RP12 Semi-Final 1; Glasgow vs Munster, 16 May

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Glasgow Warriors v Munster Rugby

Friday 16 May 2014, KO: 19:35
Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow

Live on BBC ALBA/TG4/SC4

Referee: Marius Mitrea (FIR, 29th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Giuseppe Vivarini, Stefano Penne (both FIR)
Citing Commissioner: Dennis Jones (WRU)
TMO: Carlo Damasco (FIR)

A. Teams:

I. Glasgow

15. Peter Murchie
14. Sean Maitland
13. Mark Bennett
12. Alex Dunbar
11. Tommy Seymour
10. Finn Russell
9. Chris Cusiter

1. Ryan Grant
2. Dougie Hall
3. Jon Welsh
4. Jonny Gray
5. Al Kellock (Captain)
6. Rob Harley
7. Chris Fusaro
8. Josh Strauss

16. Pat MacArthur
17. Gordon Reid
18. Geoff Cross
19. Tim Swinson
20. Leone Nakarawa
21. Niko Matawalu
22. Ruaridh Jackson
23. Sean Lamont

II. Munster

Felix Jones, Keith Earls, Casey Laulala, James Downey, Simon Zebo; Ian Keatley, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Damien Varley - Capt, BJ Botha; Dave Foley, Paul O'Connell; CJ Stander, Sean Dougall, James Coughlan.

Replacements: Quentin MacDonald, James Cronin, John Ryan, Donncha O'Callaghan, Paddy Butler, Duncan Williams, JJ Hanrahan, Andrew Conway.

B. Previous Championships

I. Glasgow

None

Playoff Record - Played 3, Lost 3:
2010 Swansea: lost to Ospreys 5-20
2012 RDS: lost to Leinster 15-19.
2013 RDS: lost to Leinster 15-17.

II. Munster

Three (2002-2003; 2008-2009; 2010-2011)

Playoff Record - Played 3, Won 1, Lost 2:
2010 RDS: lost to Leinster 6-16.
2011 Thomond Park: beat Ospreys 18-11.
2012 Swansea: lost to Ospreys 10-45.

C. Form - head to head:

23 Played 23
8 Wins 14
14 Losses 8
1 Draws 1
44 Tries 57
31 Conversions 41
59 Penalties 51
1 Drop Goals 1
462 Points 523
26 Avg. Age 26

D. Form - this season & last:

Sat 1 December 2012, 19:45
Munster Rugby 31 - 3 Glasgow Warriors
Thomond Park

Fri 29 March 2013, 20:05
Glasgow Warriors 51 - 24 Munster Rugby
Scotstoun

Fri 25 October 2013, 19:35
Glasgow Warriors 6 - 13 Munster Rugby
Scotstoun

Sat 12 April 2014, 18:30
Munster Rugby 5 - 22 Glasgow Warriors
Thomond Park

Maitland vs Zebo is a joy to watch. Really.

This is a frak disgrace. How can they not see that come off a Munster hand?!

Kellock really is underpowered at this level though.

Ineffable wrote:

Notch wrote:

123456789 wrote:

Notch wrote:

123456789 wrote:

Notch wrote:

123456789 wrote:So just to clarify, in the laws of the game if Munster cheat don't react, just accept it and move on, it's just what they do.

Well, you could try falling over and waving your arms at an exaggerated manner at the ref.

How does getting into fights help you win the game? They will try and make you lose your discipline. You have to avoid that pitfall.

I'm not saying to turn it into a fight just that Earls cheated and Munster scored despite/ as a result. Glasgow should have had a penalty. That it is inarguable. Unless in your form of rugby you do not have to have the ball to be tackled.

Oh yeah, should have been a penalty but Dunbar made a stupid decision which basically stopped it being given.

So we're accepting the try should not have been allowed and that a Munster player cheated?

Well of course but that doesn't matter now does it? The scores on the board. The difference in the scoreline is down to Dunbar losing his head and Munster being that wee bit cuter.

Oh come ON. Look at it again. Do you really think Dunbar could have just stood there pleading? Tell me you would have done that. Early basically piles into him to take him over the tryline.

I think we have to accept that for some reason Irish provinces, especially Munster, are above such things as laws and the opposition should accept a pummelling or accept that cheating should be allowed

Gibbo I've never seen a thread with your "believe" comments where the team you've supported won. Please stop

Ineffable wrote:Oh come ON. Look at it again. Do you really think Dunbar could have just stood there pleading? Tell me you would have done that. Early basically piles into him to take him over the tryline.

Aye, because Dunbar grabs him! He can't argue with that when he starts it. He needs to be making an effort to get free and back into the line. Leave the refs no option instead of picking a fight.

Story Cari?     

Good game eh pal? Lovin it. Only one winner. Gives it an edge.   

123456789 wrote:
I think we have to accept that for some reason Irish provinces, especially Munster, are above such things as laws and the opposition should accept a pummelling or accept that cheating should be allowed

This is hilarious lads. I'm not even supporting Munster in this game, I want Glasgow to win... I'm pointing out you can't let them wind you up.

6-0 Glasgow nice work

Notch wrote:

Ineffable wrote:Oh come ON. Look at it again. Do you really think Dunbar could have just stood there pleading? Tell me you would have done that. Early basically piles into him to take him over the tryline.

Aye, because Dunbar grabs him! He can't argue with that when he starts it. He needs to be making an effort to get free and back into the line. Leave the refs no option instead of picking a fight.

I see your point but Earls has hold of him on the floor for at least 5 seconds, closer to 10, before that. You're saying in a semi final where these get missed quite often, you wouldn't have escalated to "get the Frak off pal" by then?

The fact is nobody noticed until they came storming out of the line fighting.

123456789 wrote:

Ineffable wrote:

Notch wrote:

123456789 wrote:

Notch wrote:

123456789 wrote:

Notch wrote:

123456789 wrote:So just to clarify, in the laws of the game if Munster cheat don't react, just accept it and move on, it's just what they do.

Well, you could try falling over and waving your arms at an exaggerated manner at the ref.

How does getting into fights help you win the game? They will try and make you lose your discipline. You have to avoid that pitfall.

I'm not saying to turn it into a fight just that Earls cheated and Munster scored despite/ as a result. Glasgow should have had a penalty. That it is inarguable. Unless in your form of rugby you do not have to have the ball to be tackled.

Oh yeah, should have been a penalty but Dunbar made a stupid decision which basically stopped it being given.

So we're accepting the try should not have been allowed and that a Munster player cheated?

Well of course but that doesn't matter now does it? The scores on the board. The difference in the scoreline is down to Dunbar losing his head and Munster being that wee bit cuter.

Oh come ON. Look at it again. Do you really think Dunbar could have just stood there pleading? Tell me you would have done that. Early basically piles into him to take him over the tryline.

I think we have to accept that for some reason Irish provinces, especially Munster, are above such things as laws and the opposition should accept a pummelling or accept that cheating should be allowed

Heard that Earls has been offered a contract as a guard in the NFL   

Btw, Russell. He's the real deal, ain't he?

But they are cheating not "winding the opposition" up, let's stop using euphemisms to describe negative play

Although I take back my general comment about Irish provinces, I get hair on the back of my necks watching Ulster in the Heineken cup and they play good rugby. Leinster are sublime on their day and a joy to watch. The less said about Munster the better. They play negative rugby under a facade of experience and the attitude of "streetwise".

Ineffable wrote:

Notch wrote:

Ineffable wrote:Oh come ON. Look at it again. Do you really think Dunbar could have just stood there pleading? Tell me you would have done that. Early basically piles into him to take him over the tryline.

Aye, because Dunbar grabs him! He can't argue with that when he starts it. He needs to be making an effort to get free and back into the line. Leave the refs no option instead of picking a fight.

I see your point but Earls has hold of him on the floor for at least 5 seconds, closer to 10, before that. You're saying in a semi final where these get missed quite often, you wouldn't have escalated to "get the Frak off pal" by then?

The fact is nobody noticed until they came storming out of the line fighting.

I think that if he doesn't react that way, he probably does get the penalty though. Fine margins.

Think if Glasgow carry this lead into half-time it's a fair reflection on the game.

Mon the weeg

123456789 wrote:But they are cheating not "winding the opposition" up, let's stop using euphemisms to describe negative play

Although I take back my general comment about Irish provinces, I get hair on the back of my necks watching Ulster in the Heineken cup and they play good rugby. Leinster are sublime on their day and a joy to watch. The less said about Munster the better. They play negative rugby under a facade of experience and the attitude of "streetwise".

Well, the two things are much the same in this case. They know what they can get away with. It's an extremely useful attribute for any team to have.

It's the main reason I would prefer to meet Glasgow in the Final than Munster, I think. Munster know how to con the more inexperienced refs.

HT 9-0 good work weege

Notch wrote:

Ineffable wrote:

Notch wrote:

Ineffable wrote:Oh come ON. Look at it again. Do you really think Dunbar could have just stood there pleading? Tell me you would have done that. Early basically piles into him to take him over the tryline.

Aye, because Dunbar grabs him! He can't argue with that when he starts it. He needs to be making an effort to get free and back into the line. Leave the refs no option instead of picking a fight.

I see your point but Earls has hold of him on the floor for at least 5 seconds, closer to 10, before that. You're saying in a semi final where these get missed quite often, you wouldn't have escalated to "get the Frak off pal" by then?

The fact is nobody noticed until they came storming out of the line fighting.

I think that if he doesn't react that way, he probably does get the penalty though. Fine margins.

Think if Glasgow carry this lead into half-time it's a fair reflection on the game.

Think if the TMO wasn't an idiot, he gets the penalty too. Fine margins.

I do get your point, I do. I just think the initial aggressor needs to be penalised in that instance or it'll continue allowing people to cheat/wind up opposition forevermore

Ineffable wrote:Gibbo I've never seen a thread with your "believe" comments where the team you've supported won. Please stop :(

Errrm Im a Leinster supporter. The best club-side the Planet has ever seen? I Believed way back in the 70's pal.Funnily enough, in the recent past, I have been mostly being havin a large five knuckle shuffle watching Blue Leinster porn run riot all over Europe.  Tanks for askin tho. I surely do appreciate it.

And your point was? :-)


Mon Warriors!

See ye lot at the Orr-Dee-SSS, by de way.

If you listen to the english commentary on S4C you'd think Glasgow were a school team who are lucky to be there....wish I had Alba

TMOs have been terrible in this league all season. Too much responsibility on their shoulders.

Ineffable. Ok. I get it.   

What I don't get though, is they'll rule out tries for a marginal pass 30m up field. But you take out and judo throw a defender and there's no repercussions???

GLove39 wrote:What I don't get though, is they'll rule out tries for a marginal pass 30m up field. But you take out and judo throw a defender and there's no repercussions???

As I said, I think the reason that wasn't given was Dunbar was rightly or wrongly perceived as starting it.

Al Kellock man... what a legend. A real presence. Proper leader.

Big Al looks older on the park than he does off it!

Here, you'll all love this! One of the guys from RTE on twitter is saying Damien Varley was caught on camera alleging to the ref that he's 'not reffing it fairly' at HT. I think that has to do with him being pulled back off the ball a few minutes from the break there.

Always the sign of a weak ref, when both sides have grievances.

The ref is beginning to look like the short, skinny, geeky kid left in charge of the bigger boys when the teacher leaves the hall in PE

Argybargy wrote:If you listen to the english commentary on S4C you'd think Glasgow were a school team who are lucky to be there....wish I had Alba

Tell you what I'm watching ALBA and Munster have delightfully allowed me to learn the word "penalty".

Gibbo   

Russell's not bad is he?

Now is your chance Glasgow

Ineffable wrote:

Argybargy wrote:If you listen to the english commentary on S4C you'd think Glasgow were a school team who are lucky to be there....wish I had Alba

Tell you what I'm watching ALBA and Munster have delightfully allowed me to learn the word "penalty".

Gibbo   

It never gets old that word  

Go go gordie

Yessssssss

 

Russell's quite good at rugby

I think it's time Glasgow "wound up" Munster a wee bit

Your time is NOW Glasgow Warriors. Don't let this chance slip.

Take it and its all the way up.

Best team in the PRO12 this year, must make the Final. Must.

Believe.

123456789 wrote:I think it's time Glasgow "wound up" Munster a wee bit

Ja. By playing rugby. They dont understand that schit.

Although that was a good reply

You know, