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Post by Bathite Wed 18 May 2011, 9:16 pm


SARACENS

"There's definately something special happening at Saracens"


2010/2011 Inaugural ERL Season
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4th Place in League
Playoff Semifinalist
Manager of the Month 6 times winner Saracens WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=


INFORMATION
Old Site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A84388378
Head Coach: Bathite
Forwards Coach: Danny Grewcock
Backs Coach: Mike Catt

FIXTURES

Heineken: Finished 2nd in Group
1. Ospreys (A) 25-18 (L)
2. Clermont (H) 29-20 (W)
2nd in Group - Challenge Cup

Challenge Cup: Winner
Semi-Final: Leinster (N) 30-31 (W)
Final: Stade Francais (N) 21-30 (W)

Knockout Cup: 1st Round Loss
1st Round. Highlanders (A) 25-22 (L)

League: 4th
Record: P22 W13 D3 L6
1. Leinster (A) 26-19 (L)
2. Northampton (H) 23-22 (W)
3. Ospreys (A) 32-19 (L)
4. Toulouse (A) 30-16 (L)
5. Highlanders (H) 22-24 (L) LBP
6. Stade (A) 22-22 (D)
7. Toulon (H) 28-17 (W)
8. Bath (A) 28-26 (W)
9. Biarritz (H) 31-23 (W) WBP
10. Clermont (A) 19-31 (W) WBP
11. Leicester (H) 27-20 (W)
12. Leinster (H) 30-22 (W) WBP
13. Northampton (A) 33-20 (W) WBP
14. Ospreys (H) 29-29 (D)
15. Toulouse (H) 25-28 (L) LBP
16. Highlanders (A) 27-25 (L) LBP
17. Stade (H) 31-22 (W) WBP
18. Toulon (A) 19-33 (W) WBP
19. Bath (H) 32-22 (W) WBP
20. Biarritz (A) 21-27 (W)
21. Clermont (H) 20-0 (W)
22. Leicester (A) 23-23 (D)



MATCHDAY


PositionStrongest Squad
1S.Tonga'uia
2B.Du Plessis
3O.Franks
4L.Nallet
5P.Albacete
6R.Elsom
7S.Burger
8S.Parisse
9J.Cowan
10N.Evans
11H.Gear
12M.Nonu
13J.Fourie
14D.Mitchell
15I.Toeava
16R.Roncero
17P.Dixon
18R.M-Chluski
19M.Bergamasco
20R.Wigglesworth
21B.James
22C.Heymans

FIRST TEAM SQUAD

Hookers: 2
Props: 5
Lock: 4
Back Row: 7
Half Backs: 4
Centres: 3
Back Three: 5
Squad Size: 29 (29 Available)

Forwards
NamePositionNationalitySquad StatusValue
Soane Tonga'uiaLH
Tonga
Key Player

Rodrigo Roncero
LHArg
First Team
Wyatt CrockettLHNZFirst Team
Owen FranksTH/LHNZInvaluableNot For Sale
Matt StevensTH/LHEngFirst TeamINJ
Bismarck Du PlessisHKSAInvaluableNot For Sale
Pieter DixonHKZimbBack Up£10m
Lionel NalletLKFranceKey Player
Patricio AlbaceteLKArgentinaKey Player
Romain Millo-Chluski LKFranceFirst Team
Julien PierreLKFranceRotation
Rocky ElsomBS/N8AustraliaInvaluable
Schalk BurgerOS/BS/N8SAInvaluableNot For Sale
Sergio ParisseN8ItalyInvaluableNot For Sale
Mirco Bergamasco
OS/BS
Italy
First Team

Wycliff PaluN8/BSAustraliaFirst Team
Thomas WaldromN8/BSNZRotation£18m
Matt ToddOS/BSNZRotation
Backs

NamePositionNationalitySquad StatusValue
Jimmy CowanSHNZKey Player
Richard WigglesworthSHEnglandFirst Team£14m
Nick EvansFHNZInvaluableNot For Sale
Butch JamesFH/ICSARotation
Ma'a NonuIC/OC/WGNZInvaluableNot For Sale
Jacque FourieOC/IC/WGSAInvaluableNot For Sale
Brad BarrittICEnglandRotation
Hosea GearWGNZInvaluableNot For Sale
Drew Mitchell
WG/FB
Aus
Invaluable
Not For Sale
Isaia ToeavaFB/WG/OCNZKey Player
Cedric HeymansWG/FBFranceFirst Team
Ben SmithFB/WGNZFirst Team






INJURIES
Ma'a Nonu HEALED
Rocky Elsom HEALED
Matt Stevens

FINANCES
Budget: £5m


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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 4:10 pm

Ok understand and thanks for a first offer, my view.

