Wilder v Klitschko

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What chance would you give Wilder in this? I really think he has a good one. Klitschko is technically better in the basics department and more experienced (but older). His career has been spent facing absolute crap though, especially lately. Wilder is a monster puncher, pretty good athlete and reasonably quick. Klitschko seldom faces anyone with all of these combined attributes. I think the fight will 100% never happen because both sides wont fancy it enough but I think Wilder is all wrong for Klitschkos standard jab and grab routine and Klitschko would sh1t himself against that sort of opponent.

catchweight wrote:I never argued that. Mayweather has been doing it for years. Its everyone else that doesnt seem to accept the point.

My problem with your point is that you're putting Wilder on a ridiculous level. Wlad will only fight him if he is offered $20m, as if this guy is the re-incarnation of 1988 Mike Tyson   
If Wilder found his balls and stepped up and was destroyed, a new name would emerge who some would say Wlad is avoiding. It's been going on years and will never stop until he's retired and gone.
Wilder looks good against men he's supposed to look good against. It's sad seeing guys like him and Gary Russell Jr. kept away from any potential challenge for so long.

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

What level am I putting Wilder on? You seem to be putting Klitschko on a ridiculous level. A guy who has been fighting absolute crap, best on offer or not, for years.

You would rather see him in with a guy like Fury or Chisora. Boxers that have no chance and offer nothing different to the same slobs he has faced for decades. The most predictable fights imaginable.

I would rather see him in with a boxer like Wilder who offers something a little different and has lethal power, is exciting and has the potential to cause the upset. Il take Wilder looking good against his opposition rather than the rest of the division looking crap against theirs.

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

catchweight wrote:What level am I putting Wilder on? You seem to be putting Klitschko on a ridiculous level. A guy who has been fighting absolute crap, best on offer or not, for years.

You would rather see him in with a guy like Fury or Chisora. Boxers that have no chance and offer nothing different to the same slobs he has faced for decades. The most predictable fights imaginable.

I would rather see him in with a boxer like Wilder who offers something a little different and has lethal power, is exciting and has the potential to cause the upset. Il take Wilder looking good against his opposition rather than the rest of the division looking crap against theirs.

Funny you criticizing a guy like Delboy. A man who has had less fights than Wilder yet been in the ring with Klitschko, Fury, Haye, Helenius. While the man you big up takes on the Audley Harrison acid test.

Wilder offers something that makes you think he can beat Wladimir Klitschko, eh? Was it the win over Harrison that made you believe that?Or maybe the KO over that tough, monster Nicolai Firtha which finally did it.

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Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Might as well give Joshua a shot - Pfft, records, overrated...

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

kingraf wrote:Might as well give Joshua  a shot - Pfft, records, overrated...  

I would give him a better chance than Fury or Chisora

My thing with Wilder is this: He's a big guy who can punch but what else have we seen from him. Not the best punch resistance in the world and an obvious worry from his handlers about matching him with anyone who may pose a slim threat.
All this talk about him is exactly what I heard about David Price when he was mowing through guys who were picked to make him look good. As soon as he stepped up and faced a legit threat (Albeit, an older guy who was expected to just be over for the payday) he was horribly exposed, not once but twice.
I saw people saying Price would destroy Fury, Haye and Klitschko and dominate the division, all based on him smashing the likes of Audley and Sketon   

I want to see Wilder in with the Arreola/Stiverne winner. Lets see how he fares when a big guy who can punch lands on him, and what happens when has to go past 4 rounds.

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

Oh, so you're going by the reputable boxing rankings and the Golden Boy magazi...I mean RING magazine rankings now? I have now seen the light. Wilder definitely deserves a shot now.

Why bother waiting to see how Wilder fares against one of the rubbish. Id would rather see him in with Klitschko now based on his obvious power, the potential he has and the fact there is no other heavyweight out there that offers anything different to what Klitschko has already beat. Id prefer to see Klitschko in with a murderous puncher who is big, athletic and in shape despite being relatively unproven rather than one of the useless heavyweights I know have no chance at all.

catchweight wrote:

kingraf wrote:Might as well give Joshua  a shot - Pfft, records, overrated...  

