Froch v Groves 2, to be officially announced on Ringside 13/2

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Claims the IBF president, likely to take place in May. Hope George finishes the job this time.

http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-groves-ii-agreement-reached-confirms-ibf-prez--74593

Cheers Rodders

I'm not sure either of them will think they lost the first fight but will Froch think he won? I want Froch to win but there's so many question marks about game plans and mentality I'm sitting on the fence.

As mentioned by GG on Ringside, I think he knows he can get inside Froch's head. And so does Froch.

Froch will think without the knockdown he wins a lot easier..

Froch is limited, slow and easy to hit.
His reliance on his toughness is probably starting to take its toll.
I have doubts of the stamina of Groves. But if he hurts Froch early, which I think he will, he has to finish him.

It's a complete mare to bet on this as well. Part of me thinks that the odds are good enough to straddle bet either Froch by stoppage or Groves on points. Keep thinking Groves will be cuter and just box, not get drawn in to a war etc.. But then looking at the scoring from the first fight it's dependant on what the judges see as they were almost level on the cards

Anyone see the Ringside program before the first fight where Froch is sitting beside Hearn and has his arm over Eddie's shoulder?

Froch starts rubbing the side of Eddie's neck and then his ear as Hearn is talking. All the while Frock is blinking like a lunatic who has popped one two many valium. Eddie didn't know where to look.

J.Benson II wrote:Froch is limited, slow and easy to hit

Can't be that bad having been one of the top SMWs for a number of years.

Wish I could be that rubbish and earn the money he has.

Think Groves will be wary of Froch's power...Benson..

If he was wary of Froch on spaghetti legs...Chances are he'll fight cautious...this time..

People will be disappointed..

Froch early or Froch by stinker decision.

Like I said, had Groves dropped him earlier in the first there's every possibility Froch gets stopped inside three minutes...say what you like he was badly hurt. People talk about Groves starting quicker in the rematch and it being a bad idea as he'll walk onto something from Froch but given Groves is still tactically astute, I think he'll still look to land big on Froch early doors. It will either put Froch into attack mode and he'll undoubtedly leave himself open to counters or he'll go into his shell and be cautious of throwing anything.

Groves and his corner need to ensure that their focus is absolute and they don't get to carried away with their performance.

Not sure how Froch is going to avoid those right hands and even if Groves doesn't force the knockdown or stop Froch, he should still score heavily from that punch.

Izzi wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:Froch is limited, slow and easy to hit

Can't be that bad having been one of the top SMWs for a number of years.

Wish I could be that rubbish and earn the money he has.

He has his attributes of course - strong, tough, great stamina, very tough and plenty of heart.
Skill wise I don't really rate him too highly, sharp jab aside.

Why does no-one EVER try and work the body with Froch.?

For me, his chin isn't as good as it was, work the body, drop the hands and land on his noggin. Switch it upstairs and downstairs so he doesn't know where the next shot is coming from.

Hazard a guess Dave but it might be he has a decent immunity to body punching as a well. That and his chin is dangling there to be hit, kinda like dangling a carrot infront of a donkey and telling him to ignore it

Why isn't his chin as good as it was??

I thought the right that decked him finishes most 168ers.

Look at Paul Smith

Didn't Smith get back up?

Izzi wrote:Hazard a guess Dave but it might be he has a decent immunity to body punching as a well. That and his chin is dangling there to be hit, kinda like dangling a carrot infront of a donkey and telling him to ignore it

Very few fighters are immune to being hit in the slats dear chap. A punch to the short rib is generally devastating and I don't give a **** what your six pack is like, it doesn't help a bit.

Izzi wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:Froch is limited, slow and easy to hit

Can't be that bad having been one of the top SMWs for a number of years.

Wish I could be that rubbish and earn the money he has.

Thought you already did Mr Millionaire...??

Izzi wrote:Didn't Smith get back up?

Not the second time.

Ward hurt Froch repeatedly to the body, I imagine Groves gameplan went a bit of the window aswell when he floored Froch and went hunting Frochs chin all night long after that.

Cheers Rodders

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Izzi wrote:Didn't Smith get back up?

Not the second time.

Thought he got stopped after getting up?

