Mourhino: Wenger is a specialist in failure

by It Must Be Love Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

http://www.sportpulse.net/content/mourhino-taunts-arsenals-trophyless-run-wenger-specialist-failure-13917

Trophy-less for 8 years, but Arsenal did have financial restraints. And remember Wenger did many years ago win titles.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:09 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Seriously what is the point of posting this over and over and over again?

by Duty281 Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:10 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Pathetic, childish and attention-seeking.

Please act your age.

by skyeman Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:10 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Make that 201 times, why do the mods let such cretins infest this forum with their monotonous bullsh:t.

Why indeed.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:11 am

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Pathetic, childish and attention-seeking.

Please act your age.

A bit like your post right now.....

by Hammersmith harrier Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:12 am

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Pathetic, childish and attention-seeking.

Please act your age.

The mods wonder why I lose my rag on here sometimes, having to see a perfectly good forum ruined by WUM's is not why this site was set up, they would be well served to remember that those who made the initial jump made this site what it is not children like Dior.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:12 am

Olly wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Seriously what is the point of posting this over and over and over again?

I was showing skyeman what it looks like to put someone on your ignore list

by Duty281 Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:13 am

No Champagne, I'm simply informing you that you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd let you off if you were 14, not 26.

by Duty281 Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:14 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Pathetic, childish and attention-seeking.

Please act your age.
The mods wonder why I lose my rag on here sometimes, having to see a perfectly good forum ruined by WUM's is not why this site was set up, they would be well served to remember that those who made the initial jump made this site what it is not children like Dior.

Well as far as I can see, the cricket, rugby, boxing and tennis sections are frequently lost to the WUMs.

I'd hope the football section doesn't go the same way.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:15 am

Duty281 wrote:No Champagne, I'm simply informing you that you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd let you off if you were 14, not 26.

OPerhaps you shouldn't have said anything at all, unless of course you were looking for a mini argument and loooking for my attention which I suspect.

Anyway let us get back to the football discussion.

by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:15 am

I've never understood why ignore lists are called for really.

If you can't take a jab or two then forums in general aren't really the place for you.

Words on a screen can't hurt you.

by It Must Be Love Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:16 am

Guys please, no insults.

by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:17 am

Duty281 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Pathetic, childish and attention-seeking.

Please act your age.
The mods wonder why I lose my rag on here sometimes, having to see a perfectly good forum ruined by WUM's is not why this site was set up, they would be well served to remember that those who made the initial jump made this site what it is not children like Dior.

Well as far as I can see, the cricket, rugby, boxing and tennis sections are frequently lost to the WUMs.

I'd hope the football section doesn't go the same way.

I'll get my coat Laugh

Another Truro humdinger I see today Duty. Entertainers!

by Duty281 Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:18 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:No Champagne, I'm simply informing you that you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd let you off if you were 14, not 26.

OPerhaps you shouldn't have said anything at all, unless of course you were looking for a mini argument and loooking for my attention which I suspect.

Anyway let us get back to the football discussion.

Maybe I'm having a little word because you've already been warned once for such attention-seeking posts, and I'm giving you a helpful reminder?

by It Must Be Love Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:18 am

For the record I think Jose is talking about Arsene's record relative to Arsenals stature as a big club.

Yes he does not specifically say so, but I think that's the correct interpretation. Most teams aren't even competing for trophies, and Jose knows that... he could have worded it better though.

by GSC Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:18 am

You're all peni

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:19 am

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:No Champagne, I'm simply informing you that you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd let you off if you were 14, not 26.

OPerhaps you shouldn't have said anything at all, unless of course you were looking for a mini argument and loooking for my attention which I suspect.

Anyway let us get back to the football discussion.

Maybe I'm having a little word because you've already been warned once for such attention-seeking posts, and I'm giving you a helpful reminder?

Thank you for your 'reminder' (dig) but if I remember you were banned a few months ago for racism.....

by Duty281 Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:20 am

FreekShow wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Pathetic, childish and attention-seeking.

