Froch v Groves 2, to be officially announced on Ringside 13/2

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Claims the IBF president, likely to take place in May. Hope George finishes the job this time.

http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-groves-ii-agreement-reached-confirms-ibf-prez--74593

Cheers Rodders

Doesn't look like it will be Notts. This is going to be huge!

If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

DAVE667 wrote:If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

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DAVE667 wrote:If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

I like that!

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

I like that!

Piece of p!ss this promoting lark.

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

I like that!

Piece of p!ss this promoting lark.

Harder or easier than making tea?

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Izzi wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

I like that!

Piece of p!ss this promoting lark.

Harder or easier than making tea?

Easier for me but maybe not so much for you...then again, I'm clever

DAVE667 wrote:

Izzi wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

I like that!

Piece of p!ss this promoting lark.

Harder or easier than making tea?

Easier for me but maybe not so much for you...then again, I'm clever special

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DAVE667 wrote:

Izzi wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

I like that!

Piece of p!ss this promoting lark.

Harder or easier than making tea?

Easier for me but maybe not so much for you...then again, I'm clever

Izzi doesn't need to know how, he/she has a butler.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Izzi wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Eddie's struggling for a hook line, call it "UNFINISHED BUSINESS!"

I like that!

Piece of p!ss this promoting lark.

Harder or easier than making tea?

Easier for me but maybe not so much for you...then again, I'm clever

Izzi doesn't need to know how, he/she has a butler.

Also has a butler to help him with the difficult task of ringing the bell for the other butler

"Blame It on Ginger"..

Brings back good memories

Joining the party late here, almost nervous with excitement!

Have a horrible feeling that GG missed the boat but I never gave him a hope last time sonot wwriting him off at all.

Utterly staggered that so many people seem to think Froch can adjust to win. Absolutely no chance in my opinion. GG is better in almost every technical department, if he doesn't fade or get hurt then he wins at a canter. Big ifs though of course.

GG could win this in the coming months though if he plays his cards right. So much will be down to the buildup.

Groves being technically better is true but he's not as tough, durable nor does he have the fitness levels of Froch. In the first fight Groves shot his bolt in the 6th looking for a knockout, Froch absorbed everything he had to throw and then started to march him down. The ending was unsatisfactory but the tide in that fight had turned.

What does Groves do to make sure there isn't a repeat of that, does he risk it all again looking for an early knockout or does he risk throwing less, inviting Froch onto him in the hope of conserving energy for the later rounds?

Very exciting news and a great result for boxing fans!.

Think this fight will be another cracker. Groves is the quicker and the slicker of the two and i think he will aim to be more disciplined and not engage with Carl as readily this time round. He will try to dictate the fight with his speed and superior jab. If he stays disciplined and utilises that jab again Froch could be on the end of a fairly lopsided loss if he cant get close enough to engage.

However these grudge fights always have a habit of turning into a war at some stage and i think Carl will try and force the fight this way as early as he can as this is where Carl is at his very best.

I think Froch will start sharper and look to get inside to unsettle Groves and rough him up early doors to stop George from dictating and using his superior speed and jab.

I might stick a tenner on carl but a groves win wouldnt surprise me very much as close to a 50-50 you can get me thinks!.

Does Froch have that same level of toughness, durability and fitness come May?! Given he did take a hell of a lot of shots last time out...and before that against Kessler we can't be sure he is going to be the same. Especially when you factor in his age and another 7 months out of the ring by the time the fight takes place.

I said it in an earlier post but will say it again...fitness is much easier to improve than a boxers technical ability. Groves can at least do something to improve his conditioning this time around...obviously no guarantee he can get better but far better chance than Froch has of changing his technique and style in order not to get completely outboxed again.

Another point people seem to have forgotten is that Groves had changes occur in the build up to the first fight...with a solid and settled training camp behind him chances are he may well perform even better in the rematch.

With fitness Owen, you either have it or you don't, it's a physiological attribute that we're all born with, all depends on lung capacity, lactic acid levels etc. The fact that his fitness started to give out on him in the biggest fight of his career suggests that it's something he just doesn't have, he can improve it a bit but he'll never be super fit.

You make a fair point about Frochs age being a factor but even if his chin has started to crack and his fitness is waning, he will still trump Groves in both categories.