Easier to get out of range when you head hunt..You don't have to lean in as much..

Thought Groves fought the perfect fight...

It was all about avoiding getting caught and that's hard to do for 9 rounds with his skill set

Izzi wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Izzi wrote:Didn't Smith get back up?

Not the second time.

Thought he got stopped after getting up?

If you mean, was it a Pac-Hatton type ko? Then I agree it wasn't.

But as Truss said, it was a proper finishing punch. Not like the stoppage JdG had got a few fights previous.

Just rewatched, he did jelly-leg his way back up. Was getting hit and dropped at will though.

Vaguely remember the first knockdown being a peach of a right hand? To be fair it's not a fight that sticks in the memory, was the first fight that made me think he'd developed some decent power though.

Even though I'm on the side of the fence of Froch winning I'm not totally biased that I can't see the scenario where Froch gets stopped, just think it unlikely hence why I'm on said side of the fence.

Would be worried about the ref jumping in too late this time though if Froch does have him going, vice a versa could see the ref stopping Froch if he goes down like before. Hopefully not as couldn't stand Dave banging on about it for a 3rd time

First was a true beaut. Particularly watching in slow-mo as you really appreciate how he got inside, let the big right go and then got his own chin out of range of Smith's big swinging counter all so quick and slick.

Love throwing one straight up the shute quick n slick-esque.

To me, the result of this fight hinges more on Groves' mind-set that anything that Froch can do or change. We know what to expect from Froch, it's been mostly successful throughout his career and his attitude will be "the same, but more so, and from the first bell this time." The Abraham fight has to be seen as an aberration, bearing in mind how Froch has fought in almost every other championship bout, and I don't expect him to fight like that against Groves.

The key must lie in Groves' approach. First, are there any scars from the ending of the last fight, however unjust? Does he genuinely believe that he took the best that Froch had to offer and was in a position to close out the fight if Foster hadn't intervened? Secondly and in direct contrast, will he wonder what it takes to get rid of Froch, whose resilience, if nothing else, in that first fight was nothing short of extraordinary? Third, can Groves learn the lessons of November and apply them to May? Tactically, can he vary things at the correct time and do what any person in any sport must look to achieve - doing what the opponent would least like?

One of the things about Groves that has always impressed me is his intelligence. It's why, regardless of the tightness of the decision in their fight, I have always thought that he would achieve more in the game than DeGale. It's also why I think that he will take Froch's title via decision when they fight next time. I expect him to start fast, as he did last time, employing the same initial strategy, although he can't really hope to have the same stunning success right away. Forewarned is forearmed and all that.

However, I also think that once he has racked up that points lead again, and I believe he will, he will not allow Froch the comfort of coming inside and impressing the judges and the referee with aggression. Froch doesn't mind taking three to land two heavier shots, and Groves must ensure that he doesn't have the opportunity as the fight gets into its later stages. That means a shift in tactics during the fight. Froch won't be happy if Groves keeps the fight at distance as time wears on and I think that George will have the chance to counter him at will from the outside as Carl seeks to reduce his points deficit. I see another good contest, with a reasonably comfortable points win, maybe something like 117-113, going to the younger, better rounded fighter.

Let's hope It gets settled this time...Heaven forbid...premature stoppage, Gift decision or cuts..

Anyway enough about Smith, British level fighter at best.

Never been to a stadium fight.. Those who saw Hatton, what were the price bands out of curiosity? How much were ringside more to the point?

Why don't you go with Chris and Rowley ?...

Sure they would love your company and insight.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Let's hope It gets settled this time...Heaven forbid...premature stoppage, Gift decision or cuts..

If it did, and went GG's way, could set up a nice trilogy though...??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why don't you go with Chris and Rowley ?...

Sure they would love your company and insight.

Rowlsssey, Chrissie?   

captain carrantuohil wrote:To me, the result of this fight hinges more on Groves' mind-set that anything that Froch can do or change. We know what to expect from Froch, it's been mostly successful throughout his career and his attitude will be "the same, but more so, and from the first bell this time." The Abraham fight has to be seen as an aberration, bearing in mind how Froch has fought in almost every other championship bout, and I don't expect him to fight like that against Groves.

