt system and arbitrary nature multiple bodies decide to hand them out.

What's being discussed is who is the genuine 'champion' at each weight. And for that I don't believe catchweight fights count. You want to be genuine 154 champ, you fight in an unencumbered 154 bout.

Surely If a fighter agrees to come in at a weight and put his belt on the line then that is all that matters........

Semantics..........Why not refuse to put your belt on the line If the ring is 19 x19ft instead of 20 x 20.......

If champion and challenger are happy..........Then like Leonard-Lalonde let them fight for a belt.....

Nobody cares about belts anyway...........Unless you are a useless warren fighter who needs a belt to trade with..

People know where the beef is..

Exactly, nobody cares about the belts.

One of Floyd's most endearing feature has been his recent habit of giving the finger to the sanctioning bodies, saying he doesn't need to pay them a fee to know who the best is. Quite right too.

That doesn't mean fighting at a catchweight makes him divisional champ though, same as it didn't Manny @ 151lbs.

It doesn't however particularly enhance Alvarez case to considered as such though.......

Seeing as he was far and away number 1..........People can make up their own minds up as to who should be top...

Manny fought Margarito an unranked fighter, Mayweather is the lineal champion at light middleweight.

Which is why it was silly (as well as hypocritical) of Floyd to demand the catchweight.

He could've fought at 154, won fine still, and been a legitimate 154 champ.

He was worried about Alvarez ballooning up...........Easy to say after the event...

I remember Bobby Czyz avoiding a fight with John Collins who was a big punching middle back in the 80s..........Your very own Tony sibson stepped in and slammed him........Czyz said "If I'd known he was that bad I'd have done it myself".......

I'm sure Wlad would have had an extra two weeks holiday before Haye If he'd known he wasn't going to put up much of an effort..

Povetkins tin pot belt was vacated at the weekend. Maybe Hearn should have Joshua fight for it and then tell anyone who'll listen that he is the champion of the world!!!

Joshua would have a good chance If he did............That tells you all you need to know about the blue riband division these days.

I like Joshua. I dont get why people find him boring. Didnt deserve to get past the first round of the Olympics though.

In fairness a couple of your Olympians were given gifts........I recall a Brit looking all sullen before a decision and then getting it against an Italian kid........

In fairness the LA olympics where we got nine golds was a joke..........especially Tate-O'sullivan..........though Park-Jones is the worst I've ever seen.......

Something really nauseating about Amateur kids being stuffed........

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Povetkins tin pot belt was vacated at the weekend....

This is like the second or third time Wlad has beaten a WBA Heavyweight World Champion. He must be the WBA Unified Super World Heavyweight Champion by now. He should vacate his Regular Super World Heavyweight Championship title.

I thought he looked good on Saturday. Hope he can keep up the good work.

catchweight wrote:I like Joshua. I dont get why people find him boring. Didnt deserve to get past the first round of the Olympics though.

Not sure about that but the Cuban fella could definitely feel hard done by just to get that draw! Worst seedings ever.

Loved the comment from Nick Halling during the commentry as well: "Salinas hasn't never fought a world class fighter"

Whereas Quigg has???

Oh the old Az theory that if you fight a world class fighter, you become one....Rendall Monroe must be the world class fighter associated with Quigg.

Well Munroe does actually hold wins over two current world champions I believe, he was at one time one of the best 122lbers in the world.

Cheers Hammersmith. Fools will always be blinded by their own ignorance.

KingMonkey wrote:

catchweight wrote:I like Joshua. I dont get why people find him boring. Didnt deserve to get past the first round of the Olympics though.

Not sure about that but the Cuban fella could definitely feel hard done by just to get that draw!  Worst seedings ever.

Looked to me like the Cuban guy won at the time.

So you must be one of the people who agreed with that rubbish Aussie commentator claimed "when you beat a legend you become one".....Munroe was a shell when Quigg fought him. Got embarrassed by the jap and was fighting cans. But yea if you say Munroe was world class at the point Quigg fought him then more fool you.

Did you watch that fight or read about it just Az?

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Povetkins tin pot belt was vacated at the weekend. Maybe Hearn should have Joshua fight for it and then tell anyone who'll listen that he is the champion of the world!!!

Wouldn't be surprised to see Haye vs Fury now be contested for the 'WBA second rate regular average heavyweight championship'

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:So you must be one of the people who agreed with that rubbish Aussie commentator claimed "when you beat a legend you become one".....Munroe was a shell when Quigg fought him. Got embarrassed by the jap and was fighting cans. But yea if you say Munroe was world class at the point Quigg fought him then more fool you.

Did you watch that fight or read about it just Az?

Your missus told me about the fight.

How was Munroe a shell? He would have beaten framton easily.

No he wouldn't have beaten Frampton easily, he'd probably have lost but on points.

azania wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:So you must be one of the people who agreed with that rubbish Aussie commentator claimed "when you beat a legend you become one".....Munroe was a shell when Quigg fought him. Got embarrassed by the jap and was fighting cans. But yea if you say Munroe was world class at the point Quigg fought him then more fool you.

Did you watch that fight or read about it just Az?

Your missus told me about the fight.

How was Munroe a shell? He would have beaten framton easily.  

Who's Framton? You read about him somewhere?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:No he wouldn't have beaten Frampton easily, he'd probably have lost but on points.

He wouldn't know mate, he's only read about Munroe's fights. Hasn't actually seen any.

azania wrote:I know what the term is. But with the plethora of belts the meaning has widened, hence Froch qualifies.

Your referring to undisputed world champions.. you have to fight everyone who is good (usually) to become an undisputed world champ.
But you only need to win A title to become a world champ in accordance to that organisation...

Froch is a worthy world champ and certainly Ward is. they are both world champs, the next step would be to see who is the undisputed. Most already except its Ward. But until he fights Froch again with his 2 belts, then its opinion.

Talk about half assed logic. No wonder there are so many world titles.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

azania wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:So you must be one of the people who agreed with that rubbish Aussie commentator claimed "when you beat a legend you become one".....Munroe was a shell when Quigg fought him. Got embarrassed by the jap and was fighting cans. But yea if you say Munroe was world class at the point Quigg fought him then more fool you.

Did you watch that fight or read about it just Az?

Your missus told me about the fight.

How was Munroe a shell? He would have beaten framton easily.  

Who's Framton? You read about him somewhere?

Your missus told me about him. Said I was better.

Ya mum.

Yo momma