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cian Healy citing?
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Can't believe cian Healy wasn't redcarded for the flying butt! Presumably he will receive a hefty citing ban?
Can't believe cian Healy wasn't redcarded for the flying butt! Presumably he will receive a hefty citing ban?
wrfc1980- Posts : 440
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Merci.MrsP wrote:It happens at 60.51 on the match clock and 1:46:21 on the iplayer clock.
Straight head on head at a ruck. No arms.
He was very lucky to stay on the field.
I will be surprised if he is not cited.
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I imagine that Healy will be cited and banned, it was an absolute brain fart and if France had not scored the try then I am certain that Walsh would have shown the yellow card.
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But France only scored from the penalty awarded from that incident. There was already a pen advantage anyway.
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I thought that Walsh was already playing advantage when it happened MrsP and then awarded another advantage from which France scored?
No try and he would have gone back and awarded a yellow. I could be wrong though as I was a little excited yesterday and have not re-watched the game yet.
No try and he would have gone back and awarded a yellow. I could be wrong though as I was a little excited yesterday and have not re-watched the game yet.
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Nachos Jones wrote:I thought that Walsh was already playing advantage when it happened MrsP and then awarded another advantage from which France scored?
No try and he would have gone back and awarded a yellow. I could be wrong though as I was a little excited yesterday and have not re-watched the game yet.
Walsh plays advantage, again, Tales kicks to corner too long. Walsh comes back for penalty, France kick the penalty to touch, then score try from those set of phases.
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No, he staopped play and awarded a pen from which France scored the try. I only remember so well because I have just watched it.
Edit: What LT said.
Edit: What LT said.
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Ok, then I stand corrected. I was too nervous yesterday to pay too much attention.
Still a nasty little thing to do.
Still a nasty little thing to do.
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I don't think Walsh saw the collision. When I first saw it I thought he had just flopped over the ball from offside, definitely penalty and arguably yellow as they were already on advantage and it was near the try line.
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The Saint wrote:No, no reason at all apart from only coming online when Wales lose a game (or Healy gives away a penalty) to post sub-standard WUMs. And my posts are aimed at the one with the agenda.
What exactly is a good WUM, Saint?
You appear to be the the self-styled expert on the toxonomy of wummery.
[ed.] p.s. How does this post rate?
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Portnoy's Complaint wrote:The Saint wrote:No, no reason at all apart from only coming online when Wales lose a game (or Healy gives away a penalty) to post sub-standard WUMs. And my posts are aimed at the one with the agenda.
What exactly is a good WUM, Saint?
You appear to be the the self-styled expert on the toxonomy of wummery.
[ed.] p.s. How does this post rate?
i think his idea of a good wum is just posting the scoreline from last years eng/wal 6 nations game.
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That really must a sub-standard wum one anyone's scale, nathan.
You really must try a lot harder than that.
I reckon that St. hasn't replied because he's still looking up 'taxonomy'.
The study of classifications, Saint.
You really must try a lot harder than that.
I reckon that St. hasn't replied because he's still looking up 'taxonomy'.
The study of classifications, Saint.
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Duty281 wrote:He's a common thug.
I think we have a couple of sore losers in this apparently "non anti-Irish trend". It was accidental IMO, and I don't think your sly remarks at hitting out at Healy will change the outcome of the championship. It doesn't gave a good impression when a writer on 606v2 is labeling players "thugs". If you want to play that game, Farrell in the Ireland/England game should have been yellow carded for hes incredibly late shoulder charge on Conner Murray which was passed off with a blind eye.There were a couple of instances in which there were late tackles one of note to deliberately I felt to injure Ireland players, including a late tackle on sexton. Ireland won because they were the best team in the championship, not because apparent "Irish thug" was not yellow carded. So, when your drinking your pints of the "Black stuff" on tomorrow on Patrick's Day they will be all the sweeter this side of the Irish sea. No grudges.
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RugbyFan182 wrote:Duty281 wrote:He's a common thug.