The key must lie in Groves' approach. First, are there any scars from the ending of the last fight, however unjust? Does he genuinely believe that he took the best that Froch had to offer and was in a position to close out the fight if Foster hadn't intervened? Secondly and in direct contrast, will he wonder what it takes to get rid of Froch, whose resilience, if nothing else, in that first fight was nothing short of extraordinary? Third, can Groves learn the lessons of November and apply them to May? Tactically, can he vary things at the correct time and do what any person in any sport must look to achieve - doing what the opponent would least like?

One of the things about Groves that has always impressed me is his intelligence. It's why, regardless of the tightness of the decision in their fight, I have always thought that he would achieve more in the game than DeGale. It's also why I think that he will take Froch's title via decision when they fight next time. I expect him to start fast, as he did last time, employing the same initial strategy, although he can't really hope to have the same stunning success right away. Forewarned is forearmed and all that.

However, I also think that once he has racked up that points lead again, and I believe he will, he will not allow Froch the comfort of coming inside and impressing the judges and the referee with aggression. Froch doesn't mind taking three to land two heavier shots, and Groves must ensure that he doesn't have the opportunity as the fight gets into its later stages. That means a shift in tactics during the fight. Froch won't be happy if Groves keeps the fight at distance as time wears on and I think that George will have the chance to counter him at will from the outside as Carl seeks to reduce his points deficit. I see another good contest, with a reasonably comfortable points win, maybe something like 117-113, going to the younger, better rounded fighter.

For all that Froch has said about Groves being a whiny little kid, there much to admire in his mental fortitude. He walked into a real cauldron of emotion last year and took it in his stride. He's also had the strength of character to petition the IBF and BBBofc (albeit with mixed results). He's good a really good head on his shoulders and I find it hard to believe he's going to lose his rag after putting in the effort to get the rematch. He couldn't be bullied physically or mentally by Froch and I think the loss has only made him stronger.

As mention before with Froch it's "the same as before but a bit more" and was he to beat Groves I'd have little encouragement that he could overturn Ward whereas I'd be genuinely interested to see how Groves fared against Andre.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Let's hope It gets settled this time...Heaven forbid...premature stoppage, Gift decision or cuts..

If it did, and went GG's way, could set up a nice trilogy though...??

Hmm, Groves beats Froch and most will suggest it's because Froch is on the slide. No-one is interested in Froch/Kessler III due to them believing Kessler is done and I'm sure they'll feel the same about Froch/Groves III

Difficult to call, I'd lean towards Groves with the stipulation that he fights slightly differently to the first time. Offensively he was very sharp and mixed his attack well, it's his defence that I've always thought would have him found out (and I believe will in the future). I think he relies too much on his reflexes, which are decent rather than brilliant, and against a pressure fighter/brawler like Froch it's better to cover and spoil before escaping quickly. He was starting to get caught badly a few times each round from the 7th till the finish, and if he gives Froch an opening then I think he'll get stopped, as I believe he would have had the first fight continued.

DAVE667 wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:To me, the result of this fight hinges more on Groves' mind-set that anything that Froch can do or change. We know what to expect from Froch, it's been mostly successful throughout his career and his attitude will be "the same, but more so, and from the first bell this time." The Abraham fight has to be seen as an aberration, bearing in mind how Froch has fought in almost every other championship bout, and I don't expect him to fight like that against Groves.

The key must lie in Groves' approach. First, are there any scars from the ending of the last fight, however unjust? Does he genuinely believe that he took the best that Froch had to offer and was in a position to close out the fight if Foster hadn't intervened? Secondly and in direct contrast, will he wonder what it takes to get rid of Froch, whose resilience, if nothing else, in that first fight was nothing short of extraordinary? Third, can Groves learn the lessons of November and apply them to May? Tactically, can he vary things at the correct time and do what any person in any sport must look to achieve - doing what the opponent would least like?

One of the things about Groves that has always impressed me is his intelligence. It's why, regardless of the tightness of the decision in their fight, I have always thought that he would achieve more in the game than DeGale. It's also why I think that he will take Froch's title via decision when they fight next time. I expect him to start fast, as he did last time, employing the same initial strategy, although he can't really hope to have the same stunning success right away. Forewarned is forearmed and all that.