Bismark Du Plessis is one of the best hookers in the game, Rees is a good player know doubt about that and 8 million would come in handy but Du Plessis is just too big to let go.

Ouedraego would be a good signing as you questioned my injuries, but not too sure might need something elsewhere if that is allowed, to get Bismark off of me.

Evans, Gear, McCalman and Bekker available at all?
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 4:13 pm

Having a little think looking at your side.

BDP & Lambie 4 Rees & Evans & 6m?

Just a first thought
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 5:14 pm

Missed your other comment was looking at the Tennis draws for the French Open do you watch? Smile

Bismark 1st or 2nd thought he would be around there, that's where I would rate him and Rees came 6th probably about right aswell. Bismark though is World Class and I wouldn't put Rees in that catergory. 8 million and 10 million would be very helpful thank you, but looking at my side Bismark is my best player and I can't afford to sell my prize asset.

Evans and Lambie I don't think it's that bigger rating gap, if you have seen Lambie this season he might not be the most influential player in the Sharks side but his talented, good kicking game and one for the future bit like the Sharks wingers in Ndungane(30 old but breaking through) and Mvovo(24 skillful player right emerging age) are very good talents, who will be on the South African stage for some period of time after the September World Cup. Evans is class though and always has been, but not sure you can underestimate Patrick Lambie's qualities.

Sorry for the long post to you this time haha
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 5:42 pm

Thanks for that link will come in handy definitely.

So your also saying Lambie isn't that rated on this game?

Bit surprised by that as he is just behind Morne for South Africa. With those numbers for positions that adds up to 24, is that the number most sides have then?

You did say 26 so if I ever get to that number, I will probably look to add a extra to the back row and second row as those positions are substantially weak at this moment in time.

Very good though bathite you have been very helpful.
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 6:12 pm

Potential player aren't rated highly, another strange one but as there young compared to players like Gethin Jenkins who I see available, David Wallace and Stephen Jones all available I can see why you say that.

But some of these younger players are really really good, like I have Corbisiero, Lambie, Wood and Evans don't I who are all good players but are you saying some of these won't be rated?

The fly-half's you have listed are far superior than Lambie I agree, Cooper excellent attacking player Super Rugby current player of the year, Carter best in the World at 10, Wilkinson and Steyn experienced and so on.

And thanks for making me wary of the off form players, the Phillips saga has been quite hectic thank god he has been released though. Basteraud yes I agree even though I have him.

Rokocoko and Habana bit surprised by what you say, bigger the names the earlier they get picked up but indeed not. Halfpenny, Ioane and Maitland are all class players though who should be involved in the World Cup for their sides.

Thanks again bathite out of typing breath now, need a breather Smile
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 10:22 pm

I will try adding up the numbers I might be one short but will that matter for just one week?

Shall I get involved in the Media Page and can I make a deal to you, not involving the players you mark as NFS?
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 10:38 pm

Very handy you say your new but you seem to know everything haha. My offer might need a bit of tampering to after but will see.

Steenkamp & Cowan & Toeava
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Domingo & Kelleher & Kirchner

Domingo would give you an even better front three, Cowan and Kelleher no seperating really is there and Toeava would give me a step in the right direction in my back three would you think?

What about that bathite Smile
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 20 May 2011, 11:46 pm

Ok Bathite, I think it works out quite reasonable Kelleher is a terrific scrum-half though and should still be rated by many not just on a game like this but with Rugby fans in general.

Domingo is better than Steenkamp, and like I said Toeava would kick start my regime to get a good back three which is key, at the minute it's the worst in the league probably the reason why Toulon are bottom but im here to get them off the bottom for sure bring it on I say.

What was your league position when you took over Sarries? I see the players you have brought in have all been good quality Bekker very good player for his height and tackling, McCalman amazing talent also Cowan, Evans and Fourie no need to state anything about them, you have done well to get them in also.
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Post by GloucesterBear Sat 21 May 2011, 1:13 pm

Steenkamp + Rees + Toeava + £5m
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Domingo + BDP + Kirchner

Domingo is better than Steenkamp, and BDP is my best player and would only let him go for somebody like Mealamu, Servat or somebody like I said to you yesterday. I would do Toeava for Kirchner as it will improve my back three, 5 million would help but I can't afford to let BDP go.

Steenkamp & Cowan & Toeava
4
Domingo & Kelleher & Kirchner

I think that is a better deal, not keen to sell my best asset in BDP and would rather deal on the scrum-halfs, if not I see McCalman was picked up by you I didn't know if anybody had him so could change Cowan 4 Kelleher to McCalman 4 Kankowski or just stick with the one im proposing maybe?

Just another question who has Victor Vito, is he still in the foreigns section?

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Post by GloucesterBear Sun 22 May 2011, 11:43 am

Morning it was very quiet yesterday is that normal?