I think we have a couple of sore losers in this apparently "non anti-Irish trend". It was accidental IMO, and I don't think your sly remarks at hitting out at Healy will change the outcome of the championship. It doesn't gave a good impression when a writer on 606v2 is labeling players "thugs". If you want to play that game, Farrell in the Ireland/England game should have been yellow carded for hes incredibly late shoulder charge on Conner Murray which was passed off with a blind eye.There were a couple of instances in which there were late tackles one of note to deliberately I felt to injure Ireland players, including a late tackle on sexton. Ireland won because they were the best team in the championship, not because apparent "Irish thug" was not yellow carded. So, when your drinking your pints of the "Black stuff" on tomorrow on Patrick's Day they will be all the sweeter this side of the Irish sea. No grudges.
I think you probably have a few people calling him a thug as thats what a few irish posters did with Farrell (one of those being an Irish mod). Nothing to do with being sore losers. I think you need calm down, everyone is entitled to their opinion without being labelled a sore loser.
Ireland were the best team in the championship but only just, only by one forward pass! But thats what makes it exciting, being so close. Here's to next year, it's going to be exciting!
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nathan wrote:RugbyFan182 wrote:Duty281 wrote:He's a common thug.
I think we have a couple of sore losers in this apparently "non anti-Irish trend". It was accidental IMO, and I don't think your sly remarks at hitting out at Healy will change the outcome of the championship. It doesn't gave a good impression when a writer on 606v2 is labeling players "thugs". If you want to play that game, Farrell in the Ireland/England game should have been yellow carded for hes incredibly late shoulder charge on Conner Murray which was passed off with a blind eye.There were a couple of instances in which there were late tackles one of note to deliberately I felt to injure Ireland players, including a late tackle on sexton. Ireland won because they were the best team in the championship, not because apparent "Irish thug" was not yellow carded. So, when your drinking your pints of the "Black stuff" on tomorrow on Patrick's Day they will be all the sweeter this side of the Irish sea. No grudges.
I think you probably have a few people calling him a thug as thats what a few irish posters did with Farrell (one of those being an Irish mod). Nothing to do with being sore losers. I think you need calm down, everyone is entitled to their opinion without being labelled a sore loser.
Ireland were the best team in the championship but only just, only by one forward pass! But thats what makes it exciting, being so close. Here's to next year, it's going to be exciting!
No, Nathan not by a forward pass, but 10 points better, by scoring more try's than England and conceding less. Having tougher away game's and still coming through the better team. Characterizing a teams win down to negativity like a "forward pass" is petty, if you believe a "forward pass" was all that stopped England winning the championship you better look at the table again.
Ireland won the Championship because they deserved it, they were better than England overall the championship. Nathan, I am more than calm, We are Six nations champions...Happy Patrick's Day. Enjoy the "Black Stuff" .
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Guinness is 'orrible. Does anybody still drink it apart from Americans?
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nathan wrote:Portnoy's Complaint wrote:The Saint wrote:No, no reason at all apart from only coming online when Wales lose a game (or Healy gives away a penalty) to post sub-standard WUMs. And my posts are aimed at the one with the agenda.
What exactly is a good WUM, Saint?
You appear to be the the self-styled expert on the toxonomy of wummery.
[ed.] p.s. How does this post rate?
i think his idea of a good wum is just posting the scoreline from last years eng/wal 6 nations game.
Some of GE's can be good, but only some . I think mine are pretty decent too...
Is this your only contribution to the thread though? Astonishing.
Nathan, no. Perhaps one day you'll stop posting childish comments and showing off when Wales win a game of rugby. I the find the latter behaviour from you quite ironic giving the amount of rubbish you go posting about Wales (and on the last day, Ireland), then go off complaining about people wumming.
Kudos to the Sore Losers brigade. Maybe next year guys .
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I think mine are pretty decent too...
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whocares wrote:Healy didnt do much harm and if anything it wasnt intentional. Who knows what Picamoles done to him before. People use the term thug a bit too lightly over here. What's next? Bastareaud should be cited for trampling on Sexton?
Oh the French. In the middle of a virtual assassination by the tabloid-reading, pussey-footed, English soccerball fans, we have the cultured French, with a reasoned, civilised view.
God, I just love the French.
Pour toi mon ami.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XsxdQW1s8E
Why would Healy contrive to knock himself out, never mind Picamoles? No way he meant to head-butt him. But it was dangerous. He should be cited. Perspective.
Rugby is for real wimmin. Not pusseys.
