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Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
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Scotland vs France
RBS 6 Nations
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
Saturday 8th March, 2014
KO 1700
Referee: Chris Pollock
Assistant Referees: George Clancy, JP Doyle
A. Squads
Scotland Squad REVISED:
Forwards: Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), Kelly Brown (Saracens), Geoff Cross, David Denton, Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford (all Edinburgh Rugby), Chris Fusaro (Glasgow Warriors), Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Grant, Jonny Gray (both Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Castres), Jim Hamilton (Montpellier), Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Moray Low, Pat MacArthur (both Glasgow Warriors), Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors), Alasdair Strokosch (Perpignan), Tim Swinson and Ryan Wilson (both Glasgow Warriors).
Backs: Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors), Jack Cuthbert, Nick De Luca (both Edinburgh Rugby), Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), Max Evans (Castres), Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby), Stuart Hogg, Ruaridh Jackson (both Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby), Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens) and Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors).
NO HARLEY, RENNIE or K LOW
French Squad:
Vincent Debaty, Thomas Domingo, Yannick Forestier, Brice Mach, Dimitri Szarzewski, Nicolas Mas, Rabah Slimani, Alexandre Flanquart, Yoann Maestri, Pascal Pape, Sebastien Vaahamahina, Virgile Bruni, Alexandre Lapandry, Wenceslas Lauret, Bernard le Roux, Damien Chouly, Antonie Claassen, Jean-Marc Doussain, Maxime Machenaud, Morgan Parra, Jules Plisson, Remi Tales, Mathieu Bastareaud, Gael Fickou, Remi Lamerat, Maxime Mermoz, Yoann Huget, Maxime Medard, Hugo Bonneval, Brice Dulin
B. Previous matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd7YAfmRSls 2013 L
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_7_quuZcsY 2012 L
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpi55BQmRM 2011 L
C. Teams
France Team:
France team: B Dulin (Castres); Y Huget (Toulouse), M Bastareaud (Toulon), M Mermoz (Toulon), M Medard (Toulouse); J Plisson (Stade Francais), M Machenaud (Racing Metro); T Domingo (Clermont Auvergne), B Mach (Castres), N Mas (Montpellier), Y Maestri (Toulouse), P Pape (Stade Francais, capt), S Vahaamahina (Perpignan), A Lapandry (Clermont Auvergne), D Chouly (Clermont Auvergne).
Replacements: G Guirado (Perpignan), V Debaty (Clermont Auvergne), R Slimani (Stade Francais), A Flanquart (Stade Francais), A Claassen (Castres), J-M Doussain (Toulouse), R Tales (Castres), G Fickou (Toulouse).
Scotland Team:
Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh), Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh); Ryan Grant (Glasgow Warriors), Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Geoff Cross (Edinburgh), Richie Gray (Castres), Jim Hamilton (Montpellier), Johnny Beattie (Montpellier), Kelly Brown (Saracens, capt), David Denton (Edinburgh).
Replacements: Ross Ford (Edinburgh), INJ OUTAlasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh) IN Moray Low, Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors), Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors), Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens), Max Evans (Castres).
D. Watch out for...
Richie Gray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpiYWB-5Sk
Yoann Huget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYWJyeLoUAs
PS Thanks to George Carlin for previous match threads. I've tried where possible to continue your style and structure.
Scotland vs France
RBS 6 Nations
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
Saturday 8th March, 2014
KO 1700
Referee: Chris Pollock
Assistant Referees: George Clancy, JP Doyle
A. Squads
Scotland Squad REVISED:
Forwards: Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), Kelly Brown (Saracens), Geoff Cross, David Denton, Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford (all Edinburgh Rugby), Chris Fusaro (Glasgow Warriors), Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Grant, Jonny Gray (both Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Castres), Jim Hamilton (Montpellier), Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Moray Low, Pat MacArthur (both Glasgow Warriors), Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors), Alasdair Strokosch (Perpignan), Tim Swinson and Ryan Wilson (both Glasgow Warriors).
Backs: Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors), Jack Cuthbert, Nick De Luca (both Edinburgh Rugby), Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), Max Evans (Castres), Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby), Stuart Hogg, Ruaridh Jackson (both Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby), Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens) and Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors).