Please act your age.
The mods wonder why I lose my rag on here sometimes, having to see a perfectly good forum ruined by WUM's is not why this site was set up, they would be well served to remember that those who made the initial jump made this site what it is not children like Dior.

Well as far as I can see, the cricket, rugby, boxing and tennis sections are frequently lost to the WUMs.

I'd hope the football section doesn't go the same way.

I'll get my coat

Another Truro humdinger I see today Duty. Entertainers!

You know why I'm p!ssed Freek!

We're 2-0 down, admittedly with 10 men, and then our manager (a clown) takes off one of our strikers for a sodding defender! This was about 20 minutes after the red card. Grrrrrrrr.

by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:20 am

Mourinho got a little tetchy during his post match interview.

Just seen it on SKY Sports News.

The plot thickens.

by Duty281 Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:21 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:No Champagne, I'm simply informing you that you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd let you off if you were 14, not 26.

OPerhaps you shouldn't have said anything at all, unless of course you were looking for a mini argument and loooking for my attention which I suspect.

Anyway let us get back to the football discussion.

Maybe I'm having a little word because you've already been warned once for such attention-seeking posts, and I'm giving you a helpful reminder?

Thank you for your 'reminder' (dig) but if I remember you were banned a few months ago for racism.....

Slander, actually.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:21 am

Duty281 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Pathetic, childish and attention-seeking.

Please act your age.
The mods wonder why I lose my rag on here sometimes, having to see a perfectly good forum ruined by WUM's is not why this site was set up, they would be well served to remember that those who made the initial jump made this site what it is not children like Dior.

Well as far as I can see, the cricket, rugby, boxing and tennis sections are frequently lost to the WUMs.

I'd hope the football section doesn't go the same way.

I'll get my coat

Another Truro humdinger I see today Duty. Entertainers!

You know why I'm p!ssed Freek!

We're 2-0 down, admittedly with 10 men, and then our manager (a clown) takes off one of our strikers for a sodding defender! This was about 20 minutes after the red card. Grrrrrrrr.

Since when did Chris Hughton become manager of Truro Laugh

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:22 am

Starlight wrote:For the record I think Jose is talking about Arsene's record relative to Arsenals stature as a big club.

Yes he does not specifically say so, but I think that's the correct interpretation. Most teams aren't even competing for trophies, and Jose knows that... he could have worded it better though.

The question is are Arsenal a big club because of Wenger? if the answer is a yes then he is a success.

Would any other manager be able to do a better job than Wenger? if you think wenger is doing the best job then he is a success.

Would Arsenal be in a worse position if wenger left in 05? if the answer is yes then wenger is a success.

by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:22 am

Duty281 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

Pathetic, childish and attention-seeking.

Please act your age.
The mods wonder why I lose my rag on here sometimes, having to see a perfectly good forum ruined by WUM's is not why this site was set up, they would be well served to remember that those who made the initial jump made this site what it is not children like Dior.

Well as far as I can see, the cricket, rugby, boxing and tennis sections are frequently lost to the WUMs.

I'd hope the football section doesn't go the same way.

I'll get my coat

Another Truro humdinger I see today Duty. Entertainers!

You know why I'm p!ssed Freek!

We're 2-0 down, admittedly with 10 men, and then our manager (a clown) takes off one of our strikers for a sodding defender! This was about 20 minutes after the red card. Grrrrrrrr.

What saddens me is I look for your results above Banbury's Laugh

Must be love!

by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:24 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Starlight wrote:For the record I think Jose is talking about Arsene's record relative to Arsenals stature as a big club.

Yes he does not specifically say so, but I think that's the correct interpretation. Most teams aren't even competing for trophies, and Jose knows that... he could have worded it better though.

The question is are Arsenal a big club because of Wenger? if the answer is a yes then he is a success.