I would give him a better chance than Fury or Chisora

You like the whole 'slick and black' type, right?

catchweight has been basing the klitschkos since his 1st post.

Wilder has fought nobody so I don't get where all this hype is coming from.

catchweight wrote:Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine

You do realise if you are using that argument then Wlad has faced every top ranked opponent out there... Have, Povetkin, Peters, Chagaev, Ibragimov etc etc

Your whole argument is that wilder has looked impressive but when people tell you he has looked impressive against nobodies you ignore that point.

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catchweight wrote:

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catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

Oh, so you're going by the reputable boxing rankings and the Golden Boy magazi...I mean RING magazine rankings now? I have now seen the light. Wilder definitely deserves a shot now.

Im going by common sense that he is better than Wach and Pianeta.

catchweight wrote:Why bother waiting to see how Wilder fares against one of the rubbish.

Same was said about Price  

catchweight wrote:Why bother waiting to see how Wilder fares against one of the rubbish. Id would rather see him in with Klitschko now based on his obvious power, the potential he has and the fact there is no other heavyweight out there that offers anything different to what Klitschko has already beat. Id prefer to see Klitschko in with a murderous puncher who is big, athletic and in shape despite being relatively unproven rather than one of the useless heavyweights I know have no chance at all.

To see if he is hype or not..... very easy to knock out tomato cans.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:catchweight has been basing the klitschkos since his 1st post.

Wilder has fought nobody so I don't get where all this hype is coming from.

catchweight wrote:Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine

You do realise if you are using that argument then Wlad has faced every top ranked opponent out there... Have, Povetkin, Peters, Chagaev, Ibragimov etc etc

Your whole argument is that wilder has looked impressive but when people tell you he has looked impressive against nobodies you ignore that point.

I havent ignored the point at all. I havent argued it full stop. I WOULD RATHER SEE KLITSCHKO FIGHT AN OPPONENT WHO MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE BASED ON BEING IN SHAPE, HAVING POWER AND BEING PHYSICALLY STRONG THAN SEEING KLITSCHKO FIGHT YET ANOTHER OUT OF SHAPE NO HOPER. The Klitschko Defence League would be terrified of this though. They want the winner of Fury and Chisora.

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:Why bother waiting to see how Wilder fares against one of the rubbish.

Same was said about Price  

So what? It wasnt said about Wach, Mormeck or Pianteta. Price would have been a better opponent at the time than any of them. A much more interesting fight.

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

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catchweight wrote:

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catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

Oh, so you're going by the reputable boxing rankings and the Golden Boy magazi...I mean RING magazine rankings now? I have now seen the light. Wilder definitely deserves a shot now.

Im going by common sense that he is better than Wach and Pianeta.

what makes wilder better than Wach?

Wach was undefeated with 25 knock outs in 27 wins, wach was 6ft8 and was a lot bigger than Klitschko.

Wach and Wilder seem pretty similer to me.

catchweight wrote:

Im going by common sense that he is better than Wach and Pianeta.

Based on.......?

Those two guys weren't up to much but they had two things in common: They were extremely tough and showed a lot of heart, and they had no problem facing the best.

Two things Wilder has yet to show. I wonder how Wilder reacts when he is hit back?





His handlers know about his inability to take a shot. That's why he has been matched the way he has. Some folk probably believe its because they want him to learn more, though. I just wonder how much is he learned from knocking over 30 stiffs with first punch he throws   

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

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catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

Oh, so you're going by the reputable boxing rankings and the Golden Boy magazi...I mean RING magazine rankings now? I have now seen the light. Wilder definitely deserves a shot now.

Im going by common sense that he is better than Wach and Pianeta.

what makes wilder better than Wach?

Wach was undefeated with 25 knock outs in 27 wins, wach was 6ft8 and was a lot bigger than Klitschko.

Wach and Wilder seem pretty similer to me.

LOL

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:Why bother waiting to see how Wilder fares against one of the rubbish.

Same was said about Price  

So what? It wasnt said about Wach, Mormeck or Pianteta. Price would have been a better opponent at the time than any of them. A much more interesting fight.

