Wales recent record

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So as usual poor old Wales have been the victim of misused quantitative data, quite often actually. I'm not really sure why or how our third team winning one and then losing one (as expected) against Japan has any bearing on the team that won back-to-back 6 Nations championships. If you consider that then our recent record contains a 30-3 win and a 40-6 win over highly ranked teams, and we also went through winning 4 games on the bounce without conceding a single try. We were expected to lose SA, they have an exceptional team right now and are well ahead of Wales and everyone else bar just the one team in black. It's not such a bad recent record as made out by everyone if you ask me.

  

The Saint wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Are Argentina highly ranked?

Within the top 10 and highly rated. They play top 3 teams (as Wales have done) a lot more often. That's a good point. Why don't Arg get criticised for losing to SH sides like Wales do?  

Arg are ranked 10th, but realistically are probably a better team than Scotland who are 9th. Wales are ranked higher than both BTW.

They're not that good really. England's 2nd string made light work of them in Argentina last summer.

TJ wrote:

The Saint wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Are Argentina highly ranked?

Within the top 10 and highly rated. They play top 3 teams (as Wales have done) a lot more often. That's a good point. Why don't Arg get criticised for losing to SH sides like Wales do?  

Arg are ranked 10th, but realistically are probably a better team than Scotland who are 9th. Wales are ranked higher than both BTW.

Yes - so beating argentina 3 places below you is only to be expected.  I like the way you claim argentina are better than scotladn despite being ranked lower.  Yo really do talk some utter nonsense

I also realise that you have also lost your last game to Argentina at home. But that's about as relevant as trawling back years for Wales losses right?

So we're expected to beat Argentina who did well against SA and Aus in games because they're ranked lower. So, we are not expected to beat times higher ranked right? So why do Wales always get slated for losing to higher ranked teams by you and the anti-wales mob?

The Saint wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

The Saint wrote:It was our third team that lost to Japan and has no relevance on the previous team competing in the 6 Nations, nor the current team playing in this autumn series. Record agaisnt the best 3 teams to have ever graced the sport accepted. We were criticised for having such a poor recent record. I've looked at our recent record, bearing in mind what I've said in the OP, 30-3 and 40-6 wins against highly ranked teams not so long after winning 4 game in a row without conceding a single try is not so bad if you ask me.

Rankings shmankings. Back-to-back champions is what we are.

Ranking shmankings you say but then you're quick to pratt on you were expected to lose against SA because they're the 2nd best ranked team in the world .

I'm on a WUM on this occassion mate.

I think the rankings have flaws, but would you disagree with NZ and SA being 1 and 2 in world rugby? I don't think anyone else comes close.

i think england come close. and i think they did come close. has any other team been leading new zealand after 65minutes this year? i would certainly put that in my definition of close.

but wales may well win the 6N.

and i would still rate england better chances of winning RWC

Duty281 wrote:

The Saint wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Are Argentina highly ranked?

Within the top 10 and highly rated. They play top 3 teams (as Wales have done) a lot more often. That's a good point. Why don't Arg get criticised for losing to SH sides like Wales do?  

Arg are ranked 10th, but realistically are probably a better team than Scotland who are 9th. Wales are ranked higher than both BTW.

They're not that good really. England's 2nd string made light work of them in Argentina last summer.

Players who wouldn't get in the Jaguars team because they use it to train their U20s. I'm not saying England didn't do well though.

The Saint wrote: So, we are not expected to beat times higher ranked right? So why do Wales always get slated for losing to higher ranked teams by you and the anti-wales mob?

tehy don't. I have never slated Wales for not winning. again point out a post where I have?

quinsforever wrote:

The Saint wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

The Saint wrote:It was our third team that lost to Japan and has no relevance on the previous team competing in the 6 Nations, nor the current team playing in this autumn series. Record agaisnt the best 3 teams to have ever graced the sport accepted. We were criticised for having such a poor recent record. I've looked at our recent record, bearing in mind what I've said in the OP, 30-3 and 40-6 wins against highly ranked teams not so long after winning 4 game in a row without conceding a single try is not so bad if you ask me.

Rankings shmankings. Back-to-back champions is what we are.

Ranking shmankings you say but then you're quick to pratt on you were expected to lose against SA because they're the 2nd best ranked team in the world .

I'm on a WUM on this occassion mate.

