Lancaster Loses Plot

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Stuart Lancaster. Care-taker coach. Largely seen as a stable if unspectacular stop gap whilst England courted an international coach of class who wouldn't shudder at the prospect. Possibly Jake White, Eddie Jones or Wayne Smith?

But with a surprise victory over an off-colour All Blacks he found himself in the position of a little known band hitting the #1 spot with a surprise novelty song.  Like the DJ Psy of the rugby world, the Gangnam Style England galloped to an unlikely success over NZ and now Stuart Lancaster finds himself in the unfortunate spot of having to concoct that difficult second album.

He came close to a 6N triumph, but ultimately his backing singers revealed their innate lack of harmonic dexterity and were well out of key as they were thumped by a passionate Wales and brought back to Earth with a resounding thud that still echoes today from the wide stellar orbit that their accidental trajectory had propelled them to.

Lancaster needs to look to the very values that made him the right man in the right place all those months ago. His grounded, back to basics approach and rigorous attention to disciplining the out of control England set up. Frankly this astral nonsense that he has allowed himself to be carried away with: flying half way around the world for a rugby lesson from teams with vastly more proficient resources to call upon, visiting NZ to "absorb the culture of success" and interrogating Brian Lochore for insight into the AB mindset is an absurd exercise in unchecked self delusion of Woodwardian proportion.

Someone at RFU HQ needs to pull the guy aside and put a flea in his ear: He didn't base his "revolution" in English rugby on whimsy and wishing on a falling star, he did it by grounding a flailing outfit who's collective personality had become so over-blown that it had obscured its own judgement.

""I want to do more work with the players on the culture and identity of England, to talk about it with them and see it grow".

Leave it out Stu. Just get the scrum ready for the new engagement rules, the defense aligned and prepare the back line with some set piece moves.

Yes good points..

It is ok to lose your kettle as long as you have a 24 hour tesco close by to replace it in a tea emergency, like if the queen decided to pop by unexpectedly at 4:00 am

or the queen's nephew, tindall, looking for somewhere to bury his face

quinsforever wrote:or the queen's nephew, tindall, looking for somewhere to bury his face

Yes you will have to remember to keep in good supply of silicone cushions

"Let me put it to you this way, I'd rather have a case of the clap, than a case of that wine"

quinsforever wrote:or the queen's nephew, tindall, looking for somewhere to bury his face

need a big hole to just get the nose in...

I think you guys aren't taking this thread seriously at all.

In danger of getting on topic. I think the cultural importing thing is no bad thing. Look at the Spanish football team. Most people think tiki-taka is inherently Spanish because they're all a bunch of hobbits, but they were blood and thunder merchants until the Dutch taught them possession football.

And talking of hobbits and culture. Given there is yet ANOTHER pitiful New Zealand advert inviting me to visit Middle Earth I think we can safely say the country is still a net importer of culture. Specifically, English culture.

GloriousEmpire wrote:I think you guys aren't taking this thread seriously at all.

There's a point to it then?   

quinsforever wrote:

ebop wrote:Hang on a minute, Quins you post a couple of google links (which I didn't need to read) and you've somehow highlighted an hypocrisy and think it gives you the right to say 'kiwis' disrespect Maori? I'm a kiwi and I don't disrespect Maori. You can't make sweeping statements like that, pat yourself on the back, and then say let's boo the haka because even kiwis don't respect the culture. By the way, boo the haka as much as you want, that is your choice.

Lol, mystri, once again you missed the point by a country mile and then tried to put words in my mouth (remember your issue with GE the other day, ironic a bit).

Sorry, can't do a popcorn thingee on mobile, shame really.

 

 

quinsforever wrote:Wow such a chippy rant. Disrespect for the haka? How about kiwi disrespect for the native Maori? Hypocrisy is not a good look.

And if all things English are in such decline, how come your countrymen started a thread titled Sir Shag? If your accolades are British that hardly supports your drivel now does it.

  

Yes, I'd still like to get to the bottom of this one...care to elaborate Quins? Or perhaps, appologise?

quote="GloriousEmpire"]Yes, I'd still like to get to the bottom of this one...care to elaborate Quins? Or perhaps, appologise?[/quote]
 

Popcorn dehydrates you Tiger, and too much gives you the runs...careful.

Hood83 wrote:In danger of getting on topic. I think the cultural importing thing is no bad thing. Look at the Spanish football team. Most people think tiki-taka is inherently Spanish because they're all a bunch of hobbits, but they were blood and thunder merchants until the Dutch taught them possession football.