Would any other manager be able to do a better job than Wenger? if you think wenger is doing the best job then he is a success.

Would Arsenal be in a worse position if wenger left in 05? if the answer is yes then wenger is a success.

They were a big club when George Graham was steering them to championships.

by Duty281 Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:29 am

But Arsenal haven't really gone forwards since 2005, have they?

Maybe not backwards either?

Let's go with sideways.

by skyeman Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:34 am

Mourinho has apologised before profusely for once calling Wenger a ''voyeur''. will he do so this time? But to the other managers.

It does add an element of enjoyable pantomime to what is ultimately a game, and few are better at that than Mourinho. He is the ultimate wind-up merchant and with his Cantona type rubbish, the mistake so many make is in reacting to his sometimes silly comments.

But this time imo he was again in the wrong and in the wrong thing to say mode. And unintentionally dissed more than Wenger.

Apology again?

by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:38 am

No he won't apologise.

The only reason he said sorry after the voyeur comment was because of the threat of legal action. He's too stubborn to budge. Won't happen.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:44 am

Duty281 wrote:But Arsenal haven't really gone forwards since 2005, have they?

Maybe not backwards either?

Let's go with sideways.

Kept them at the top tier of world football on a shoe string budget.

by Hammersmith harrier Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:47 am

Top tier clubs win things unless we're now going to start calling teams like FC Copenhagen and Rubin Kazan top tier clubs.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:54 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Starlight wrote:For the record I think Jose is talking about Arsene's record relative to Arsenals stature as a big club.

Yes he does not specifically say so, but I think that's the correct interpretation. Most teams aren't even competing for trophies, and Jose knows that... he could have worded it better though.

The question is are Arsenal a big club because of Wenger? if the answer is a yes then he is a success.

Would any other manager be able to do a better job than Wenger? if you think wenger is doing the best job then he is a success.

Would Arsenal be in a worse position if wenger left in 05? if the answer is yes then wenger is a success.

Arsenal were a big club before Wenger, won titles during the 90's in the Graham era.

I believe that managers such as Klopp, Guardiola, Ferguson and more would be doing better in Wenger's position. I certainly don't think their sides would've lost a cup final to a relegated side.

I'm not sure they would be in all honesty. I'd imagine they'd be pretty much around the same, but it'd all depend on who they got in. Someone could've made them the dominant force in English football

by skyeman Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:02 am

Brendan Rodgers says:

"It is getting stupid now, isn't it?" he said. "It is probably more for the media, who will make more of it than it actually is.

I agree with the guy.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:04 am

Olly wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Starlight wrote:For the record I think Jose is talking about Arsene's record relative to Arsenals stature as a big club.

Yes he does not specifically say so, but I think that's the correct interpretation. Most teams aren't even competing for trophies, and Jose knows that... he could have worded it better though.

The question is are Arsenal a big club because of Wenger? if the answer is a yes then he is a success.

Would any other manager be able to do a better job than Wenger? if you think wenger is doing the best job then he is a success.

Would Arsenal be in a worse position if wenger left in 05? if the answer is yes then wenger is a success.

Arsenal were a big club before Wenger, won titles during the 90's in the Graham era.

I believe that managers such as Klopp, Guardiola, Ferguson and more would be doing better in Wenger's position. I certainly don't think their sides would've lost a cup final to a relegated side.

I'm not sure they would be in all honesty. I'd imagine they'd be pretty much around the same, but it'd all depend on who they got in. Someone could've made them the dominant force in English football

Wenger also won titles until the financial constraints of the move to the emirates meant he had a show string budget.

Guardiola has never managed a team spending less than 20 million a year for about 8 years on average. Some seaons we made a profit on transfers hahah

by socal1976 Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:33 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
skyeman wrote:Jeez. If you say that about one manager it applies to all about failure relative to whatever club size.

Lineker was not the only one!
Christ the clowns are out in force tonight, it was very specific to ONE manager not all managers.