Domingo + BDP + Kankowski + kirchner
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Steenkemp + Rees + McCalman + Toeava

That looks good and wouldn't expect nothing more, maybe add a cheeky 3 million to your part of the deal possibly?

If not I think that's good enough to confirm, do you think if I try and get an experienced side together it would be rated?

Thanks again for the offer you can confirm if you feel up to it.
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Post by GloucesterBear Sun 22 May 2011, 12:13 pm

Ok thank you I changed my side.

Do you think experience counts in this game, could it possibly get me out of bottom place or shall I just buy the best players which are left and be done with and wait and see?

Or go with a mixture of young and experience?

Im keen on players like Mortlock, D.Wallace, Howlett etc...

Would they be rated at all?
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Post by GloucesterBear Sun 22 May 2011, 12:53 pm

Doesn't matter just update it whenever.

You have also mentioned some good players there, Higginbotham can play 6 and 8 and looks a good prospect. Ouedraego would be a very good signing aswell.

Wing definitely need one of those for sure, Turner best bet by far I like Doug Howlett though as I have got in Toeava off you. North not too keen on him just yet still only young, I like the look of Luke Morahan for the Reds aswell.

Thank you for the steps they have been helpful.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 22 May 2011, 1:50 pm

I'll be honest, I see Domingo/Beast as pretty level and Smith/Kank as a huge huge drop.

I'd be slightly interested but not to lose one of my best players for an average backrower.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 22 May 2011, 2:05 pm

I think Domingo is slighty better but Beast was around most peoples 1-3 so pretty happy. Not worth losing the best blindside in rugby mate sorry.

You couldn't give me Kank for free, awful player.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 22 May 2011, 2:13 pm

Also think Beast is underated if anything, he scrummages well even though JdP is a total liability. He carries like a flanker and I've not seen many get the better of him in the set piece.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 22 May 2011, 2:16 pm

Sorry I tend to just get to the point lol.

You've worked wonders really. Sort out 8 and 15 and you'll be in the playoff final without doubt.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 22 May 2011, 2:20 pm

Beast not best LH in SA? If you're talking about Steenkamp, he's tripe. Gets mullered in the set piece although great in the loose. Beast is twice the player hence Beast 25yo and 15/16 caps and Steenkamp 30 and 20.

Steenkamp got most of those whilst Beast was injured/visa issues

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 23 May 2011, 11:36 am

Could I loan Matt Parr mate for either Messem or David for 2 weeks

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 23 May 2011, 12:29 pm

A little lob sided but I need a prop lol...cheers mate.

So swap back after the next round fella

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Post by Driver Mon 23 May 2011, 3:50 pm

Cheers mate

Rate him at lot higher at 13 than on the wing , although he has took to 12 quite nicely lol.

Thought he changed the game when he came on for England against Scotland at 13. Got over the gain line a lot more than Tindall did and he's got such soft hands in the offload!
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Post by Driver Mon 23 May 2011, 3:59 pm

Only got 21 fit players myself lol so theres no chance of that sorry
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Post by GloucesterBear Mon 23 May 2011, 5:33 pm

Bloody hell you have done well there lad, team looks much better!

Serious issues with 12 though.

How about

Contepomi
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Steenkemp

Thank you, I have 6 and centre to worry about now I think Visser can stay on the wing for the time being unless anybody wants him. He is a cracking player just a shame his Dutch, a Dutch player in Rugby is strange but at least he is a promising one.

Guildford is on form, Mealamu is experienced and along with Bismark my favourite hooker, just centre now to think about.

To the above it's a no, I know it would help but then would leave me with a tighthead to worry about.
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Post by GloucesterBear Tue 24 May 2011, 4:29 pm

As you seem the only one to be active on this game, just enquiring about the following deal.

Cowan & Maitland & Strettle
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Kelleher & Visser & Tuilagi

Thank you
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Post by pullthestrings Thu 26 May 2011, 11:05 pm


Domingo + Kirchner + Kankowski + 5m
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Ayerza + Dagg + Spies

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Not really keen on that. Ayerza is more than capable, and not a weakness whereas I think Kankowski would be considered one.

I'm tempted to do a big deal you know, something like:

Domingo + Nallet + Alberts + Burger + Gear
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Ayerza + Russouw + Croft + McCaw + Turner

Enq.

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Post by pullthestrings Thu 26 May 2011, 11:15 pm

Dagg's one that I'd struggle to lose - simply because the replacement would be Maitland or Kirchner.. Does he HAVE to be involved?

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Post by Fluxy Thu 26 May 2011, 11:22 pm

Are Domingo and Gear Available?