I think the rankings have flaws, but would you disagree with NZ and SA being 1 and 2 in world rugby? I don't think anyone else comes close.

i think england come close. and i think they did come close. has any other team been leading new zealand after 65minutes this year? i would certainly put that in my definition of close.

but wales may well win the 6N.

and i would still rate england better chances of winning RWC

Dont think i can argue with that  

quinsforever wrote:

The Saint wrote:

quinsforever wrote:Duty281 have to say i'm with you there. RWC is all that matters to me. each to their own though.

WALES HAVE WON A RUGBY WORLD CUP.

Cue the haters telling me I have a chip on my shoulder.

i'm obviously missing something with this one.

you need to see it to believe it .

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=651&q=wales+sevens+rugby+world+cup+win&oq=wales+sevens+rugby+world+cup+win&gs_l=img.3...929.9155.0.9350.32.14.0.18.18.0.144.1341.10j4.14.0....0...1ac.1.31.img..15.17.1245.g_pIPhtiiG4#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=DdQTosI7iPxVsM%3A%3BLMCZpb7dLaonEM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.inattheside.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F06%252FWales-Sevens-world-cup-win-1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.inattheside.com%252Fwales-sevens-rugby-squad-a-lot-more-competitive-this-time%252F%3B600%3B400

Haters gon' hate and 'mirers gonna mire. You mirin' brah?

England are getting close to SA at the top of the rankings. still a bit to go to get to NZ but considering there is NZ top a clear, those challenging them ( now SA and England) and the also rans - aus, wales, france, etc england are close to the top. wales are not. the table does not lie

I'd pretty much have the top five in the world as:

1) NZ
2) SA
3) England
4 and 5) Wales and Australia (Depending on who wins this year)

TJ wrote:England are getting close to SA at the top of the rankings.  still a bit to go to get to NZ but considering there is NZ top a clear, those challenging them ( now SA and England) and the also rans - aus, wales, france, etc  england are close to the top. wales are not. the table does not lie

Recent record don't lie. 6 from 10, including 30-3 and 40-6 wins against good teams isn't bad if you ask me.

Good grief. It's threads Like these that make me stop coming on here. Who actually cares whether a complete stranger says nice things about the team you follow? If you're happy with Wales performance then it's really irrelevant what anyone else says.

For me I think Wales have been just short of where they should be. Yes there have been extenuating circumstances but all teams have issues and deal with them better than we do.

I do think Wales are a better side than England and I also think that even with the injuries wet have that we'll beat Australia.

The Saint wrote:

TJ wrote:England are getting close to SA at the top of the rankings.  still a bit to go to get to NZ but considering there is NZ top a clear, those challenging them ( now SA and England) and the also rans - aus, wales, france, etc  england are close to the top. wales are not. the table does not lie

Recent record don't lie. 6 from 10, including 30-3 and 40-6 wins against good teams isn't bad if you ask me.

What about England? 9 wins from 11 including victories over "highly-ranked teams" such as New Zealand, Australia, France, Ireland, Argentina (X3). Suppose I better throw in Scotland as well as they're higher ranked than Argentina.

Duty281 wrote:I'd pretty much have the top five in the world as:

1) NZ
2) SA
3) England
4 and 5) Wales and Australia (Depending on who wins this year)

Nope Wales don't even come close. 7th.

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 93.20
2(2) SOUTH AFRICA 88.51
3(3) ENGLAND 86.31
4(4) AUSTRALIA 84.22
5(5) FRANCE 81.44
6(8) IRELAND 80.76
7(6) WALES 80.71
8(7) SAMOA 79.24
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.25
10(10) ARGENTINA 75.50

its pretty obvious NZ are away in front, SA, Engladn and Aus make up the second tier France Ireland Wales Samoa the third tier with scotland and Argentina struggling to keep up

Duty281 wrote:

The Saint wrote:

TJ wrote:England are getting close to SA at the top of the rankings.  still a bit to go to get to NZ but considering there is NZ top a clear, those challenging them ( now SA and England) and the also rans - aus, wales, france, etc  england are close to the top. wales are not. the table does not lie

Recent record don't lie. 6 from 10, including 30-3 and 40-6 wins against good teams isn't bad if you ask me.

What about England? 9 wins from 11 including victories over "highly-ranked teams" such as  New Zealand, Australia, France, Ireland, Argentina (X3). Suppose I better throw in Scotland as well as they're higher ranked than Argentina.

