The WRU v RRW Saga - What outcome would you prefere?

First topic message reminder :

Just a poll to see what people think

If there are any options I have missed then feel free to make a suggestion

I know some of the options have a lot of grey areas like what league would a pro-club system have and what would happen to say Cardiff RFC if Cardiff Blues joined the Aviva but its there for discussion

Regards

Shifty wrote:

Seagultaf wrote:Professional rugby is all about money, it comes from; the money the regions earn from TV, advertising and competitions, team Wales TV money advertising and competition receipts and the generosity of the benefactors. Pro rugby is struggling desperately to survive in Wales at present, remove any one of these income streams and it will die. Welsh pro rugby (and pro rugby in England and France) relies in the generosity of the benefactors for it to survive.

It doesnt need benefactors in Ireland and the game is doing fine there!
The more I think about it the more it makes sense to have 2 regons North and South, with the South playing at the Millenium stadium.  While you fund a properly semi pro Welsh premiership.

WRU are obliged to provide 4 teams to the Pro12 for the next few years (is it two or three? can't remember). Bear in mind if they don't, the shortfall in income will be for the Welsh to make up to us...

What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place. All you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Shifty wrote:

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Would the WRU be willing to take the risk? I'm not sure they would.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Shifty wrote:

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Would the WRU be willing to take the risk? I'm not sure they would.

I can't see a fully blown team up there. I can see a development region up there though. £2-3m a year funding? (based on 2 in the south sharing about £14m - not advocating ... speculating)

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Shifty wrote:

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Would the WRU be willing to take the risk? I'm not sure they would.

I can't see a fully blown team up there. I can see a development region up there though. £2-3m a year funding? (based on 2 in the south sharing about £14m - not advocating ... speculating)

or guessing or making it up as you go along type stuff?

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Shifty wrote:

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Would the WRU be willing to take the risk? I'm not sure they would.

I can't see a fully blown team up there. I can see a development region up there though. £2-3m a year funding? (based on 2 in the south sharing about £14m - not advocating ... speculating)

or guessing or making it up as you go along type stuff?

  Touchy! Have you got sand in your vagina?  

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Shifty wrote:

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Would the WRU be willing to take the risk? I'm not sure they would.

I can't see a fully blown team up there. I can see a development region up there though. £2-3m a year funding? (based on 2 in the south sharing about £14m - not advocating ... speculating)

or guessing or making it up as you go along type stuff?

  Touchy! Have you got sand in your vagina?  

Yep and it's itching very much. Can't wait to get away from the shackles of Welsh run rugby.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Shifty wrote:

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Would the WRU be willing to take the risk? I'm not sure they would.

I can't see a fully blown team up there. I can see a development region up there though. £2-3m a year funding? (based on 2 in the south sharing about £14m - not advocating ... speculating)

or guessing or making it up as you go along type stuff?

  Touchy! Have you got sand in your vagina?  

Yep and it's itching very much. Can't wait to get away from the shackles of Welsh run rugby.

Oh .... right. All the best then    

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Shifty wrote:

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Would the WRU be willing to take the risk? I'm not sure they would.

I can't see a fully blown team up there. I can see a development region up there though. £2-3m a year funding? (based on 2 in the south sharing about £14m - not advocating ... speculating)

or guessing or making it up as you go along type stuff?

  Touchy! Have you got sand in your vagina?  

Yep and it's itching very much. Can't wait to get away from the shackles of Welsh run rugby.

Oh .... right. All the best then    

The Scarlets are up for it too I believe. You wanna join the party "biased scarlet"?

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Shifty wrote:

Allty wrote:What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.

Would the WRU be willing to take the risk? I'm not sure they would.

I can't see a fully blown team up there. I can see a development region up there though. £2-3m a year funding? (based on 2 in the south sharing about £14m - not advocating ... speculating)

or guessing or making it up as you go along type stuff?

  Touchy! Have you got sand in your vagina?  

Yep and it's itching very much. Can't wait to get away from the shackles of Welsh run rugby.

Oh .... right. All the best then    

The Scarlets are up for it too I believe. You wanna join the party "biased scarlet"?

Sounds like something a so-called mate said to me shortly before he got arrested. Enjoy your "party"   

Sounds to me like one of those "parties" where you end up skint, out of your comfort zone, no one really takes to you and its a long way to walk back home...

[quote="Shifty"][quote="Allty"]What the problem is with your idea Shifty is there is very little rugby in the North

Welsh rugby is pretty much played either side of M4 between Newport and Llanelli.

An area approx 50 miles by 1 mile[/quote]

The North Wales region is already set up, the new stadium built, the academy in place.  All  you realy need to do is put a professional team there.[/quote]


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Its a footy area Shifty I dont think the support required isnt there

Shifty wrote:

Seagultaf wrote:Professional rugby is all about money, it comes from; the money the regions earn from TV, advertising and competitions, team Wales TV money advertising and competition receipts and the generosity of the benefactors. Pro rugby is struggling desperately to survive in Wales at present, remove any one of these income streams and it will die. Welsh pro rugby (and pro rugby in England and France) relies in the generosity of the benefactors for it to survive.

It doesnt need benefactors in Ireland and the game is doing fine there!
The more I think about it the more it makes sense to have 2 regons North and South, with the South playing at the Millenium stadium.  While you fund a properly semi pro Welsh premiership.

The three top Irish Provinces (Connaught are a development side) are far better funded than their Welsh counterparts. I cant find a link but I have heard figures of £7M per season, compared with the Welsh playing budget of £3.5M. It shows to, with most of the top Irish internationals, centrally contracted and playing for their home province, supported by a cohort of top quality southern hemisphere stars, as opposed to the journey men the Welsh regions can afford. The only Welsh region that has been able to compete with this level of funding was the Ospreys, but despite significant cuts to their playing budget they are now losing £2M per season!

The bulk of the population in Wales is in the M4 corridor, this is the audience for pro rugby, it makes no sense to invest 50% of the professional budget in North Wales where there is little available support.

Welsh Rugby needs a professional ruling body for the professional game, not the old boys club that is the WRU. Then, and only then, will we see an end to the current problems the game is facing.

Steffan wrote:Sounds to me like one of those "parties" where you end up skint, out of your comfort zone, no one really takes to you and its a long way to walk back home...

What is this "comfort zone" you speak of?