And talking of hobbits and culture. Given there is yet ANOTHER pitiful New Zealand advert inviting me to visit Middle Earth I think we can safely say the country is still a net importer of culture. Specifically, English culture.

Wow, passing off South African born talent as 'English' goes WAY back!

Yeah Quins, educate don't hate

I'm ok GE, I've only had a couple of boxes

I am moving on to

mystiroakey wrote:"And another GE thread succeeds in sucking people into ridiculous bickering. "

I will admit to being sucked in by him.. and then he brings the worst out of me.. BUt i haven't been on the Rugby boards for yonks so i have only just witnessed his posting style.. And i have learnt my lesson. Ebop apologies, I have no problem with your posts at all on the whole..

Thanks mystri, sorry I missed that. You're a good sport.

I was on the  last night as off work today. Must learn to keep my undies out of a twist.

Boy this Lancaster bloke has a lot to answer for looking at this post...

   

Who cares as long as we win well

GloriousEmpire,
I thought you left - but you really didn't, you cheeky basteraud!

Well, that's a good thing anyway.  I agree with your points.  As soon as anyone in a leadership position goes away from what made them successful, failure is just a step around the corner.  For Lancaster it does seem if he is reaching for something ephemeral or something which might not be there.  He has made a nice start, but so did MJ.  He has got to solidify the depth at each position, ensure he has the right players for the style and plan he wishes to play and then look to get some attacking consistency (and whether he has the right players to attack with consistency).

No my good doctor now you're just going to encourage him. Be a good brit and get all outraged like.

I wonder if in keeping with lancaster's new respect for NZ rugby and rugby culture we will manage to avoid the usual disgraceful disrespect for the Haka this year at twickenham? And in the English press?

When has that EVER happened? Please don't say singing swing low why the haka is happening disrespectful.

Breadvan wrote:I wonder if in keeping with lancaster's new respect for NZ rugby and rugby culture we will manage to avoid the usual disgraceful disrespect for the Haka this year at twickenham? And in the English press?

When has that EVER happened?  Please don't say singing swing low why the haka is happening disrespectful.

Yeah I can't believe that they forced the ABs to perform the Haka in the changing room and not on the pitch... that was Twickenham right??? The ultimate disrespect.

fa0019 wrote:

Breadvan wrote:I wonder if in keeping with lancaster's new respect for NZ rugby and rugby culture we will manage to avoid the usual disgraceful disrespect for the Haka this year at twickenham? And in the English press?

When has that EVER happened?  Please don't say singing swing low why the haka is happening disrespectful.

Yeah I can't believe that they forced the ABs to perform the Haka in the changing room and not on the pitch... that was Twickenham right??? The ultimate disrespect.

not the WRU finest hour in fact a little embarrassing .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6187320.stm

Not twickenham fa...

Casartelli wrote:

Hood83 wrote:In danger of getting on topic. I think the cultural importing thing is no bad thing. Look at the Spanish football team. Most people think tiki-taka is inherently Spanish because they're all a bunch of hobbits, but they were blood and thunder merchants until the Dutch taught them possession football.

And talking of hobbits and culture. Given there is yet ANOTHER pitiful New Zealand advert inviting me to visit Middle Earth I think we can safely say the country is still a net importer of culture. Specifically, English culture.

Wow, passing off South African born talent as 'English' goes WAY back!

Well by that measure he's as much German probably. If you think the 'Shire' uses the high veldt as a cultural reference point then I guess you could be right.

Breadvan wrote:I wonder if in keeping with lancaster's new respect for NZ rugby and rugby culture we will manage to avoid the usual disgraceful disrespect for the Haka this year at twickenham? And in the English press?

When has that EVER happened?  Please don't say singing swing low why the haka is happening disrespectful.

Yes it is. The correct protocol is to observe and then respond. In the same way that trying to drown out an opponents national anthem would be deemed disrespectful....and this in a country where they think booing a kicker is disrespectful.

Or booing when a kicker is taking a kick??

The correct protocol when the English are singing Sweet Chariot is to remain silent or join in if you wish. To do a challenge dance when we are partaking in our rugby culture is insulting.....  

Your far to precious ghost. The crowd love seeing the haka. I cannot fathom how singing the supporters anthem,to get behind the team facing the haka is disrespectful. As for protocol. It's not being performed on the lawn at buck palace in front of hrh! Don't the NZ home crowd whoop and cheer during the haka?

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Breadvan wrote:I wonder if in keeping with lancaster's new respect for NZ rugby and rugby culture we will manage to avoid the usual disgraceful disrespect for the Haka this year at twickenham? And in the English press?

When has that EVER happened?  Please don't say singing swing low why the haka is happening disrespectful.