NO HARLEY, RENNIE or K LOW
French Squad:
Vincent Debaty, Thomas Domingo, Yannick Forestier, Brice Mach, Dimitri Szarzewski, Nicolas Mas, Rabah Slimani, Alexandre Flanquart, Yoann Maestri, Pascal Pape, Sebastien Vaahamahina, Virgile Bruni, Alexandre Lapandry, Wenceslas Lauret, Bernard le Roux, Damien Chouly, Antonie Claassen, Jean-Marc Doussain, Maxime Machenaud, Morgan Parra, Jules Plisson, Remi Tales, Mathieu Bastareaud, Gael Fickou, Remi Lamerat, Maxime Mermoz, Yoann Huget, Maxime Medard, Hugo Bonneval, Brice Dulin
B. Previous matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd7YAfmRSls 2013 L
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_7_quuZcsY 2012 L
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpi55BQmRM 2011 L
C. Teams
France Team:
France team: B Dulin (Castres); Y Huget (Toulouse), M Bastareaud (Toulon), M Mermoz (Toulon), M Medard (Toulouse); J Plisson (Stade Francais), M Machenaud (Racing Metro); T Domingo (Clermont Auvergne), B Mach (Castres), N Mas (Montpellier), Y Maestri (Toulouse), P Pape (Stade Francais, capt), S Vahaamahina (Perpignan), A Lapandry (Clermont Auvergne), D Chouly (Clermont Auvergne).
Replacements: G Guirado (Perpignan), V Debaty (Clermont Auvergne), R Slimani (Stade Francais), A Flanquart (Stade Francais), A Claassen (Castres), J-M Doussain (Toulouse), R Tales (Castres), G Fickou (Toulouse).
Scotland Team:
Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh), Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh); Ryan Grant (Glasgow Warriors), Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Geoff Cross (Edinburgh), Richie Gray (Castres), Jim Hamilton (Montpellier), Johnny Beattie (Montpellier), Kelly Brown (Saracens, capt), David Denton (Edinburgh).
Replacements: Ross Ford (Edinburgh), INJ OUT
D. Watch out for...
Richie Gray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpiYWB-5Sk
Yoann Huget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYWJyeLoUAs
PS Thanks to George Carlin for previous match threads. I've tried where possible to continue your style and structure.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Very interesting piece in the EEN, which I think relates as much to the international as to the club section of these boards:
Edinburgh coach agrees SRU request to play Cross and Ford
by BILL LOTHIAN
Coach Alan Solomons has mounted a spirited justification of Edinburgh’s heavy overseas recruitment while revealing that Scottish Rugby owners had stepped in to “request” a start for Scotland front row reserves Geoff Cross and Ross Ford against Ospreys at Meggetland tonight (7.35pm) in the RaboDirect PRO12.
If Cross completes a full shift, it will be more than his aggregate minutes accumulated this season either in the European Cup (76) or the League (66), while his Scotland tally is 77 minutes.
However, Solomons sees putting an emphasis on overseas talent shoring up the team as tantamount to mandatory.
“It is not a question of lack of opportunities (for Scottish players),” said South African Solomons, adding: “One’s got to understand the strategies we have.
“The only way you can build a sustainable club is through an academy and since December a sub committee comprising myself, Steve Scott (assistant coach) and Bryan Easson (development manager) have met on a regular basis.
“We have already identified players we would like to see in our academy and the next step will be recruitment working within the Scottish protocol.
“Plans are in place for the integration of these players into our squad. That is the future.
“(But) we cannot have these players coming into a team that is struggling.
“So, we need to strengthen the team to give effect to that strategy. That is what we are busy doing.
“Unfortunately, at the moment, clubs in Scotland and particularly our region, are struggling.
“In the British and Irish Cup, they won only 20 per cent of games, conceded 2000 points and scored 1000.
“We have scoured the club scene, picking up Damien Hoyland, although he is in age-grade rugby, and had one or two other lads practise with us.
“But we have not had anyone who can come into the professional game at the moment, as we see it.
“Certainly, I would think that if there are players who are putting their hands up they would be in the professional game already.