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Post by Fluxy Thu 26 May 2011, 11:27 pm

I knew you'd make that offer! Rolling Eyes

Not looking to lose Toeava I'm afraid

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Post by pullthestrings Thu 26 May 2011, 11:30 pm

Would say there are better full backs than Masi available - Aplon off the top of my head but I'm sure there are others. Kirchner will do a job at FB, but won't set the world alight. With Maitland and Gear it may well do some good to have some stability back there and let them do what they do.

You'd be better off bidding for an 8 - Easter, Higginbotham perhaps?

Seriously mate, your side is unreal considering what you had before - and the bench is very strong. You've done very well.

But as I said, I can't really lose Spies for Kank or Dagg for Kirchner.

I'll go to Clermont for Jenkins Wink

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Post by Fluxy Thu 26 May 2011, 11:35 pm

Aha true.

Depends how much mate.

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Post by pullthestrings Thu 26 May 2011, 11:39 pm

You've got £30 mil - what you waiting for?! If you're considering getting two players out of that by relasing Kank I would advise against it - the two players won't be as good as what you already have for £19 mil a piece (assuming you got 8 mil for Kank)

Just get in a top player and wait a couple of weeks. As I said - Kirchner is fine for now.

Enq:

Domingo + Nallet + Burger + Gear
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Ayerza + Russouw + McCaw + Turner

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Post by Fluxy Thu 26 May 2011, 11:43 pm

So

Domingo + Kirchener + £12m
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Steenkamp + Toeava?

Deal mate

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Post by Fluxy Thu 26 May 2011, 11:48 pm

Kind of hinging on you though mate, would like a quick response.
You get what you want, two thirds an SA front row, NZL nack three
Otherwise I'll have to cancel everything else.

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Post by Fluxy Thu 26 May 2011, 11:56 pm

Cheers mate Hug

Would do Paul James for £13?

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Post by Fluxy Fri 27 May 2011, 12:22 am

I was about to message you, but seems like you've made your mind up!

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Post by Fluxy Fri 27 May 2011, 12:28 am

Faure is quite good, how much have you got left and where do you need to cover, I can help.

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Post by Fluxy Fri 27 May 2011, 12:41 am

Faure would be good, the thing with hookers is the quality is quite poor in releases.

I'd be willing to give you P James for the release price.

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 27 May 2011, 9:58 am

Cash boost?? Ok i'll let you do that
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Post by Driver Fri 27 May 2011, 12:06 pm

Dixon + Waldrom
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Britz + Kankowsk

I'll deal on that mate
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Post by Driver Fri 27 May 2011, 1:04 pm

What if we delay the Waldrom/Kanko part till the injury is healed?
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 27 May 2011, 2:58 pm

Same here, im really thinking towards Kahui but is there any need for a 13.

Evans plays 13 and Davies can play 13, so im better off with a 12 who though is the thing I can't decide on.

De Jongh, Olivier or Flutey but De Jongh can play both but I think he is more of a 13.

Really stuck.
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri 27 May 2011, 3:36 pm

I suppose your right, when drafted back in he played a blinder and no point dropping him if he is in that sort of form.

De Villiers can play on the wing aswell, bit surprised he isn't starting there either. Aplon and Habana are scary with their pace but never really threaten teams.
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Post by Driver Fri 27 May 2011, 3:45 pm

So the offer would be

Brits for Dixon and Henson?
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Post by Driver Fri 27 May 2011, 4:08 pm

Britz and Kank
4
Dixon and Waldrom and Henson

I'll do that them mate
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Post by pullthestrings Mon 30 May 2011, 2:43 pm

Steenkamp + Nallet
=
Russouw + Domingo

Enq.

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Post by BANAFAN-AKA-HON Tue 31 May 2011, 1:16 pm

cheers dude - not a wigglesworth fan - jones is ok . . . .

heres who i would be interested in from your side mate (not including the top players I know you won't want to loose ie like nonu & gear etc . . .)

Kahui
Strettle
Nallet
Alberts
Stevens
Henson
Waldrom

have a think about those guys mate and what you might do ?

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Post by BANAFAN-AKA-HON Tue 31 May 2011, 1:29 pm

thats a decent offer but I can't loose Hari - he's my McCAw!! Smile

how about somethign including Hape & Elsom?

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Post by BANAFAN-AKA-HON Tue 31 May 2011, 1:54 pm

will consider although I have Halfpenny, traille, slade all able to play full back - however wil get back to you mate as I am just sorting out my page after doing a deal . . . Smile

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Post by BANAFAN-AKA-HON Tue 31 May 2011, 2:01 pm

how about something like . . .

Alberts (Key) + Strettle + Stevens (both rotation)
for
Elsom (invaluable) + Myler

its just an inquiry?

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Post by BANAFAN-AKA-HON Tue 31 May 2011, 2:06 pm

ok nice one - will look for the old price list - thats great thanks.

wil post on here for the other bids as well mate ^^^ see above Wink

cheers

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