Seeing Price knocked out in first round would have been more interesting?

catchweight wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

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catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

Oh, so you're going by the reputable boxing rankings and the Golden Boy magazi...I mean RING magazine rankings now? I have now seen the light. Wilder definitely deserves a shot now.

Im going by common sense that he is better than Wach and Pianeta.

what makes wilder better than Wach?

Wach was undefeated with 25 knock outs in 27 wins, wach was 6ft8 and was a lot bigger than Klitschko.

Wach and Wilder seem pretty similer to me.

LOL

your whole argument is based on wilder knocking out tomato cans and wilde being tall and powerful, those same arguments apply to wach. Wach was undefeated with 27 victories including 25 kos, wach was taller than klitschko and outweighed klitschko. Wach also had an amazing chin.

There is no difference between wilder's record and wach's record. If you are saying klitschko is fighting bums and saying wach was a bum then you are saying wilder is a bum too because they both have basically identical records.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

Oh, so you're going by the reputable boxing rankings and the Golden Boy magazi...I mean RING magazine rankings now? I have now seen the light. Wilder definitely deserves a shot now.

Im going by common sense that he is better than Wach and Pianeta.

what makes wilder better than Wach?

Wach was undefeated with 25 knock outs in 27 wins, wach was 6ft8 and was a lot bigger than Klitschko.

Wach and Wilder seem pretty similer to me.

Something tells me that if Deontay Wilder was from Poland and named Dionizy Wienczyslaw, CW would call him another no-hoper bum for Wlad to feast on. Maybe I'm wrong.

Kurt Ward wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

Oh, so you're going by the reputable boxing rankings and the Golden Boy magazi...I mean RING magazine rankings now? I have now seen the light. Wilder definitely deserves a shot now.

Im going by common sense that he is better than Wach and Pianeta.

what makes wilder better than Wach?

Wach was undefeated with 25 knock outs in 27 wins, wach was 6ft8 and was a lot bigger than Klitschko.

Wach and Wilder seem pretty similer to me.

Something tells me that if Deontay Wilder was from Poland and named Dionizy Wienczyslaw, CW would call him another no-hoper bum for Wlad to feast on. Maybe I'm wrong.

haha I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Wlad is so good in the eyes of Fury, Wilder and even Haye's eyes (never wanted a rematch)...and the rest...That they are waiting him out...

Why Wlad has to fight stiffs..

Dionizy Wienczyslaw

Kurt Ward wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:

catchweight wrote:And Mormeck, Wach and Pianteta are three of the most undeserving title challengers ever. Low even by this crap divisions standards.

So you don't want to see Wlad - Wilder any time soon, right? Because, like them, he fought no one worth a Poopie beforehand.

Do you watch boxing or just go off records?

You call guys like Wach and Pianeta unworthy. But you have no problem with Wilder taking on Wlad    I see Golden Boy's hype has worked with you. Did you believe in Seth Mitchell and Chris Arreola too?

Wilder is ranked in the top ten by every world title body and the mighty Ring magazine. Wach and Pianteta were nobodies who had looked unimpressive against other nobodies. Carry on.

Oh, so you're going by the reputable boxing rankings and the Golden Boy magazi...I mean RING magazine rankings now? I have now seen the light. Wilder definitely deserves a shot now.

Im going by common sense that he is better than Wach and Pianeta.

what makes wilder better than Wach?

Wach was undefeated with 25 knock outs in 27 wins, wach was 6ft8 and was a lot bigger than Klitschko.

Wach and Wilder seem pretty similer to me.

Something tells me that if Deontay Wilder was from Poland and named Dionizy Wienczyslaw, CW would call him another no-hoper bum for Wlad to feast on. Maybe I'm wrong.

Yep you are wrong. What is being American got to do with it? Im a big fan of Golovkin and Kovalov who get the same crap thrown at them. Exciting fighters arent popular on here, especially if they offer a threat to fanboys favourite fighters. I like entertainment, not boxrecing record comparisons. People cant wait to say they exposed the next "hype job".