All very good wins. It's a good record. I think the stats are slightly skewed in England's favour because of that summer tour against an Arg team that supposedly contained players on semi-pro contracts. I can't deny that England have a good record though.

mckay1402 wrote:

I do think Wales are a better side than England  

I do dislike the england rugby team but no way on earth are Wales a better team 3rd in the world v 7th. No wins against top 3 teams v some wins

Duty, I would agree with your top 5. See the jealousy from fans who can't mix it with us big boys in the top 5?

Haters gon' hate and 'mirers gonna 'mire. Miring brah?

TJ wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:

I do think Wales are a better side than England  

I do dislike the england rugby team but no way on earth are Wales a better team 3rd in the world v 7th.  No wins against top 3 teams v some wins

Rankings shmankings, 7th regularly beat 3rd . Not an easy thing to do either.

The Saint wrote:

TJ wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:

I do think Wales are a better side than England  

I do dislike the england rugby team but no way on earth are Wales a better team 3rd in the world v 7th.  No wins against top 3 teams v some wins

Rankings shmankings, 7th regularly beat 3rd . Not an easy thing to do either.

For once i agree with you Wales ranking doesnt reflect where they truly are .



then again the ranking is only a reflection of their perfomances on the field for the last 4 years . So i guess they do deserve the 7th place. Afterall 1 good year doesnt make up for the 3 other mediocre ones .

Wales are not a better team than england on any measure. same as Scotland are not better than aus despite beating them home and away the last couple of years

Bullsbok wrote:

The Saint wrote:

TJ wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:

I do think Wales are a better side than England  

I do dislike the england rugby team but no way on earth are Wales a better team 3rd in the world v 7th.  No wins against top 3 teams v some wins

Rankings shmankings, 7th regularly beat 3rd . Not an easy thing to do either.

For once i agree with you Wales ranking doesnt reflect where they truly are .



then again the ranking is only a reflection of their perfomances on the field for the last 4 years . So i guess they do deserve the 7th place. Afterall  1 good year doesnt make up for the 3 other mediocre ones .

it wan't even that good a year. Nice 6n win but no grandslam and no wins agains the top three teams

Yet a lot more than the other 5 of the 6 Nations can achieve. It's bitter jealousy nothing more. There's a reason why we study qualitive data, it's a heresy to produce the facts to the haters isn't it.

TJ wrote:Wales are not a better team than england on any measure.  same as Scotland are not better than aus despite beating them home and away the last couple of years

But Scotland's best team lose to almost everyone every year. Wales, England and Australia don't so there isn't much comparison.

Rankings, recent results, head to heads, historic data etc prove one thing, and one thing only.. Italy to be 6n's champs 2014... ta da

wonder what odds i can get on wales going out at the group stages of rwc 2015  

TJ you've gone from coat-tailing Australia to England in the space of a few months. You must really hate watching Scotland go down to Wales .

TJ wrote:Yes - you have not beaten a SH team for a long time and were beaten by Japan, only able to draw with Fiji and was it Tonga who also beat you recently?.  Nice line in excuses claiming third choice against japan  and attacks on others to deflect criticism from your ridiculous position.

wales recent record is what it is Poor outside of the 6N  and this is why they are ranked only 7 in the world.

Argentina is in the SH  

quinsforever wrote:wonder what odds i can get on wales going out at the group stages of rwc 2015  

excellent ones, both Aus and Eng at Twickers….unless Wales beat Aus now then i just think it is too late to get that monkey of our backs….but as far as England are concerned the odds will largely be that, as hosts, they have home advantage. Not that England have experienced much advantage at home v Wales recently.

Wales beat England in 2012 at Twickenham and England haven't scored a try against Wales since 2011 6 Nations (Ashton twice)…..if we beat them there in 2014 - their last chance pre RWC - then my money is on us doing the same in 2015 (especially if Walsh is ref  ).

Is going to be a bigger than usual 6n game this time around that's for sure

I don't think any Welsh supporter should be satisfied with Wales' recent record. No side which aspires to be the best - and Wales do have ambitions to win the World Cup - should be satisfied when it hasn't registered a win in five years against three of the teams who have claimed that trophy.

Be in no doubt, if a team is going to reach and win the final, it will need to defeat at least one, and probably two of those three teams. You can't rest on the hope that you can beat any side on the day when you haven't managed to do that over a prolonged series of matches.

Of course, I'd like England to win the Cup but, if we can't do it, I'd quite like it to go to another Northern Hemisphere side. For that reason, I'd like to see Wales showing some World Cup pedigree.

In my darkest hours, I fear our group might go as follows: England beat Australia, Australia beats Wales and Wales beats England (that's actually how recent encounters have gone). We could easily end up on the wrong side of the points tally in that scenario, and go out at the group stages.