Froch getting outboxed does get overplayed a bit, it started off being one sided but by the time of the stoppage, I like a few others had it 77-74, possibly being 85-84 after 9 rounds.

Think the most common card was  78-73 hammy. With a fair few like yours and a fair few 79-72s. No doubt the tide had turned, but decisively? We'll never know.

I take your point on fitness, groves has tended to look ragged later in fights, bit like kel brook. Without knowing the training regimes and attitudes of the individuals its hard to know how much is genetic and how much work ethic and methodology. Hard to believe that's an issue for gg, so could be genetics. Interesting that haye (one of the few people not surprised by how the fight went) pointed out how good groves fitness levels are... And also how good his power of recuperation is (something we never got to see).

If he is super fit, it could be nervous energy expended in a fight that effects him, or just lack of pacing. Both things that can be worked on. Of more a concern to me for his chances, as I've mentioned several times is his habit of swinging back when hurt.

78-73 or 77-74 seems about right to me depending on how the 7th round was scored which I gave to Froch for his flurries.

It's an odd one really, Groves like Ward is very measured in his approach and doesn't ever look like he's over exerting himself but the pair of them start to wilt down the stretch. Nervous energy should only really play a part if you're not in tip top condition but Taylor was a supreme athlete who again had stamina problems. Without any inside knowledge it's hard to know what the problem is but like you I doubt it's anything to with his work ethic which comes across as being superb.

Isn't it great listening to how everyone describes Groves as this beast now when in fact the same people had him down to be splattered in 3 rounds last time.

Anyhoooooo

I have a feeling Froch is going to win this rematch and it isn't going to live up to the first fight. Not sure if Froch will get a genuine stoppage or decision. Just have a feeling this is going to end with Groves getting the wrong end of the outcome.

I don't think Froch took him serious last time and thought he could just throw one punch and that was that.

This time he will be more than ready. Plus Grove might try to show boat etc and down the stretch maybe tire again ... I dunno. It's gonna be a while before I put money down.

Think the biggest criticism of groves was he didn't know how to weather froch storm, tried to get Macho. He had a lead a needed to preserve it, think he will be much more astute this time round. Personally I hope froch loses, take nothing away from the guy in terms if his career but the man is a clown. Cannot stand his arrogance, it borders on stupidity.

The arrogance of a great british boxer in Froch who has achieved his fair share in the sport is frowned upon but the stupidity of Fury is lauded and enjoyed.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Isn't it great listening to how everyone describes Groves as this beast now when in fact the same people had him down to be splattered in 3 rounds last time.

Isn't that because he looked really good and had the power to badly hurt someone with an iron chin? Fair enough for people to change their mind after learning something new about a fighter. Groves' power certainly surprised me.

I cannot wait for this one. My prediction for the first fight was Groves to get an early lead and Froch to steamroll him. As it happens that's what transpired in purely descriptive terms, but the way it actually went down was totally surprising to me. Groves not only out-boxed Froch, but he out-fought and out-muscled him....and for more than half the fight. I think his lack of experience showed near the stoppage - not that I agree with it at all - but I think he could have made it more obvious that he was ok. I absolutely don't agree with the 'he was getting knocked out anyway' argument.

A big part of me sees Groves KOing Froch this time. But I can easily imagine being proven totally wrong. Very hard to judge this one. Its one of those rare fights that you just can't call.

Boxthis Groves' ability was always there. But people rode the Froch train and ignored that. I don't hear many people call Groves "chinny" now, and a fighter is supposed to ALWAYS be chinny.

Not saying you are one of the people who I'm on about. I said in the previous build up that Groves wouldn't be out of his depth although I did think Froch would win. But it's funny how those who where too ignorant to see the last fight for what it was (a pretty even fight) now have reversed things by saying Groves will retire Froch.

By the way, I should mention my mini rant was after a brief spell on twitter haha

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Boxthis Groves' ability was always there. But people rode the Froch train and ignored that. I don't hear many people call Groves "chinny" now, and a fighter is supposed to ALWAYS be chinny.

Not saying you are one of the people who I'm on about. I said in the previous build up that Groves wouldn't be out of his depth although I did think Froch would win. But it's funny how those who where too ignorant to see the last fight for what it was (a pretty even fight) now have reversed things by saying Groves will retire Froch.