Dude do you do anything but insult people. Crybabies and clowns, first sign that you don't have anything worthwhile to say and just are in here trolling. Worry about your own squad that has spent 60 million pounds plus on players in the last two windows and looks like a 7th place team. In fact mostly what you do here on this site is basically take silly pot shots at Wenger and Arsenal fans, while I rarely see you talk about your own club. People are allowed to have a different opinion or allegiance than you without being called names.

by skyeman Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:46 am

GSC wrote:You're all peni

I hope you were going to say penitent. angel

by socal1976 Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:21 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:But Arsenal haven't really gone forwards since 2005, have they?

Maybe not backwards either?

Let's go with sideways.

Kept them at the top tier of world football on a shoe string budget.

Exactly, Champion's league is the preeminent club competition in the globe and with no spending on transfers Wenger has made it to 14 straight group stages in the Champion's league and a final with Flamini playing left back. I could win trophies with transfer budgets Chelsea, City, and Real Madrid have.

by socal1976 Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:34 am

His statements are an attempt to ease the pressure and transfer it to another team,” added the Chilean, who also clashed with Mourinho when they were coaching in La Liga.
“I don’t think there’s much point in attaching too much importance to it,” Pellegrini said.
“A lot of the time it is hard not to give in and respond, but to enter into the cycle of personal responses doesn’t seem right or good.
“If other coaches want to avoid pressure in case they don’t win anything and generate an atmosphere of little responsibility that’s their business.”

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/sport/archives/2014/02/16/2003583631

Pellegrini joins in and supports Wenger's comments. Any idiot can tell that Jose is running a game by claiming that his team are not contenders. He is trying to relieve pressure on himself and his team. And sorry that is obvious, the fact that both Wenger and Pelligrini make the same obvious point doesn't allow Jose to go ballistic and start hurling personal insults. Jose is infamous for ducking responsibility for losing, he did this over and over again at Madrid whenever Barca would roll him. It was always the referees and a conspiracy against Jose. Jose can't handle being second best and he is obviously trying to lower the pressure and expectations.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:49 am

socal1976 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:But Arsenal haven't really gone forwards since 2005, have they?

Maybe not backwards either?

Let's go with sideways.

Kept them at the top tier of world football on a shoe string budget.

Exactly, Champion's league is the preeminent club competition in the globe and with no spending on transfers Wenger has made it to 14 straight group stages in the Champion's league and a final with Flamini playing left back. I could win trophies with transfer budgets Chelsea, City, and Real Madrid have.

Exatly, very easy to be pellegrini and take over a manchester city team and spend 100 million on players and win a few trophies.

In the 17 years Wenger has been manager of Arsenal he has spent just £30 million more than what he has sold as profit. That equates to just £2 million (roughly) being spent every season (when you take away profits from player sales from money spent on new players) under Wenger yet he has still kept us in the top 4 and kept us as a top tier football team. The guy is a genius.

Manchester city have spent about £1 billion on players since 2007 and they are behind Arsenal in the league.......

Anyone who says Wenger is a failure needs to really re-think their views because no manager who spends on average £2 million on transfers a season yet always gets CL qualification is a failure.

by It Must Be Love Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:51 am

He did have a point with Barca though, didn't he SoCal?

And CS, I can't deny he's done well given his funds, but is it possible he's lost his ruthless winning mentality over the last few years and underspent. Piers Morgan seems to think so.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:02 am

Starlight wrote:He did have a point with Barca though, didn't he SoCal?

And CS, I can't deny he's done well given his funds, but is it possible he's lost his ruthless winning mentality over the last few years and underspent. Piers Morgan seems to think so.

Piers Morgan is not the person you really want to be quoting..... Some of his comments are very weird.