A lot of my hopes would then lie with Wales, and yet my fear is that they just won't get past one of the big 3 in the knock-out stages.

If I was a Welsh fan, I'd take enormous joy in any victory over England, but the idea that winning a Six Nations is sufficient return from the current players would be anathema to me.

I don't hate Welsh rugby: it frustrates me. A win over the Wallabies would go a long way to reassuring me. It would raise the probability that Wales could do it again in the group stages, and sow some seeds of doubt in the opposition.

In fact, if Wales can win, I hope the WRU might think twice about scheduling Australia for an Autumn International next year. It would be good for Wales to face them having won the most recent encounter.

If instead, Australia beat Wales, I don't want to hear any rubbish about things being all right because you can just go back to beating England. There should be fury at letting another chance slip.

Australia are never pushovers but Wales should be beating them. If Wales can win, I certainly won't be saying it was against a weak Wallaby side, I'll be too busy celebrating.

Rugby,

Some very good points there but the one I take issue with is the WRU not arranging a game against Australia next Autumn.

If it meant the grabbing bar stweards at the WRU got the ccorporat and hospitality pennies from it then they will arrange, no matter what affect it had on WC preperation.

I also see the group going a similar way which of course for tv and neutrals would be the perfect way as it would be nailing biting stuff in the other games points diff etc etc but for us fans well nervous would be ib bits.

TJ wrote:Wales are not a better team than england on any measure.  same as Scotland are not better than aus despite beating them home and away the last couple of years

Apart from the fact that we smashed you last time and it's currently 3 out of 3.

Wales are the more experienced team at the moment with a very strong and established core of players does that make us a better team, well head to head at the moment yes but England proved last year by beating the Blacks and by running them close this year that they have the mental toughness that we lack.

Rankings obviously say England are better but again on the day of a game rankings can mean very little.

Our record against the SH which is what most seem to use as the guideline these days is apallingly bad and until we start addressing that and winning games regulalry then this age old argument will continue.

TJ wrote:Yes - you have not beaten a SH team for a long time and were beaten by Japan, only able to draw with Fiji and was it Tonga who also beat you recently?.  Nice line in excuses claiming third choice against japan  and attacks on others to deflect criticism from your ridiculous position.

wales recent record is what it is Poor outside of the 6N  and this is why they are ranked only 7 in the world.

It was Scotland who lost to Tonga. Our defeat comes on Friday

Scraping the barrel mind, bringing up the draw with Fiji. That was a while ago.

I don't see how TJ denies being anti-welsh. Not only does he categorise wales fans into a bunch of ref whingers, he constantly uses Aus and SA wins over Wales to stick the boot in. He's done it for months and when he reads this he'll deny it and have another hissy! That's what leads me to believe he is a prime coat-tailer!

I'll try again because I think this is an important issue:

Saint: The IMPRESSION given, rightly or wrongly, before a very high proportion of Welsh games on these boards is that the Welsh supporters are totally and completely convinced of the absolute inevitability of a Welsh win. I've ALREADY had one assuring me in absolute language that Wales WILL beat England come the 6Ns. I don't mind - I see it as just your way and that apparent certainty of victory doesn't annoy me. It makes me laugh. But I don't necessarily believe what the Welsh tell me. You might believe your own hype but I don't.

But a lot of Welsh posters (or a few posting a lot) give the impression that anyone - even opposing supporters - might not completely AGREE with the inevitability of Welsh victory as impossible to comprehend as a Welsh defeat.

Please understand that this is the IMPRESSION Welsh posters in general give me. There are of course supporters who don't do this, but they tend to get rather lost in the crowd.

Now, if we DO beat you in the 6Ns (we might!) I may think of the poster who told me about how Wales WOULD beat us and smile a bit, that's all. But I will understand as the game approaches those posters who've gone through the increasing barrage of Wales will win - and any alternative view is not just wrong, it's ridiculous and probably caused by bigotry because there are no Rugby reasons that could account for it - turning up if you lose and saying so what happened to this inevitable victory then?

And even if you stop doing it, it'll take years for that to have any effect. It takes a lot longer to lose a reputation than gain one.

I say again: This is what I see. It may not accurately reflect the true feelings of the Welsh, but it does accurately reflect the impression you give me.