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Portnoy's Complaint wrote:The Saint wrote:No, no reason at all apart from only coming online when Wales lose a game (or Healy gives away a penalty) to post sub-standard WUMs. And my posts are aimed at the one with the agenda.
What exactly is a good WUM, Saint?
You appear to be the the self-styled expert on the toxonomy of wummery.
[ed.] p.s. How does this post rate?
9/10 for your eloquent use of the English language, Port old chap.
Not a tabloid-reader.
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whocares wrote:Healy didnt do much harm and if anything it wasnt intentional. Who knows what Picamoles done to him before. People use the term thug a bit too lightly over here. What's next? Bastareaud should be cited for trampling on Sexton?
Fair play whocares. Nice bit of balance there. Healy is a thug in England because of one incident. How sad.
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To be fair to Healy he only accidentally poked warburton in the eye when binding for the scrum in this years ire v wal game, I also don't think he cleared the ruck with his head on purpose he just did what comes natural to him when clearing a ruck as all pro 12 fans would tell you.
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Guns, it's more than one incident. Each one being rather more serious than Farrell's petulance that you seem to have a very firm stance on.GunsGerms wrote:whocares wrote:Healy didnt do much harm and if anything it wasnt intentional. Who knows what Picamoles done to him before. People use the term thug a bit too lightly over here. What's next? Bastareaud should be cited for trampling on Sexton?
Fair play whocares. Nice bit of balance there. Healy is a thug in England because of one incident. How sad.
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Ah Guns is accusing Farrel of being a kunst, is it? Live and die by the sword then, mo Irish chara.
Farrel is as much of a kunst as Healy. Why? They both want to be best-in-position. Why cant ye people understand this basic premise? Picamoles didnt even wince. He got a belt. He got up. Hes a man. So man da phhok up ya wimps.
Farrel is as much of a kunst as Healy. Why? They both want to be best-in-position. Why cant ye people understand this basic premise? Picamoles didnt even wince. He got a belt. He got up. Hes a man. So man da phhok up ya wimps.
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Gibson wrote:Ah Guns is accusing Farrel of being a kunst, is it? Live and die by the sword then, mo Irish chara.
Farrel is as much of a kunst as Healy. Why? They both want to be best-in-position. Why cant ye people understand this basic premise? Picamoles didnt even wince. He got a belt. He got up. Hes a man. So man da phhok up ya wimps.
Oh his left Mafia eye did wince and looked pretty p-issed...and probably threatened Healy with an impending contract
His nice right eye didn't seem to be offended at all though - all part of a robust passionate sport.
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RugbyFan182 wrote:No, Nathan not by a forward pass, but 10 points better, by scoring more try's than England and conceding less. Having tougher away game's and still coming through the better team. Characterizing a teams win down to negativity like a "forward pass" is petty, if you believe a "forward pass" was all that stopped England winning the championship you better look at the table again.
Not sure what this means. If that pass hadn't gone forward then England literally would have won the Championship - probably the same for a missed French kick or possible penalty from the last scrum.
The two teams are pretty inseparable performance-wise right now, and in those cases it comes down to absolutely tiny margins. Can't begrudge Ireland the win at all, but if France had kicked that penalty or made that pass then I don't think you could begrudge England it either.
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I thought England were the most complete team in this comp.
Even with Schmidt, they have a year on Ireland, that's for sure.
Even with Schmidt, they have a year on Ireland, that's for sure.
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Back (barely) to the citing or no.
He should be cited because it appeared to be dangerous play. That is separate from banning and whatever else. Its just worth the powers that be exploring what happened in more detail. If they decide it was an accident and he just fell forward with his arms at his side then so be it.
He should be cited because it appeared to be dangerous play. That is separate from banning and whatever else. Its just worth the powers that be exploring what happened in more detail. If they decide it was an accident and he just fell forward with his arms at his side then so be it.
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Good man Lost. Nailed.
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And I never even mentioned what Farrell did to Murray. And I could have. In all fairness.
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nathan wrote:RugbyFan182 wrote:Duty281 wrote:He's a common thug.