“Players at under-20 have just been beaten by Italy, who are not one of the leading nations.
“However, apparently there is a very good under-18 team which is very, very positive. We have already identified players there we would like to bring in.
“The process is in hand to bring through young players.
“All countries go through cycles.
“Ireland has had a golden age with O’Driscoll and O’Connell; similarly Scotland (once) had the Hastings’ coming through along with John Jeffrey. You have got to look at it like that.
“I’m not saying there aren’t good players with the under-20s – there’s Hoyland and also Chris Dean, to name just two.
“But, a simple example: it would be much better for Chris Dean to come in when Matt Scott is away with Scotland and play alongside Andries Strauss rather than another inexperienced player.
“Chris Dean has been targeted along with Hoyland. Ewan McQuillan and George Turner have been on the bench, so opportunities are there.”
Referring to two of his previous coaching assignments, Solomons said: “The process is tried and tested as used at Ulster and the (Southern) Kings.”
Solomons was three seasons at Ulster and during five league meetings with Edinburgh the maximum number of overseas players he used in a single match was six.
In each of the past two matches, Edinburgh have started seven non-Scots and the total has peaked at eight this season.
However, it is argued by Solomons that the need is acute.
“Edinburgh is a club that has been struggling for a number of years. I was brought in to rebuild the club,” he says.
Eyebrows might be raised at the choice of adjective as 12 of this “struggling” squad were in the starting line-up which defeated Toulouse on the way to a Euro semi-final less than two years ago.
Among them is Ross Ford, released back from Scotland, of whom Solomons says: “We have got to take into consideration the national consideration.
“There was a request and we are happy to accommodate that.”
Asked about Cross’ scant opportunities, Solomons said: “We have to look at our requirements at Edinburgh and what is going to suit our game.
“From a national perspective there are only so many experienced and qualified tight head props who can play for Scotland.
“Geoff is important to the national team, so he gets an opportunity to start in facilitating the national team.”
Currently, the Edinburgh web-site continues to refer to “progress” when, in fact, three successive league fixtures have been lost during which the team have dropped two places.
Again, Solomons is defiant and convinced things are better than when Ospreys inflicted the biggest Edinburgh defeat of the season – 44-10, at Swansea.
“We are further down the track that we were in that first game. This team is now going into a third (successive) match after a month’s break.
“The problem we have had is that we have been on the road.”
Incredibly, this is Edinburgh’s first home match in seven weeks – answers on a postcard as to how a fan-base can be built under those conditions – and as for recent reverses, Solomons says: “In Connacht we should have won but made too many errors.
“That said, we had a try disallowed that to me was clearly a try.
“The Scarlets game we could and should have won but for errors.
“We are looking to put it right in terms of a performance that will give us every opportunity to get a (winning) result.”
If all else fails, there is always the under-18 crop to look forward to. Eventually.
Solomons has a special faith, though, in Kiwi Mike Coman, who continues to captain the team in only his third start.
“Mike has an incredible work rate and I can see he has very strong leadership qualities,” says Solomons.
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He sounds like he knows what he's doing. Almost like he's actually thought about some of this stuff.
Edinburgh are a completely different side already to the shambles he inherited. Hopefully the improvements will continue apace.
Edinburgh are a completely different side already to the shambles he inherited. Hopefully the improvements will continue apace.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Szarzewski is now also injured. With Kayser already out, it means either Guirado or Mach will start as hooker. None really class forwards and our line out might suffer big time. With our first choices centre and backrow out as well, it doesnt smell good for France and I would be quite happy with a draw as things stand.
Meanwhile bad boy Picamoles proven PSA how wrong he was by having a hell of a game with Toulouse this weekend.
Meanwhile bad boy Picamoles proven PSA how wrong he was by having a hell of a game with Toulouse this weekend.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
No doubt he'll be recalled to face Ireland then...
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The more setbacks France have leading up to this game the more I am sure we will lose.
Vern Cotter was saying Domingo came back from the Wales game raging about their scrum performance - I can see them tearing our front row a new one in retaliation.