On a serious note... boxing is not the freaking freaking Grammys - It's a results driven sport. If your best result is Audley f'n Harrison, I'm not sure how anyone can argue you are a legit threat... Can't imagine anyone would claim Nadal is afraid of a player who goes 50-0 against players ranked > 500... I know we don't treat it as a sport, but please let's remember it actually is one

Brilliant

I wonder what CW thought of that Heavyweight KO machine David Rodriguez. That guy was 36-0 with 34 KOs. He then signed with Main Events and got splattered in his first fight against the Ding-A-Ling man lol.

You are totally wrong. Its is not really a results driven sport. Its a much broader combination of factors. When you are built like Wilder and hit as hard as him then boxers take notice. Klitschko can get away with fighting far less dangerous opposition so he will. You can say hes fought most of the top guys in the division but he has offered some of the poorest opponents to challenge for titles a shot when he has had the choice. Please dont defend Wach, Pianteta and Mormeck and pretend they were bigger or more dangerous fights than Wilder in the name of defending all things Klitschko. They were handpicked punchbags who Klitschko knew would take the fight for peanuts because they were never going to be able to work their way into contention. It is what it is. Wilder might just be one of the only guys in the division with the power and style and physicality to really threaten Klitschko. Funny that people dont want to see it. Similar sentiments with Mayweather taking on dangerous fights on here.

Kurt Ward wrote:I wonder what CW thought of that Heavyweight KO machine David Rodriguez. That guy was 36-0 with 34 KOs. He then signed with Main Events and got splattered in his first fight against the Ding-A-Ling man lol.

Is this all you have to offer? Some other boxer one time had a big unbeaten record which i found on boxrec and then he lost?

Its easy to say in hindsight that Price would ave been an easy win but I guarantee at the time Price was unbeaten and looking good it would have been a far more interesting opponent than a 40 year old Mormeck.

I would love to see Wlad - Wilder. Would be great seeing all the fans in the build-up picking Wilder to win only to then change their tune and say he was garbage after Wlad knocks him out with the first right hand he throws.

In fairness Wilder has something about him which Wach did not, neither deserve a shot but at least Wilder has some talent. Dior if you're going to use Boxrec at least get it right Wach has 15 stoppages in 27 fights against rough opposition, his best win is against the American equivalent of Harrison; Tye Fields.

Would I like to see Wlad fight somebody like Wilder, yes I would but I don't think he has any obligation to do so because Kurt is right, if he wasn't American there would be no hype.

Catchy is a huge Louis fan...He fought nothing but stiffs..

Maybe Kurt is on to something..

catchweight wrote:

Kurt Ward wrote:I wonder what CW thought of that Heavyweight KO machine David Rodriguez. That guy was 36-0 with 34 KOs. He then signed with Main Events and got splattered in his first fight against the Ding-A-Ling man lol.

Is this all you have to offer? Some other boxer one time had a big unbeaten record which i found on boxrec and then he lost?

Its easy to say in hindsight that Price would ave been an easy win but I guarantee at the time Price was unbeaten and looking good it would have been a far more interesting opponent than a 40 year old Mormeck.

A guy who got handled twice by a 40-year-old Wlad victim isn't interesting at all. You're a guy who seems to fall blindly in love with a big lump who can knock fat lumps over.

catchweight wrote:You are totally wrong. Its is not really a results driven sport. Its a much broader combination of factors. When you are built like Wilder and hit as hard as him then boxers take notice. Klitschko can get away with fighting far less dangerous opposition so he will. You can say hes fought most of the top guys in the division but he has offered some of the poorest opponents to challenge for titles a shot when he has had the choice. Please dont defend Wach, Pianteta and Mormeck and pretend they were bigger or more dangerous fights than Wilder in the name of defending all things Klitschko. They were handpicked punchbags who Klitschko knew would take the fight for peanuts because they were never going to be able to work their way into contention. It is what it is. Wilder might just be one of the only guys in the division with the power and style and physicality to really threaten Klitschko. Funny that people dont want to see it. Similar sentiments with Mayweather taking on dangerous fights on here.

Wilder is actually less built than David Haye.

Wilder is 6ft 8 and weighs 220 lbs whilst Haye is 6ft 3 and weighed 222 lbs.

As said many times, Wilder's record is built on beating people ranked around the top 50.