By the way, I should mention my mini rant was after a brief spell on twitter haha

Common guys, let's not make Groves out to be some super slick punching machine - he's not. Froch thought he could just walk forwards, swarm Groves and it'd be all over. He was wrong, but that doesn't put the ginger kid on some sort of Ward-esque level of being technically amazing - his face suggested he had been cracked a fair few times y'know.

I sit one side of the fence in this. Froch simply came in under cooked mentally and it showed. If any of you have played sport to a high level you'd understand how you turn up thinking the job is already done and you lose that edge of intensity, suddenly you're losing and you then give yourself a gee up.... Yet nothing much changes.. Then desperation starts to kick in and there's a lag from that moment until your subconscious concentration hitting the super alert levels, the decision making levels that weren't there in the first place.

Froch, in my mind, won't make the same mistake again. Which is why I'm sat on my garden seat made out of marble on the side of the fence that Froch wins and it's much easier for him than before.

Mark my words...... Likes of Dave best get their Sunday best cutlery out for the humble pie!

Don't much believe in pyschological battles , but did anyone see Ringside ? Froch looked rattled already a fidgeting state, resorting in silly insults. Come May I wouldn't be surprised if Groves has the majority of the crowd, Froch acting like a bell-end once again.

Cheers Rodders

Has anyone got he link to ringside? Sadly I was otherwise engaged and missed it.

www.skysports.com

Izzi wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Boxthis Groves' ability was always there. But people rode the Froch train and ignored that. I don't hear many people call Groves "chinny" now, and a fighter is supposed to ALWAYS be chinny.

Not saying you are one of the people who I'm on about. I said in the previous build up that Groves wouldn't be out of his depth although I did think Froch would win. But it's funny how those who where too ignorant to see the last fight for what it was (a pretty even fight) now have reversed things by saying Groves will retire Froch.

By the way, I should mention my mini rant was after a brief spell on twitter haha

Common guys, let's not make Groves out to be some super slick punching machine - he's not. Froch thought he could just walk forwards, swarm Groves and it'd be all over. He was wrong, but that doesn't put the ginger kid on some sort of Ward-esque level of being technically amazing - his face suggested he had been cracked a fair few times y'know.

I sit one side of the fence in this. Froch simply came in under cooked mentally and it showed. If any of you have played sport to a high level you'd understand how you turn up thinking the job is already done and you lose that edge of intensity, suddenly you're losing and you then give yourself a gee up.... Yet nothing much changes.. Then desperation starts to kick in and there's a lag from that moment until your subconscious concentration hitting the super alert levels, the decision making levels that weren't there in the first place.

Froch, in my mind, won't make the same mistake again. Which is why I'm sat on my garden seat made out of marble on the side of the fence that Froch wins and it's much easier for him than before.

Mark my words...... Likes of Dave best get their Sunday best cutlery out for the humble pie!

Well at least you've dropped the 'Froch will totally reinvent himself and do something new and spectacular, dropping all his flaws he's fought with all his career overnight' codswallop.

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Meant YouTube as I'm one of the few allowed to use it at work as I'm that bloody important.

We're not having this conversation again.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Izzi wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Boxthis Groves' ability was always there. But people rode the Froch train and ignored that. I don't hear many people call Groves "chinny" now, and a fighter is supposed to ALWAYS be chinny.

Not saying you are one of the people who I'm on about. I said in the previous build up that Groves wouldn't be out of his depth although I did think Froch would win. But it's funny how those who where too ignorant to see the last fight for what it was (a pretty even fight) now have reversed things by saying Groves will retire Froch.

By the way, I should mention my mini rant was after a brief spell on twitter haha

Common guys, let's not make Groves out to be some super slick punching machine - he's not. Froch thought he could just walk forwards, swarm Groves and it'd be all over. He was wrong, but that doesn't put the ginger kid on some sort of Ward-esque level of being technically amazing - his face suggested he had been cracked a fair few times y'know.