Vern Cotter was saying Domingo came back from the Wales game raging about their scrum performance - I can see them tearing our front row a new one in retaliation.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Well hopefully Cotter mindful of his impending new job will have said, "Hey Thomas, no need to worry old chap. I thought it was fine, you can't help the referee can you? Now take old Verns advice and take it easy in training"...
Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
The Scottish are commanded now to leave the French scrum half alone. Do NOT touch him, injure him, impede him or stop him scoring his two tries. Allow him to have a personal stormer.....
No...I do not have to give reasons why! Just follow orders.
No...I do not have to give reasons why! Just follow orders.
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Seriously, if we cannot beat this French team, we cannot argue we haven't received every chance.
Wonder if Swinson will make the bench for the Scotland match - he was good against Leinster.
Wonder if Swinson will make the bench for the Scotland match - he was good against Leinster.
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George Carlin wrote:Seriously, if we cannot beat this French team, we cannot argue we haven't received every chance.
Wonder if Swinson will make the bench for the Scotland match - he was good against Leinster.
That'll be a no then.
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Tattie Scones RRN wrote:George Carlin wrote:Seriously, if we cannot beat this French team, we cannot argue we haven't received every chance.
Wonder if Swinson will make the bench for the Scotland match - he was good against Leinster.
That'll be a no then.
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George Carlin wrote:Seriously, if we cannot beat this French team, we cannot argue we haven't received every chance.
Wonder if Swinson will make the bench for the Scotland match - he was good against Leinster.
Barclay had another great game for the Scarlets, he can't even make the squad....
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George Carlin wrote:Seriously, if we cannot beat this French team, we cannot argue we haven't received every chance.
Wonder if Swinson will make the bench for the Scotland match - he was good against Leinster.
I would not like to choose between Gray J or Swinson for the bench spot against France, they both played pretty well and lasted the whole game against Leinster. I have this feeling he might go for Johnny though, more line out options as he would allow Big Jim to be subbed and still have a lineout caller (this has really got to be sorted out by next year!). In truth though I would not be complaining about either getting the call.
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The Rev has returned to the training squad for the France game. Anyone know what his forms like?
Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Here's the training squad. Johnson has also called Edinburgh's Sean Kennedy and Harry Leonard into the squad.
Forwards: Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), Kelly Brown (Saracens), Geoff Cross, David Denton, Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford (all Edinburgh Rugby), Chris Fusaro (Glasgow Warriors), Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Grant, Jonny Gray (both Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Castres), Jim Hamilton (Montpellier), Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Moray Low, Pat MacArthur (both Glasgow Warriors), Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors), Alasdair Strokosch (Perpignan), Tim Swinson and Ryan Wilson (both Glasgow Warriors).
Backs: Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors), Jack Cuthbert, Nick De Luca (both Edinburgh Rugby), Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), Max Evans (Castres), Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby), Stuart Hogg, Ruaridh Jackson (both Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby), Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens) and Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors).
Forwards: Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), Kelly Brown (Saracens), Geoff Cross, David Denton, Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford (all Edinburgh Rugby), Chris Fusaro (Glasgow Warriors), Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Grant, Jonny Gray (both Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Castres), Jim Hamilton (Montpellier), Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Moray Low, Pat MacArthur (both Glasgow Warriors), Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors), Alasdair Strokosch (Perpignan), Tim Swinson and Ryan Wilson (both Glasgow Warriors).
Backs: Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors), Jack Cuthbert, Nick De Luca (both Edinburgh Rugby), Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), Max Evans (Castres), Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby), Stuart Hogg, Ruaridh Jackson (both Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby), Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens) and Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors).
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That will be Moray Low oot then !
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1. Harry Leonard in and 2. not Finn Russell?
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
So the French are in utter disarray and new their blond bouffanted hooker is hors de combat. You just know they're going to put 50 points on us.
We're doomed.
We're doomed.
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Congrats to both Kennedy and Leonard.
I'm sure Finn Russell's time will come. Getting a few more games under his belt at 10 would help him along. He's still only started one or two professional matches at 10 has he not?
I'm sure Finn Russell's time will come. Getting a few more games under his belt at 10 would help him along. He's still only started one or two professional matches at 10 has he not?
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These guys are only there to help make up the training numbers and nothing should be read into it. Good experience for them though and will give them something to aim for.
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Anyone else thinking solomons should get left to fix Edinburgh for a couple if seasons then become our director of rugby? He makes 100x more sense than Johnson and has 500x more understanding of what needs to happen and has 1000x better taste in hair style.
Until solomons can step up, leave the DoR spot empty and send Johnson beck to either Australia or Wales.
Until solomons can step up, leave the DoR spot empty and send Johnson beck to either Australia or Wales.
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Not sure I would wait that long - what about giving him a couple of games in charge of the national team, then making him director in the summer once Cotter arrives........
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Eh, hands off Solomons!
Anyway, I suspect he's much better suited for a hands on coaching role than a high level DoR type thing.
Plus he'll be 80 odd in a few years time...
Anyway, I suspect he's much better suited for a hands on coaching role than a high level DoR type thing.
Plus he'll be 80 odd in a few years time...
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BigGee wrote:These guys are only there to help make up the training numbers and nothing should be read into it. Good experience for them though and will give them something to aim for.
Precisley.
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So hopefully see a few of you tomorrow to discuss our glory and step to world cup winners
https://www.606v2.com/t51898-rugby-drinks-5th-march
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I know I always ask this, but is the team announced today or tomorrow?
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nickj wrote:I know I always ask this, but is the team announced today or tomorrow?
What's the usual answer?
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Team announced later today
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Today or tomorrow, depending on when I ask the question...
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Rumour has it Kelly Brown will be back in the side to face France.
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I wonder whether it'll be for Fusaro or Wilson? It'll be 'egg on the face time' for Johnno if its for Wilson, but that would be absolutely the right call in my opinion.
Denton to stay on the bench and cover 6/8, with Brown covering Fusaro. Evans in for Seymour and Euge in for Low. I'd start Cross but I'd leave it at that.
Denton to stay on the bench and cover 6/8, with Brown covering Fusaro. Evans in for Seymour and Euge in for Low. I'd start Cross but I'd leave it at that.
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here's what Bill Lothian reckons in the Evening News:
Wouldn't be unhappy with that back row, think Denton can do a better job at 6 than Wilson.
Bill Lothian wrote:Kelly Brown is poised to gain his 62nd Scotland cap against France at Murrayfield on Saturday – a month after he was relieved of the captaincy and dropped from the match-day squad.
In a remarkable about-turn by interim coach Scott Johnson, not only is Brown expected to be restored after missing matches against England and Italy, but he also regains the captaincy.
The age-old adage about not fixing what isn’t broke appears to have by-passed Johnson as the squad that produced a never-say-die win over Italy is further broken up.
Brown will line-up at open side flanker for Chris Fusaro who disappears out the squad after two caps while, in a further back row change, Dave Denton returns for Ryan Wilson,
It is the same back-row personnel that faced Australia in the Autumn.
In the front row, Geoff Cross carries on where he left off in Rome at tight head prop, and with Euan Murray fit again he sits on the bench to the exclusion of Moray Low who was substituted after 36 minutes against Italy.
The back division will be unchanged for the third match running having re-discovered the art of scoring tries in Italy.
Wouldn't be unhappy with that back row, think Denton can do a better job at 6 than Wilson.
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Would be pretty happy with that backrow, but would be even happier with KB at 6.
Wonder what reason SJ is going to give for bringing him back...
Wonder what reason SJ is going to give for bringing him back...
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6. Denton
7. Brown
8. Beattie
Not in any way balanced, with only one player in three actually in his preferred position. If true I think Fusaro has been hard done by. He had worked hard for and earned that shot at the jersey, and I don't think two games is enough to show what you can do at this level.
I can understand Low being dropped for Cross, but I'm not sure what the Rev Murray has to do with the future. I thought, based on SJ's excuses, that this side was all about building for the future?
Still, pleased that Weir, Scott and Dunbar remains immune from SJ's tinkering. That is a group we need to stick with, plus Hogg kept at 15.
7. Brown
8. Beattie
Not in any way balanced, with only one player in three actually in his preferred position. If true I think Fusaro has been hard done by. He had worked hard for and earned that shot at the jersey, and I don't think two games is enough to show what you can do at this level.
I can understand Low being dropped for Cross, but I'm not sure what the Rev Murray has to do with the future. I thought, based on SJ's excuses, that this side was all about building for the future?
Still, pleased that Weir, Scott and Dunbar remains immune from SJ's tinkering. That is a group we need to stick with, plus Hogg kept at 15.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
I think we would all be happier with a more balanced back row, but given SJ's history, this is actually pretty good for him/the best we can hope for.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
I think we just have to accept that whoever is in the seven shirt they are just keeping it warm for Rennie, who is getting back up to speed now and will surely be back on the summer tour. It is a bit tough on Fusaro, who did not play badly, whilst not setting the heather alight either. I the reality is that the team is not settled yet and does need a bit of tinkering still. Beattie and Denton both do need to play though, so one of them has to be on the blind side.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Wouldn't be surprised if he throws a real curve ball and shifts Beattie to 6 to incorporate Denton back at 8!
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Laidlaw FFS!!
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
As far as SJ's selections have gone recently, picking Laidlaw over Cusiter isn't that big a deal really...
Grant
Lawson
Cross
Hamilton
Gray
Beattie
Brown
Denton
Laidlaw
Weir
Shlong
Scott
Dunbar
Seymour
Hogg
Bench - Dickinson, Ford, Murray, Swinson, Wilson, Cusiter, Taylor, Evans
Grant
Lawson
Cross
Hamilton
Gray
Beattie
Brown
Denton
Laidlaw
Weir
Shlong
Scott
Dunbar
Seymour
Hogg
Bench - Dickinson, Ford, Murray, Swinson, Wilson, Cusiter, Taylor, Evans
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
To be fair my only real gripe with this side and the bench is the back row, and lack of stand-off cover. Given SJ's track record, this is not his worst.
Given the droppings, injuries and suspensions that France have to contend with, and given home advantage, we have a chance here.
Given the droppings, injuries and suspensions that France have to contend with, and given home advantage, we have a chance here.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Why move Beattie to 6 when he played well at 8 last game, or why play your best 8 at 6?
Why drop Fusaro who played well last game?
Why play Brown-6 out of position?, or why play your best 6 at 7
Why retain Laidlaw whose service is noticeably inferior to Cusiter's?
Why keep a player "struggling with tonsilitis" on the bench (Wilson)?
Why retain Hamilton?
Why keep Ford on the bench if he can't be trusted to be brought on again?
#lackingclue
Why drop Fusaro who played well last game?
Why play Brown-6 out of position?, or why play your best 6 at 7
Why retain Laidlaw whose service is noticeably inferior to Cusiter's?
Why keep a player "struggling with tonsilitis" on the bench (Wilson)?
Why retain Hamilton?
Why keep Ford on the bench if he can't be trusted to be brought on again?
#lackingclue
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Beattie was great at 8 against Italy. Why move him to 6???
Great to see Kelly back
But wtf is Johnson playing at???
I'm not a Glasgow man but the killer b's should be our back row with one direction Denton covering from the bench
Oh well. Fingers crossed for sat
Great to see Kelly back
But wtf is Johnson playing at???
I'm not a Glasgow man but the killer b's should be our back row with one direction Denton covering from the bench
Oh well. Fingers crossed for sat
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
As has been said it is far from perfect, but is probably the best selection he has made all 6N!
That is progress I guess...
That is progress I guess...
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Team is as follows (for anyone who doesn't understand WTF everyone is talking about):
15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) 18 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
14 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) 7 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
13 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) 6 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
12 Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby) 19 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
11 Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors) 85 caps, 12 tries, 60 points
10 Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors) 11 caps, 1 try, 3 conversions, 1 drop-goal, 14 points
9 Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby) vice-cpt 27 caps, 3 tries, 23 conversions, 58 penalties, 235 points
1 Ryan Grant (Glasgow Warriors) 16 caps
2 Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons) 41 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
3 Geoff Cross (Edinburgh Rugby) 26 caps, 1 try, 5 points
4 Richie Gray (Castres) 35 caps, 1 try, 5 points
5 Jim Hamilton (Montpellier) 53 caps, 1 try, 5 points
6 Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier) 29 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
7 Kelly Brown (Saracens) captain 61 caps, 4 tries, 20 points
8 David Denton (Edinburgh Rugby) 20 caps
Substitutes
16 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) 73 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
17 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby) 33 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
18 Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors) 58 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
19 Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) 5 caps
20 Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) 7 caps
21 Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors) 67 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
22 Duncan Taylor (Saracens) 9 caps
23 Max Evans (Castres) 40 caps, 3 tries, 15 points.
15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) 18 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
14 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) 7 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
13 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) 6 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
12 Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby) 19 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
11 Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors) 85 caps, 12 tries, 60 points
10 Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors) 11 caps, 1 try, 3 conversions, 1 drop-goal, 14 points
9 Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby) vice-cpt 27 caps, 3 tries, 23 conversions, 58 penalties, 235 points
1 Ryan Grant (Glasgow Warriors) 16 caps
2 Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons) 41 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
3 Geoff Cross (Edinburgh Rugby) 26 caps, 1 try, 5 points
4 Richie Gray (Castres) 35 caps, 1 try, 5 points
5 Jim Hamilton (Montpellier) 53 caps, 1 try, 5 points
6 Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier) 29 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
7 Kelly Brown (Saracens) captain 61 caps, 4 tries, 20 points
8 David Denton (Edinburgh Rugby) 20 caps
Substitutes
16 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) 73 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
17 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby) 33 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
18 Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors) 58 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
19 Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) 5 caps
20 Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) 7 caps
21 Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors) 67 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
22 Duncan Taylor (Saracens) 9 caps
23 Max Evans (Castres) 40 caps, 3 tries, 15 points.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
can that mungo not just have a backrow with a specialist in every position and the best guy in every position.
He really doesn't have a scooby.
#lackingclue
He really doesn't have a scooby.
#lackingclue
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Absolutely baffled by the about turn on Kelly Brown, anyone with a Johnson-esque hairdo care to explain what they think has happened there? Were the reports of the falling out just overblown by the media as usual, or have they spent some time in a hottub together and settled their differences?
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
I agree. The front row is correct, the lock pairing row is reasonable (it will be Swinson and Gray with 25 minutes to go, which I prefer) and two thirds of the back row (Brown at 7 and Denton at 8) are arguably the best of the current bunch available. You need at least one batsh!t forwards selection in there or it just wouldn't be Scott Johnson, would it? Fozzy has gone some way to justifying his selection in recent games whilst still looking underpowered, so I have no problem with Kelly replacing him. Let's see how we go.funnyExiledScot wrote:To be fair my only real gripe with this side and the bench is the back row, and lack of stand-off cover. Given SJ's track record, this is not his worst.
Given the droppings, injuries and suspensions that France have to contend with, and given home advantage, we have a chance here.
Low has received his jotters for his manshaming in the last game which is fair enough. I have no problem with Wilson being on the bench in particularly although I hate having three 8s in the matchday 23. Murray could make an impact if Domingo has run himself into the ground after an hour. Not otherwise though, sadly. I'm just glad Murray isn't starting - Cross has to be a better option at the moment.
As someone said about, for SJ it's a positively sane selection.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
Maybe they made up?
SJ "sorry for laughing at your eyebrow"
KB "sorry for slagging your mullet"
SJ "sorry for laughing at your eyebrow"
KB "sorry for slagging your mullet"
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
SJ wrote:"I think Saturday is a game that will really suit Kelly. Unlike other sides in the competition, France play above the ground a bit and there will be a lot of mauling.
“I think the pitch suits Kelly too and I’ve picked a side that can win the game and that’s most important.
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
tiger you realise by answering my question you just owned up to having a Johnson-esque hairdo?
Oh it's been a slow day....
Oh it's been a slow day....
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Re: Scotland (17) v France (19), 8 March
What worries me is brown being replaced after the hour and we're back to having three 8's on at the same time.
Furaso had a quiet game against Italy but dropped entirely is a bit harsh.
Furaso had a quiet game against Italy but dropped entirely is a bit harsh.
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