I think we have a couple of sore losers in this apparently "non anti-Irish trend". It was accidental IMO, and I don't think your sly remarks at hitting out at Healy will change the outcome of the championship. It doesn't gave a good impression when a writer on 606v2 is labeling players "thugs". If you want to play that game, Farrell in the Ireland/England game should have been yellow carded for hes incredibly late shoulder charge on Conner Murray which was passed off with a blind eye.There were a couple of instances in which there were late tackles one of note to deliberately I felt to injure Ireland players, including a late tackle on sexton. Ireland won because they were the best team in the championship, not because apparent "Irish thug" was not yellow carded. So, when your drinking your pints of the "Black stuff" on tomorrow on Patrick's Day they will be all the sweeter this side of the Irish sea. No grudges.
I think you probably have a few people calling him a thug as thats what a few irish posters did with Farrell (one of those being an Irish mod). Nothing to do with being sore losers. I think you need calm down, everyone is entitled to their opinion without being labelled a sore loser.
Ireland were the best team in the championship but only just, only by one forward pass! But thats what makes it exciting, being so close. Here's to next year, it's going to be exciting!
Think you are misremembering that tbh...
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The Saint wrote:
Kudos to the Sore Losers brigade
You know what they say Saint, self-praise is no praise!
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We are all watching a different video of the Game Notch. Sometimes, its astounding how different that is.
Bless.
Trimble will never make it again, at this level. :DressedOrange:
Bless.
Trimble will never make it again, at this level. :DressedOrange:
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He's finished for sure! No cutting edge that man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TtpWEj1YHo&index=13&list=PLg20xIo2wglIRYbbY3e6IhlX_ItAo7Jr4
(If he dummied he goes under the posts though!)
Here and what about Chris Henry throwing a Sonny Bill one-handed offload for the first try?! Didn't know he had it in him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TtpWEj1YHo&index=13&list=PLg20xIo2wglIRYbbY3e6IhlX_ItAo7Jr4
(If he dummied he goes under the posts though!)
Here and what about Chris Henry throwing a Sonny Bill one-handed offload for the first try?! Didn't know he had it in him.
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I reckon Chris Henry has been spending a bit too much time hanging around with Nick Williams, except he actually pulls it off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1geM7BP19WI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1geM7BP19WI
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Notch wrote:I reckon Chris Henry has been spending a bit too much time hanging around with Nick Williams, except he actually pulls it off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1geM7BP19WI
I didn't realise in realtime, but that offload is probably the best thing I saw in this tournament. Henry is def one of our players of the 6 nations. Delighted for him.
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thomh wrote:RugbyFan182 wrote:No, Nathan not by a forward pass, but 10 points better, by scoring more try's than England and conceding less. Having tougher away game's and still coming through the better team. Characterizing a teams win down to negativity like a "forward pass" is petty, if you believe a "forward pass" was all that stopped England winning the championship you better look at the table again.
Not sure what this means. If that pass hadn't gone forward then England literally would have won the Championship - probably the same for a missed French kick or possible penalty from the last scrum.
The two teams are pretty inseparable performance-wise right now, and in those cases it comes down to absolutely tiny margins. Can't begrudge Ireland the win at all, but if France had kicked that penalty or made that pass then I don't think you could begrudge England it either.
I agree, it would be easy to pick a dozen things that if they'd gone the other way would have changed the end result - I think both teams are very close at the moment. Re the home/away games you could also make the point that Ireland had 3 home games to England's 2 which allowed them to wrack up the points difference … in the end it was Ireland's year and good luck to them and a fitting send-off for BOD, one of my all-time favourite players.
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Saint wrote:Some of GE's can be good, but only some Smile. I think mine are pretty decent too...
You think making your country and people more loathed and despised by your behaviour is good?
Oh my.
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wolfball wrote:Notch wrote:I reckon Chris Henry has been spending a bit too much time hanging around with Nick Williams, except he actually pulls it off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1geM7BP19WI
I didn't realise in realtime, but that offload is probably the best thing I saw in this tournament. Henry is def one of our players of the 6 nations. Delighted for him.
Agree. The three ulster lads were phenominal. Rog and Horgan practically asked Trimble to marry them after the game. Great to see.
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Cowshot wrote:Saint wrote:Some of GE's can be good, but only some Smile. I think mine are pretty decent too...
You think making your country and people more loathed and despised by your behaviour is good?
Oh my.