I sit one side of the fence in this. Froch simply came in under cooked mentally and it showed. If any of you have played sport to a high level you'd understand how you turn up thinking the job is already done and you lose that edge of intensity, suddenly you're losing and you then give yourself a gee up.... Yet nothing much changes.. Then desperation starts to kick in and there's a lag from that moment until your subconscious concentration hitting the super alert levels, the decision making levels that weren't there in the first place.

Froch, in my mind, won't make the same mistake again. Which is why I'm sat on my garden seat made out of marble on the side of the fence that Froch wins and it's much easier for him than before.

Mark my words...... Likes of Dave best get their Sunday best cutlery out for the humble pie!

Well at least you've dropped the 'Froch will totally reinvent himself and do something new and spectacular, dropping all his flaws he's fought with all his career overnight' codswallop.

Well he might try circling to his right and fire the left down the shute.

Saying that the warrior will probably just stand there in the trenches whilst all manner of hostile incoming warrior ending punches rain down, but warriors don't wear rain coats as they don't need them as they're impervious to punches and he'll still knock him out.

I shouldn't be allowed caffeine

Rowley wrote:We're not having this conversation again.

About the skysports YouTube channel?

About streaming, if you want to find the link to it look for yourself, do not discuss it on here.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Izzi wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Boxthis Groves' ability was always there. But people rode the Froch train and ignored that. I don't hear many people call Groves "chinny" now, and a fighter is supposed to ALWAYS be chinny.

Not saying you are one of the people who I'm on about. I said in the previous build up that Groves wouldn't be out of his depth although I did think Froch would win. But it's funny how those who where too ignorant to see the last fight for what it was (a pretty even fight) now have reversed things by saying Groves will retire Froch.

By the way, I should mention my mini rant was after a brief spell on twitter haha

Common guys, let's not make Groves out to be some super slick punching machine - he's not. Froch thought he could just walk forwards, swarm Groves and it'd be all over. He was wrong, but that doesn't put the ginger kid on some sort of Ward-esque level of being technically amazing - his face suggested he had been cracked a fair few times y'know.

I sit one side of the fence in this. Froch simply came in under cooked mentally and it showed. If any of you have played sport to a high level you'd understand how you turn up thinking the job is already done and you lose that edge of intensity, suddenly you're losing and you then give yourself a gee up.... Yet nothing much changes.. Then desperation starts to kick in and there's a lag from that moment until your subconscious concentration hitting the super alert levels, the decision making levels that weren't there in the first place.

Froch, in my mind, won't make the same mistake again. Which is why I'm sat on my garden seat made out of marble on the side of the fence that Froch wins and it's much easier for him than before.

Mark my words...... Likes of Dave best get their Sunday best cutlery out for the humble pie!

Well at least you've dropped the 'Froch will totally reinvent himself and do something new and spectacular, dropping all his flaws he's fought with all his career overnight' codswallop.

Does indeed make a refreshing change Toppy

As for Izzi, I've no problems giving Froch his dues if I think he deserves them. I did it with the Abraham fight and if he shows a marked improvement against Groves I'll have no problems giving him his props again. Sadly, like many who just look to score a few cheap points in an effort to appear clever/amusing but end up failing miserably, you confuse my dislike for Froch the boring "I'm a warrior blah blah" person with my critique of Froch the tough but not particularly skilled fighter. Froch had made the utmost of his limited abilities and should be applauded for his willingness to take on pretty much everyone, but like others on here we, with a fair amount of justification struggle to see what improvements Froch can make to his game. Like Hatton, he is what he is and whilst it's served him well, it will only take him so far. Some see his reversal of the Kessler loss as him being a better fighter whereas others see it as him getting Kessler at the right time.

We'll see what we see and I'll look forward to the fight. I picked Groves last time but stated it wouldn't surprise me if Froch got the win (poor stoppage aside) and I haven't changed my mind re the outcome of this one.

Ko magazine did an article on rematches and found that 80& were won by the guy who won the first time and generally much sooner...

Not sure much has changed since..

Have a feeling the may apply here

Apologies old boy, wasn't insinuating a dodgy link.

Back on topic.

There's not a huge amount of time left to find the venue, sort tickets out etc. By my rubbish maths I make it 106 days. For a fight of this magnitude I would probably expect the venue to be announced and tickets to go on relatively quickly... That might just be my excitement getting the better of me.