Yes it is. The correct protocol is to observe and then respond. In the same way that trying to drown out an opponents national anthem would be deemed disrespectful....and this in a country where they think booing a kicker is disrespectful.

Interesting how NZ treat one particular fellow ever since the last world cup then.... especially given he never actually said anything rather just man-handled "the great one" on two occasions without causing any signifcant injury.

high horse???

Casartelli wrote:

Hood83 wrote:In danger of getting on topic. I think the cultural importing thing is no bad thing. Look at the Spanish football team. Most people think tiki-taka is inherently Spanish because they're all a bunch of hobbits, but they were blood and thunder merchants until the Dutch taught them possession football.

And talking of hobbits and culture. Given there is yet ANOTHER pitiful New Zealand advert inviting me to visit Middle Earth I think we can safely say the country is still a net importer of culture. Specifically, English culture.

Wow, passing off South African born talent as 'English' goes WAY back!

 

Yes but he came to England at an early age and did all his training and education here, so surely qualified by residency

(cue accusations of English universities poaching foreign students with potential...)

lostinwales wrote:

Casartelli wrote:

Hood83 wrote:In danger of getting on topic. I think the cultural importing thing is no bad thing. Look at the Spanish football team. Most people think tiki-taka is inherently Spanish because they're all a bunch of hobbits, but they were blood and thunder merchants until the Dutch taught them possession football.

And talking of hobbits and culture. Given there is yet ANOTHER pitiful New Zealand advert inviting me to visit Middle Earth I think we can safely say the country is still a net importer of culture. Specifically, English culture.

Wow, passing off South African born talent as 'English' goes WAY back!

 

Yes but he came to England at an early age and did all his training and education here, so surely qualified by residency

(cue accusations of English universities poaching foreign students with potential...)

I assume you chaps are talking about Sid James from the carry on films no???

I actually thought the op was about an old world war two bomber losing its captain...

Taylorman wrote:I actually thought the op was about an old world war two bomber losing its captain...

No Taylor, the newangled directional radar gadget accidentally fell out of the bomb door. .. please keep up.

Whar is English cultcha, like?  

Sport?

Not being smart - I know it's full of cultcha things.... but, what bits of New Zealand culture gets imported from England that didn't originally come with the invading English anyway?

It's a might discourteous to accuse a nation of stealing a culture that was imposed on it

NZ stole all the UKs best rugby genes.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Breadvan wrote:I wonder if in keeping with lancaster's new respect for NZ rugby and rugby culture we will manage to avoid the usual disgraceful disrespect for the Haka this year at twickenham? And in the English press?

When has that EVER happened?  Please don't say singing swing low why the haka is happening disrespectful.

Yes it is. The correct protocol   is to observe and then respond. In the same way that trying to drown out an opponents national anthem would be deemed disrespectful....and this in a country where they think booing a kicker is disrespectful.

  

quinsforever wrote:

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I love that little cheeky popcorn eating rabble rouser.... his 'butter wouldn't melt in'me mouth' expression alone is enough to start a fight.

I can't think of any Kiwi culture(maori yes) but kiwi No, its all brit culture, that know they think they own!! and that ironically are stealing back..

How does that work?

I remember meeting a kiwi once when that thought LOTR was written by Peter Jackson and that the maoris invented Rugby . It was quite amusing tbh!

He was probably educated in the education system culture we inherited from Britain mystri.

I am actually going to be nice(as we have so much culture)

NZ 's culture is RUGBY . Have it- you earnt it!

BRAZIL you can have football!!

Australia have seemingly given us back cricket though. BUt its ok they still have barbies, bangers and watered down beer culture

you've had long enough to forge things on your own GE, if you were so bothered by it why didn't you change it?

mystiroakey wrote:I am actually going to be nice(as we have so much culture)

NZ 's culture is RUGBY . Have it- you earnt it!

BRAZIL you can have football!!

Australia have seemingly given us back cricket though. BUt its ok they still have barbies, bangers and watered down beer culture

Fosters is actually brewed in England.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22854840

Just a light hearted article about beer.

barbies... is that just a girlie version of a braai??? Not something to be proud of in my book.

Basically we're just British with better tans and without the funny accent. The ABs 'winning' culture dates back to 1905 so SL may struggle to fabricate something similar.

You know, shrimps on the barbie are actually prawns? But it's hard to get the Oz accent right on prawn.

ebop - is it sunny in NZ or are we talking fake tan...  

Sunny mate, no orange in sight, we don't copy the Geordie culture in NZ when it comes to looking healthy.

You're probably wise to develop your own culture in that respect!