Speak for yourselves, Sore Losers crew.
How's the 2nd place finish today, still better than 1st place?
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Still making yourself popular i see saint.
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Healy will be fine once he gets his head in the right place
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Barney McGrew did it wrote:Healy will be fine once he gets his head in the right place
It was more an issue of not using the arms, if you ask me
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PredictorofTeams wrote:Scrumpy wrote:The guys a thug, he'll be cited soon enough, but how he got away with is beyond me
This is pathetic,the guy has gotten cited once previously for stamping.If you are just annoyed your beloved England didn't win the championship, don't take it out on Healy.
Calling him a thug is completely out of order, what about Hartley who's got cited countless amount of times(he bites people), and averages 5 penalties per game.Or Manu Tualagi who nearly punched the head off Ashton.Or Ashton.
For the amount of caps that Healy has gottten, he has only 1 yellow card, and you're calling this guy a thug, pathetic!
it is 2 years in a row in the 6N mind. Going to start getting singled out. Like Hartley, once you get that rep its difficult to shed.
But he's not achieved the level of bakkies or cudmore yet.
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Its flamin rugby guys. Do you want everyone to be all nicey nicey to each other. Heally works it...Farrell does...i want some of my players like that.
Get stuck in and wind the opposition up...
Get stuck in and wind the opposition up...
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RugbyFan182 wrote:nathan wrote:RugbyFan182 wrote:Duty281 wrote:He's a common thug.
I think we have a couple of sore losers in this apparently "non anti-Irish trend". It was accidental IMO, and I don't think your sly remarks at hitting out at Healy will change the outcome of the championship. It doesn't gave a good impression when a writer on 606v2 is labeling players "thugs". If you want to play that game, Farrell in the Ireland/England game should have been yellow carded for hes incredibly late shoulder charge on Conner Murray which was passed off with a blind eye.There were a couple of instances in which there were late tackles one of note to deliberately I felt to injure Ireland players, including a late tackle on sexton. Ireland won because they were the best team in the championship, not because apparent "Irish thug" was not yellow carded. So, when your drinking your pints of the "Black stuff" on tomorrow on Patrick's Day they will be all the sweeter this side of the Irish sea. No grudges.
I think you probably have a few people calling him a thug as thats what a few irish posters did with Farrell (one of those being an Irish mod). Nothing to do with being sore losers. I think you need calm down, everyone is entitled to their opinion without being labelled a sore loser.
Ireland were the best team in the championship but only just, only by one forward pass! But thats what makes it exciting, being so close. Here's to next year, it's going to be exciting!
No, Nathan not by a forward pass, but 10 points better, by scoring more try's than England and conceding less. Having tougher away game's and still coming through the better team. Characterizing a teams win down to negativity like a "forward pass" is petty, if you believe a "forward pass" was all that stopped England winning the championship you better look at the table again.
Ireland won the Championship because they deserved it, they were better than England overall the championship. Nathan, I am more than calm, We are Six nations champions...Happy Patrick's Day. Enjoy the "Black Stuff" .
I'm failing to see where i said ireland wasn't deserving?
How is it petty? If France had scored that try, they would of probably won the game. It was a close 6 nations, i suggest you look at the table again!
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The Saint wrote:Cowshot wrote:Saint wrote:Some of GE's can be good, but only some Smile. I think mine are pretty decent too...
You think making your country and people more loathed and despised by your behaviour is good?
Oh my.
Speak for yourselves, Sore Losers crew.
How's the 2nd place finish today, still better than 1st place?
If my team came third in the Six Nations, I wouldn't be mocking the team that came second, eh?
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Cowshot wrote:Saint wrote:Some of GE's can be good, but only some Smile. I think mine are pretty decent too...
You think making your country and people more loathed and despised by your behaviour is good?
Oh my.
If you 'loathe and despise' a country and people based on Saint then i think the problem lies just as much with you Cowshot.
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It's not just Saint, Scratch. Not just Saint
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HammerofThunor wrote:It's not just Saint, Scratch. Not just Saint
I repeat, if you loathe and despise a 'country and its people' based on me or saint, then the problem lies with you.
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Re: cian Healy citing?
Who's talking about you? Arrogant so and so. Clearly an English WUM pretending to be Welsh.
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