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Post by JuliusHMarx Sun 10 Nov 2013, 11:18 pm

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Post by kingraf Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:23 pm

Only bright side here is that Nadal can hardly play much worse.
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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:23 pm

0-30 on Nadal's serve

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:24 pm

Nadal has such a great smash one of the best in the business

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Post by kingraf Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:25 pm

but then again, Djokovic could probably play better.
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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:25 pm

God these guys can move, incredible defense from both

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Post by Guest Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:25 pm

This is high quality tennis - any other opponent & Nadal would be winning 6-3 3-1

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:26 pm

Nadal struggling in most of his service games a good sign for Djoko

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:27 pm

Nore Staat wrote:This is high quality tennis - any other opponent & Nadal would be winning 6-3 3-1
Fully agree

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Post by TopoftheChops Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:27 pm

nadal playing the better tennis, he will win

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Post by Guest Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:27 pm

That hawkeye call is equivalent to a dive in football - I mean the system itself isn't accurate to that fine a margin.

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:30 pm

Lets see if Nadal can have an easy hold here he has struggled in all but one service game

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:31 pm

At times, djoko is making nadal look very very ordinary.

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:31 pm

I love watching Novak hit from a full stretch plastic man style

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:32 pm

uh oh 0-40 here on nadal's serve

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:32 pm

TopoftheChops wrote:nadal playing the better tennis, he will win
lol, he really isn't. He is being made to look average. Spraying errors all over the place.

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:33 pm

Nadal saves one but getting almost no free points on serve and Djoko maintaining incredible depth on return that being said Nadal does what he does and saves two BPs, focus novak

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:34 pm

Return has been superb today.

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Post by kingraf Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:34 pm

Nadal hasn't quite been at the races today. He'll fight, since that's what he does. But you can't complete a murder with only motive and opportunity, need the means as well. Doesn't seem to have it today.
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Post by Johnyjeep Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:34 pm

What Fed would give for a Rafa performance like this! Psychology must be so important for Rafa. Been so poor.

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:34 pm

Another wonderful return on BP puts nadal on the back foot right away

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Post by Guest Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:34 pm

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Post by TopoftheChops Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:35 pm

novak will win now

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:35 pm

Johnyjeep wrote:What Fed would give for a Rafa performance like this! Psychology must be so important for Rafa. Been so poor.
Novak is on fire and making him look poor, the better question is what would fed give to have novak's two handed backhand and Novak's return of serve.

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Post by Guest Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:36 pm

Maybe it will be a 6-3 6-3 win for Djokovic. Djokovic returning & ground strokes are putting Nadal under pressure leading to the apparent UE.

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Post by Johnyjeep Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:37 pm

socal1976 wrote:
Johnyjeep wrote:What Fed would give for a Rafa performance like this! Psychology must be so important for Rafa. Been so poor.
Novak is on fire and making him look poor, the better question is what would fed give to have novak's two handed backhand and Novak's return of serve.
Lol true. But Nadal has served 4 DFs in the first set. That's in the mind. A lot of errors have been so basic. Djokovic is playing better clearly but also has many gears he could go through if necessary. Possibly Nadal wants this too much?

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Post by Danny_1982 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:37 pm

TopoftheChops wrote:nadal playing the better tennis, he will win
Really? About 5 winners and a billion errors is the better tennis?

To me, Nadal's only effective play so far has been the slice. He should use it more often to try and work his way back in, cos at the moment his radar is off. I love most matches between these two, but this is a bit flat.

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Post by kingraf Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:38 pm

Djokovic is playing well, but he's hardly been out of his skin. Nadal's serve has fallen to pieces tonight. Nole has obviously played a role, but two double faults in a game is uncharacteristic, to say the least
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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:38 pm

Now he is got the bit between his teeth and he wants to give Rafa something to think about over the long off season. Rafa really pressing now. Nadal by my count has had one easy service game all match

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Post by Danny_1982 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:39 pm

TopoftheChops wrote:novak will win now
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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:40 pm

Nadal always serves a lot of doubles against Novak because he knows if he doesn't go for his second Novak will munch it up like fat kid eats birthday cake

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Post by kingraf Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:40 pm

Tennis can be a difficult game when the serve isn't quite there.
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Post by CAS Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:41 pm

I've seen Novak play better than this, Rafa too. However, Rafa is clearly so wary of Novaks serve its translating into double faults

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:42 pm

Is there any player that you feel less secure being up a set and break on than Rafa Nadal, I suppose that is a big part of the greatness of the man

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Post by kingraf Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:42 pm

all it takes is one brain fart from Nole... But I can't see it.
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Post by kingraf Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:44 pm

I'm off to places people who don't have to go to work on Tuesday go to, since I don't have to go in tomorrow. Yahoo Can't watch anymore, really.
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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:44 pm

[quote="Danny_1982"]
TopoftheChops wrote:nadal playing the better tennis, he will win
Really? About 5 winners and a billion errors is the better tennis?

To me, Nadal's only effective play so far has been the slice. He should use it more often to try and work his way back in, cos at the moment his radar is off. I love most matches between these two, but this is a bit flat. [/quote


Take it easy on him Danny, we don't want people to think we are unforgiving

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Post by Guest Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:45 pm

It will be a good confidence boost for Novak if he wins this in straights set for 2014. His 2013 season could have been so much better.

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:45 pm

Novak serving real well

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:46 pm

Novak's net play has improved beyond all recognition over the last year or so.

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Post by Danny_1982 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:46 pm

Novak has played pretty well, but he's hardly red lining it.

Rafa has made loads of errors and been poor. That's the difference. Novak has got in his head. Fair play to him. He has the aura of someone who knows he will win.

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:46 pm

Don't get casual here novak not against this guy

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:48 pm

Danny_1982 wrote:Novak has played pretty well, but he's hardly red lining it.

Rafa has made loads of errors and been poor. That's the difference. Novak has got in his head. Fair play to him. He has the aura of someone who knows he will win.
He is both serving better and putting Nadal under pressure on every return as well. Never underestimate the value of that first strike in tennis. Nadal starts every point behind and scrambling almost and it causes these errors. Novak is running him side to side from the get go

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:49 pm

Have to say djoko's length has been exceptional!

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Post by Guest Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:50 pm

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Post by Johnyjeep Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:50 pm

Yeah Novak has really stepped up the quality the last 10 minutes.

Rafa is being giving the proper run around.

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Post by Danny_1982 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:50 pm

Ok, he may be red lining it a bit now...

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:51 pm

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Johnyjeep wrote:What Fed would give for a Rafa performance like this! Psychology must be so important for Rafa. Been so poor.
Novak is on fire and making him look poor, the better question is what would fed give to have novak's two handed backhand and Novak's return of serve.
Lol true. But Nadal has served 4 DFs in the first set. That's in the mind. A lot of errors have been so basic. Djokovic is playing better clearly but also has many gears he could go through if necessary. Possibly Nadal wants this too much?
No I don't know about a big match player like Nadal wanting it too much not his first rodeo. Novak is playing a blindingly good second set, he just feels the ball much better on the strings today and on current form

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Post by Guest Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:52 pm

Good serve from Nadal

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:53 pm

He is giving Nadal the chinese water torture on every service game

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Post by socal1976 Mon 11 Nov 2013, 9:53 pm

Nice fight there to hold under immense pressure, great competitor Nadal

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