Apart from a couple WUM posters, I don't see where you would get such an impression from Cowshot. This is what my previous article was all about, Wales fans believing their team is good enough to win a game and being accused of downright arrogance. Other teams fans have the same belief in their own team and are not accused. Also, there are a lot of posters, English ones too who come and say "Wales will lose, Wales players are no good any more" without explaining any logic behind it, or even having evidence for their reasoning.

Shrug. Whether you see where I get it or not, that's the impression I get. The Welsh poster I referred to the other night wasn't a wum, he was just commenting. But he appeared out of nowhere on an Eng NZ thread to do it. The game he referred too is 3 or 4 months away and he's just the first...

With 4 recent Championships under the belt, Wales may be better head to head than England and rightly regarded as the best side in Europe- going into a clash with England I am now fairly confident of a win depending on personnel because i think defensively we have figured out how to stop them, but Wales can't be regarded as a better side until they start winning SH games. All too often we have been pipped at the post by SH teams….the worst of which was the 2004 NZ test, which to me reveals a very worrying characteristic that we just cannot close out big games against the SH.

We did agaisnt the Pumas...hey, its a start  

...and apologies for sticking my post on the wrong one of Saint's threads...

Yes it is and of course Arg are a quality side currently in what i hope is a short blip on their meteoric rise - watching Cardero reminded me of a certain S Williams - but look at our performances v NZ, Aus and SA and it tells a consistently worrying story that we are fools to dismiss by saying, hey we have won the 6 Nations at will so we must be really good.

We are really, really good….for me it used to be the top 2 inches missing and now i think they are there and, as our glorious leader has said, we are missing that 1% which translates in a tight game to a win v a marginal loss.

Skills, decision making and execution….we are so close to greatness but we aren't there by a stretch

Scratch wrote:With 4 recent Championships under the belt, Wales may be better head to head than England and rightly regarded as the best side in Europe- going into a clash with England I am now fairly confident of a win depending on personnel because i think defensively we have figured out how to stop them, but Wales can't be regarded as a better side until they start winning SH games. All too often we have been pipped at the post by SH teams….the worst of which was the 2004 NZ test, which to me reveals a very worrying characteristic that we just cannot close out big games against the SH.

i love it! this definitely belongs on the why do wales take so much criticism for losing thread! this 6N match will be approached rather differently by England - it's a rehearsal of the 2015 RWC group match at the same home venue. i am glad for you that you are so confident. however, expect a boat-load of criticism if you lose.

Wales on paper should have done a lot better vs. SA.

At home with the players they have... they should taking scalps like these. Saying they were close at one stage and rub of the green etc is not reality. They never threatened the line and to beat these sides you need to score tries.

I look at the AUS game at the moment and I see only one winner too. They look like they're on the up and if they can hold their own vs. IRE upfront I think they will cope well vs. WAL too. They look balanced again and very dangerous.

quinsforever wrote:

Scratch wrote:With 4 recent Championships under the belt, Wales may be better head to head than England and rightly regarded as the best side in Europe- going into a clash with England I am now fairly confident of a win depending on personnel because i think defensively we have figured out how to stop them, but Wales can't be regarded as a better side until they start winning SH games. All too often we have been pipped at the post by SH teams….the worst of which was the 2004 NZ test, which to me reveals a very worrying characteristic that we just cannot close out big games against the SH.

i love it! this definitely belongs on the why do wales take so much criticism for losing thread! this 6N match will be approached rather differently by England - it's a rehearsal of the 2015 RWC group match at the same home venue. i am glad for you that you are so confident. however, expect a boat-load of criticism if you lose.

I take it you mean they will approach it with the intention to win? 

Scratch wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

Scratch wrote:With 4 recent Championships under the belt, Wales may be better head to head than England and rightly regarded as the best side in Europe- going into a clash with England I am now fairly confident of a win depending on personnel because i think defensively we have figured out how to stop them, but Wales can't be regarded as a better side until they start winning SH games. All too often we have been pipped at the post by SH teams….the worst of which was the 2004 NZ test, which to me reveals a very worrying characteristic that we just cannot close out big games against the SH.

i love it! this definitely belongs on the why do wales take so much criticism for losing thread! this 6N match will be approached rather differently by England - it's a rehearsal of the 2015 RWC group match at the same home venue. i am glad for you that you are so confident. however, expect a boat-load of criticism if you lose.

I take it you mean they will approach it with the intention to win? 