A Wilder win over someone legit makes everyone take notice and then we look forward to a Wlad fight even more. This is all I want to see. Beat someone like an Arreola or Stiverne and then the fight is a lot bigger. Could take place in the States and drum up interest. Right now, not many people care about Wilder because he's only been on SHO a couple times against nobody. He needs an Arreola IMO.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Wilder is actually less built than David Haye.

Wilder is 6ft 8 and weighs 220 lbs whilst Haye is 6ft 3 and weighed 222 lbs.

As said many times, Wilder's record is built on beating people ranked around the top 50.

He weird. Great physique yet he has those Paul Williams type matchstick legs. Looks like Dr Frankenstein has put an NBA player's torso on a bantamweight's legs  

Kurt Ward wrote:A Wilder win over someone legit makes everyone take notice and then we look forward to a Wlad fight even more. This is all I want to see. Beat someone like an Arreola or Stiverne and then the fight is a lot bigger. Could take place in the States and drum up interest. Right now, not many people care about Wilder because he's only been on SHO a couple times against nobody. He needs an Arreola IMO.

I'm a bit annoyed with WIlder, I thought he would step up his level of opposition after fighting Harrisson but he seemed to go backwards fighting firtha and liakovich etc

Wilder needs to face 2 decent opponents ranked in the top 10 and then a fight with wlad would be demanded for by the public. Right now no one is demanding the fight because wilder is so unproven.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:You are totally wrong. Its is not really a results driven sport. Its a much broader combination of factors. When you are built like Wilder and hit as hard as him then boxers take notice. Klitschko can get away with fighting far less dangerous opposition so he will. You can say hes fought most of the top guys in the division but he has offered some of the poorest opponents to challenge for titles a shot when he has had the choice. Please dont defend Wach, Pianteta and Mormeck and pretend they were bigger or more dangerous fights than Wilder in the name of defending all things Klitschko. They were handpicked punchbags who Klitschko knew would take the fight for peanuts because they were never going to be able to work their way into contention. It is what it is. Wilder might just be one of the only guys in the division with the power and style and physicality to really threaten Klitschko. Funny that people dont want to see it. Similar sentiments with Mayweather taking on dangerous fights on here.

Wilder is actually less built than David Haye.

Wilder is 6ft 8 and weighs 220 lbs whilst Haye is 6ft 3 and weighed 222 lbs.

As said many times, Wilder's record is built on beating people ranked around the top 50.

More lies. I just checked boxrec there myself now. He is 6'8 and has weighed over 222 in all his last four fights. A reach 5 inches longer as well. you dont half talk nonsense. A big heavyweight like Wilder "less built" than a former cruiserweight like Haye. LOL. You cant even quote boxrec straight.

Actually 6 foot 6 and half. You got that bit wrong too.

Built would refer to his muscle-height ratio... Think The Rock vs Yao Ming

Kurt Ward wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Wilder is actually less built than David Haye.

Wilder is 6ft 8 and weighs 220 lbs whilst Haye is 6ft 3 and weighed 222 lbs.

As said many times, Wilder's record is built on beating people ranked around the top 50.

He weird. Great physique yet he has those Paul Williams type matchstick legs. Looks like Dr Frankenstein has put an NBA player's torso on a bantamweight's legs  

haha so true.

His weight is quite weird for a guy 6ft 8 he is very light. Most HW's that height weigh 240lbs +. Wlad weighs 246 lbs and he is 6ft 6, Wach weighed 250lbs and he was 6ft 8, vitali klitschko weighed about 250lbs and he was 6ft 8, seth mitchell weighed 242 lbs.

Wilders weight of 220lbs is very light for a HW who is 6ft 8.

Wilder is taller than 6'6" . Boxrec get it wrong quite often.

There's no point debating Wlad with C_S, he'll just run off a whole load of pointless statistics about Wach being unbeaten so is better than Lewis' win over Ruddock because he lost a couple of times. There's no objectivity, any statistic is taken as fact and twisted to suit his argument.

catchweight wrote:Actually 6 foot 6 and half. You got that bit wrong too.

ok so he is the same height as klitscho and weighs nearly 30lbs less than klitschko.

But you just made up a lot of crap before that. Quoting absolute bollox stats.