However, I also think that once he has racked up that points lead again, and I believe he will, he will not allow Froch the comfort of coming inside and impressing the judges and the referee with aggression. Froch doesn't mind taking three to land two heavier shots, and Groves must ensure that he doesn't have the opportunity as the fight gets into its later stages. That means a shift in tactics during the fight. Froch won't be happy if Groves keeps the fight at distance as time wears on and I think that George will have the chance to counter him at will from the outside as Carl seeks to reduce his points deficit. I see another good contest, with a reasonably comfortable points win, maybe something like 117-113, going to the younger, better rounded fighter.

For all that Froch has said about Groves being a whiny little kid, there much to admire in his mental fortitude. He walked into a real cauldron of emotion last year and took it in his stride. He's also had the strength of character to petition the IBF and BBBofc (albeit with mixed results). He's good a really good head on his shoulders and I find it hard to believe he's going to lose his rag after putting in the effort to get the rematch. He couldn't be bullied physically or mentally by Froch and I think the loss has only made him stronger.

As mention before with Froch it's "the same as before but a bit more" and was he to beat Groves I'd have little encouragement that he could overturn Ward whereas I'd be genuinely interested to see how Groves fared against Andre.

Since Az is not around I'll fill in in his absence and point out that few were that supportive when Khan did the same following the LP 'result'.

#issues #youreallabunchofracists

DAVE667 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Let's hope It gets settled this time...Heaven forbid...premature stoppage, Gift decision or cuts..

If it did, and went GG's way, could set up a nice trilogy though...??

Hmm, Groves beats Froch and most will suggest it's because Froch is on the slide. No-one is interested in Froch/Kessler III due to them believing Kessler is done and I'm sure they'll feel the same about Froch/Groves III

Only meant if it was equally contentious.

Anyway come on Hearn the biggest fight in Brit history needs a special chief support...

50,000.....plus ppv.....sponsorship, overseas rights and advertising means you can make Frampton an offer he can't refuse to skip his next fight..

Quigg v Frampton please....You can afford it with the relative peanuts Groves will be getting !!!

One thing I don't thinks been mentioned is that it was Froch who budged on the split.

Seem to remember a few posters saying he didn't want the fight etc....

Do we know the new split?

No idea, read Hearn had said Froch moved a bit which helped get the fight done.

To hazard a guess something like 65-35 purse with addons from PPV. Probably has a rematch clause whereas Groves doesn't.

Heard nada about ring size, gloves etc.

@mods - could we get in touch with matchroom on the above please regarding ring size, gloves etc?

Also tell them my security personnel will be escorting me in to the arena/stadium by elephant.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Do we know the new split?

Yeah for every extra £1000 Groves gets, Froch is allowed to mention the word "Warrior" seven times.


Groves now gets a career high payday of £10,000,000

DAVE667 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Do we know the new split?

Yeah for every extra £1000 Groves gets, Froch is allowed to mention the word "Warrior" seven times.


Groves now gets a career high payday of £10,000,000

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/jce/lowres/art-tattoo-tattooing-spiritual_warrior-warrior-body_art-jcen839l.jpg

"4 times world champion"

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"4 times world champion"

#

Has about as much credence as Broner's "three weight world champion" tag.

That's not the point..

Rob macraken has said they underestimated groves and they will be working on avoiding the right hand counter this time round . Im looking forward to seeing how they do this . I see groves landing it all night long again and think froch will become obsessed with avoiding it , it will leave him open for what ever ealse groves decides to throw . Point being groves can adapt and change style froch cant .

Bit of an admission. Translation 'we'd rather give the impression that we're unprofessional, than the give the impression that groves might be the better fighter.' I guess from a 'giving your fighter confidence' perspective,  it's the lesser of evils from mccracken's perspective.

Waiting now for froch to remind us that he had problems with his camp last time and was below his target trainiing levels. "I'm not making excuses but here is my excuse anyway"

Just looked at the odds and Froch is the 1/2 favourite with the bookies.

Froch also even money to get the stoppage by TKO/KO.

Imagine the odds will even out come fight night Stongy, any news on the venue ? Hope it's Old Trafford so I can drive.

Cheers Rodders