Have England been losing the previous fixtures on purpose then?  

i think scratch was being amusing and deliberately only bolding half the sentence.

the whole thing was:

"this 6N match will be approached rather differently by England - it's a rehearsal of the 2015 RWC group match at the same home venue. "

i am obviously referring to the approach in preparing for the match.

quinsforever wrote:

Scratch wrote:With 4 recent Championships under the belt, Wales may be better head to head than England and rightly regarded as the best side in Europe- going into a clash with England I am now fairly confident of a win depending on personnel because i think defensively we have figured out how to stop them, but Wales can't be regarded as a better side until they start winning SH games. All too often we have been pipped at the post by SH teams….the worst of which was the 2004 NZ test, which to me reveals a very worrying characteristic that we just cannot close out big games against the SH.

i love it! this definitely belongs on the why do wales take so much criticism for losing thread! this 6N match will be approached rather differently by England - it's a rehearsal of the 2015 RWC group match at the same home venue. i am glad for you that you are so confident. however, expect a boat-load of criticism if you lose.

Uummmmmmmm.......... Why? Teams enter the 6 Nations tournament so that they may attempt to win it and thus be crowned champions of europe. Wales have won the last two tournaments. So Scratch is well within his rights to claim that Wales are the best in europe. Typical, we state a fact or show our team support and we're labelled as arrogant. You've been stating that England are good in world cups and will be good in the next RWC, I don't see anyone claiming this is arrogant? You clearly see it this way because you have it in for Wales. You were one of the vultures I referred to who watches Wales play and hopes that they lose so that they may come on to an internet forum with grounds to slag the team off. It's really pathetic.

You really need to get this anti-welsh chip off your shoulder, it's getting beyond embarrassing.

you, my friend, can't read. no-where have i said its arrogant. regarding this particular post i highlighed the "a clash with england i am now fairly confident of a win" bit. i think a bit of arrogance or confidence is a good thing. but with it comes the fall when you don't deliver. you want to know why no-one rags on scotland or ireland for their matches this weekend? because they haven't said they expect to win.

if you are going to talk the talk you've got to walk the walk. and if you don't people are going to have a pop.

wales record is inconsistent and not particularly good over the last 10 years. in the last 2 years you have peaked in results in the 6N championships but your results outside of that have still been inconsistent. walking the walk is when you back up a top ranking with away victories in the SH or victories over them at a RWC. wales are yet to achieve either. but welsh rugby has come an awfully long way since the dark days of the 90s. most people who remember that period are less ebullient about Wales "NH dominance" based on 2 years of 6N results alone.

on another note why do you have such a desperate need to have people agree with you? or not make their opinions known? do you want to stifle all debate? honestly, what's the matter?

I can read very well and I can break down posts to discover their true meaning or look for loop-holes. University was very handy. A lot of your posts insinuate we're arrogant for stating a fact, that Wales are best in europe. They don't suddenly lose their (back-to-back) title if they lose the odd game since then! You really don't pay attention to this site unless it involves Wales do you? On the match thread in the lead-up to the Ire/Aus game every Ireland fan expected their team to win, some had predicted a win of more than 10 points. I know this because I entered the discussion and also said I expect Ireland to win by 5. Where are the articles slagging off Ireland?

You're speaking of getting results against the SH, especially away from home as if they happen regularly for other teams? They don't. England's last away win was in Australia, where they lost the previous fixture. I believe they have both won and lost versus Australia since. Scotland won a game against Aus away from home as well, however their results show they are far more inconsistent than Wales against all-comers, not just Aus or SA. Their record against all teams would lead most to believe they will not win against the top teams. Never the less, I don't see why only Wales should be berated for being inconsistent against just some of the teams Scotland are.

Well, you third paragraph is actually constructive, that's a rarity. If you posted like that more often then there wouldn't be any need for my posts. And it's coming across as an opinion based on much fact albeit skewed. IE, why is the last 10 years only relevant? Is it more relevant than the last 2 years? Does it have any relevance on the current year? Still, I don't see anything wrong with claiming we are capable of winning games. It seems it is only you and the rest of the anti-wales mob who have the issue.

Hmm, not sure what you're getting at here. Perhaps you've misunderstood or you have gone back to being in denial (like last night). People are welcome to their opinion. Though that doesn't mean we should all lay down and let them unjustifiably slag off Wales. For instance, the whole Lions saga. We were told that the slagging off of Gatland and JD2 for taking BOD's divine right to play 13 was just opinion, surely you remember the death threats and libelous posts coming at Gatland and Wales left, right and centre? Though it doesn't matter if it's against Wales I guess, because we all hate Wales. Opinion, yeah course!

Can I have some of what yo are smoking? Or maybe not. It seems to have made yo a bit paranoid.