I just think that when people like duty and olly say Arsenal should be winning trophies they are entering an argument with their eyes closed. Man city have outspent Arsenal by £970 million, yes that is £970 million over the past 5/6 years. Chelsea have outspent us by hundreds of millions too and so have liverpool and tottenham and manchester United. there is nothing that guarantees we should win trophies or finiosh in the top 4 because we spend such little money, but somehow wenger always gets us into the top 4, aways gets us to qualify from our CL group into the knock out stages.

by Ent Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:08 am

You've plenty of money and have spent plenty.

Ferguson had less money than Chelsea and city by a considerable amount and won 4 league and a cl in a 5 year period.

Poor old mourinho his mind games have failed everyone is talking about his teams lackluster draw with WBA and limp defeat against city. Oh wait, no they aren't - still talking about his comments on wenger etc.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:20 am

Ent wrote:You've plenty of money and have spent plenty.

since wenger took over in 96 Arsenal have only spent £30 milion more than what they have sold.

Manchester city since 2007 have spent £1 billion more than what they have sold.

by socal1976 Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:39 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Ent wrote:You've plenty of money and have spent plenty.

since wenger took over in 96 Arsenal have only spent £30 milion more than what they have sold.

Manchester city since 2007 have spent £1 billion more than what they have sold.

Wait don't hit the United trolls on this thread with actual facts they will revert to name calling like Hammersmith. The facts are clear you can not compare Arsenal's spending with what United, City, and Chelsea have done. United spent 60 million in the last two transfer windows and next year they will be flying to Tashkent, Uzbekistan on a creaky aeroflot on Thursday nights; that alone should prove what an incredible job Wenger has done at Arsenal. Arsene hasn't spent that much money in the last 8 years. And the idea that he doesn't want to win is pretty freaking ridiculous, he didn't chose not to spend money for no reason. There are two reasons he didn't spend money 1. Arsenal didn't have the money or 2. He didn't think the player was worth it.

by CFCNick Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:19 am

Starlight wrote:Interesting post from an Arsenal fan pag on fb that was linked to me:

Is Arsene Wenger really a Failure? Part I

~Beginning

1) Till the early 90's, Everton (9 League titles) and Arsenal(10) were clubs with equal status in English Football below Liverpool(18) and above a rapidly rising UTD (7). Arsenal FC was the 16th richest club in Europe and the Board decided that the club needs a new big stadium to compete with the mega clubs. But for that they needs a new manager a pioneer was needed to push Arsenal into the modern era. And the chosen one was a little known French named Arsene Wenger. Since winning the title in the very 2nd year as a manager to the 'Invincible season truly marked a epic era of Arsene's class. In the first 8 years, Arsene won 3 PL trophies, 4 FA cups & 4 community shields challenging the mighty SAF...

~So what went wrong?

2006 : 420 million pounds Emirates stadium was inaugurated and many at the club knew that Arsenal has entered a transition and could go years without trophies and Arsene knew UCL qualification would be the sole Lifeline of this club. But the arrival of Roman and then the Shiekhs made the league more tougher. Look at Lyon and Marseille now, with the arrival of PSG and Monaco. Look how Lfc struggled when they lost UCL status. Roman Abrahomovich ended the long 8 year battle between Arsene Wenger and Sir Alex Fergusson which lasted from 1996 to 2004, during which SAF won 5 PL titles and AW won 3...

~But even Swansea and Wigan won the FA cup? DO we lack ambition?

We reached the UCL final in Paris in 2006. Reached League cup final in 2007 & 2011. We nearly won the league in 2007/08 but injuries derailed our season. Would those two 10 minute spells have made us an ambitious club??? Teams like Swansea and wigan, with their limited resources are overachieved last season, Newcastle punched above their weight two seasons ago and Middlesborough did in 2005 and 06.The fact is there are always going to be clubs that over perform or underperform in any given year.The True Test is the consistency in which any club can do it and Arsenal has been consistent as ever in the last 16 years(Most consistent in its whole history). So no one can question our Ambition. Many might say ok we could have won the Carling/Capitol cup or the FA cup at least? But can anyone say that we didn't even try to win?? We lost two Carling cup finals and mostly we played our youth team bcse of our tight budget. But the question arises if Arsenal wins the Capitol cup then we are ambitious? Capitol Cup in the recent years had finalists like Portsmouth,Birmingham and now Swansea and Bradford. Liverpool won it last time and everyone agrees that Cup games are unpredictable.So are Liverpool more ambitious than Arsenal as they won a trophy? Ask any Liverpool fan Whether they want a FA/Capitol cup(if they were in the tournament) or a top 4 finish, and I would definitely say that 90% would want a top 4 finish.