As I one busy guy I won't be able to catch the video until mid afternoon... To echo rodders what was said? Just the usual childish insults from Froch I'd assume?

The only bit I saw was when the replayed the hilarious moment from the original Ringside episode with poor Eddie wedged betwixt the two, not knowing where to look or what to say, when GG totally upstaged Froch and made him look silly. Froch's personality void really exposed.

Yup not the smartest, only have to look at his complete twonk of a brother (who hasn't had the benefit of PR guidance) to see what a bunch of thickwits the family is.

Would be better of just doing what Joe Root does and smiling after getting a few insults thrown his way.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Ko magazine did an article on rematches and found that 80& were won by the guy who won the first time and generally much sooner...

Not sure much has changed since..

Have a feeling the may apply here

....who really won though?

Three and a half months id lot's of time Izzi.

Think about teams who make the champions league final sorting tickets out for a foreign venue in a short time

Well Froch, there's no way you can say Groves won.

Izzi wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Boxthis Groves' ability was always there. But people rode the Froch train and ignored that. I don't hear many people call Groves "chinny" now, and a fighter is supposed to ALWAYS be chinny.

Not saying you are one of the people who I'm on about. I said in the previous build up that Groves wouldn't be out of his depth although I did think Froch would win. But it's funny how those who where too ignorant to see the last fight for what it was (a pretty even fight) now have reversed things by saying Groves will retire Froch.

By the way, I should mention my mini rant was after a brief spell on twitter haha

Common guys, let's not make Groves out to be some super slick punching machine - he's not. Froch thought he could just walk forwards, swarm Groves and it'd be all over. He was wrong, but that doesn't put the ginger kid on some sort of Ward-esque level of being technically amazing - his face suggested he had been cracked a fair few times y'know.

I sit one side of the fence in this. Froch simply came in under cooked mentally and it showed. If any of you have played sport to a high level you'd understand how you turn up thinking the job is already done and you lose that edge of intensity, suddenly you're losing and you then give yourself a gee up.... Yet nothing much changes.. Then desperation starts to kick in and there's a lag from that moment until your subconscious concentration hitting the super alert levels, the decision making levels that weren't there in the first place.

Froch, in my mind, won't make the same mistake again. Which is why I'm sat on my garden seat made out of marble on the side of the fence that Froch wins and it's much easier for him than before.

Mark my words...... Likes of Dave best get their Sunday best cutlery out for the humble pie!

Its hard to up your tempo in any sporting contest if you don't set off with the right intensity. Even more so if someone dumps you on your 'arris early on.

I don't think froch took him lightly though. I think he felt real pressure from fighting an underdog who was British... Where he was expected to win comfortably (a pressure he added fuel to himself).

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Well Froch, there's no way you can say Groves won.

Wouldn't say Froch won it, more like gifted it by the ref. Groves was definitely the peoples winner.

Izzi wrote:Which is why I'm sat on my garden seat made out of marble on the side of the fence that Froch wins and it's much easier for him than before.

Well, to be fair, it couldn't have been much harder for him last November could it?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Well Froch, there's no way you can say Groves won.

The rematch stats truss quoted are driven by two things.. Firstly there's an argument the better guy usually wins first time, secondly the psychological edge they have from winning the first time (or more relevantly the lack of belief the opponent is likely to have).

Do either apply here? Depends on whether groves was really in trouble, and whether froch truly believes he really was. Hard to say. Think its evens myself, even tough mofo froch knows he got out of jail early on and will be wary, I think, of taking liberties in the rematch. Groves will be wary of gassing.

Only thing we're guaranteed for this fight is that Froch takes another pasting for at least the first six rounds.

Good points Milky...

Another driver of those stats is also lack of surprise..2nd time around..

DAVE667 wrote:

Izzi wrote:Which is why I'm sat on my garden seat made out of marble on the side of the fence that Froch wins and it's much easier for him than before.

Well, to be fair, it couldn't have been much harder for him last November could it?

Well done eagle eyed chap. Still expecting Groves to have his moments, can't see Froch steaming in quite as rashly as he did before.

Having said that he'll probably get dropped twice in the first round this time.

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:Only thing we're guaranteed for this fight is that Froch takes another pasting for at least the first six rounds.

"Guaranteed": promise with certainty

Careful fella