Guy clearly doesn't know that Lyon were the PSG of 10 years ago.

by CFCNick Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:24 am

skyeman wrote:
Olly wrote:Right so in a comment specifically directed at Wenger (pretty disgracefully I must say), Mourinho is insulting every manager who hasn't won a trophy.

I've seen some rubbish on these boards, but that, that just might top it all

So all the former pros and managers are talking rubbish then in saying it was disrespectful to managers?

You do understand the majority of former players and managers that go into media are thick as Poopie?

by Ent Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:42 am

I don't doubt that arsenal have sold players, still have plenty of money to spend on transfers and wages.

City won their first trophy in 2010, what happened in the other 5 years? City have spent more than everyone but others are doing well in challenging and winning trophies.

How did arsenals 'invincible' squad fall apart?

by socal1976 Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:58 am

CFCNick wrote:
skyeman wrote:
Olly wrote:Right so in a comment specifically directed at Wenger (pretty disgracefully I must say), Mourinho is insulting every manager who hasn't won a trophy.

I've seen some rubbish on these boards, but that, that just might top it all

So all the former pros and managers are talking rubbish then in saying it was disrespectful to managers?

You do understand the majority of former players and managers that go into media are thick as Poopie?

That is an huge generalization, many of them don't come off as particularly eloquent but I think Neville is frankly excellent.

by Hammersmith harrier Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:39 am

I call you and Dior clowns, cretins etc. because you have yet to indicate to me or anybody else for that matter that you have a single shred of intelligence, certainly neither of you have a clue about football.

If you're going to blabber on about facts at least get them right. Arsenal since the arrival of Wenger have a net spend of £70mil however what that doesn't tell you is that until the money men came in you had the biggest wage bill in the premier league. Transfers are two fold they are fees and wage based not just fee based. Nor does it tell you anything about the squad he had at his disposal initially, players like Bergkamp, Adams, Dixon, Winterburn and Keown.

For a club to go from winning the premier league title and then win the fa cup the next year followed by 8 years of winning nothing is quite frankly failure. The remit of Arsenal isn't champions league qualification it is to win trophies.

by CFCNick Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:01 am

Champions League qualification is the goal of clubs like Everton, Spurs, Liverpool, and also not that long ago Newcastle and Villa.

If you think beating out those teams for 4th is success for the 3rd most trophy laden club in this country then you need a reality check.

by Duty281 Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:08 am

Arsenal don't have a shoe-string budget. Laugh

Just because Wenger neglects to spend, don't confuse that with a lack of funds. 60,000 seats and the most expensive tickets (I think) in England see to that.

It's perfectly reasonable to say that Arsenal have failed in the last few years. Invincible 10 years ago, only one trophy in between. Failure. A gentle downward curve.

Unless of course you're happy to see your team finish as second or third loser every season, finishing 3rd and 4th, and never really moving beyond that.

by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:11 am

Football is like modern society and it is surprising everyone is so accepting of it. Vast wealth inequality, trophy oriented and not people oriented, disrespect and short-termism, authoritarians with their mini-empires ...

by CFCNick Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:20 am

Don't you Arsenal fans forget that whilst clubs like Chelsea, United, City and Liverpool charge about £30 for FA Cup games the fans heading to the Emirates later paid £90 for their seat. That's just under £5.5m if they sell out. Never mind the money they'll make on programmes and food.

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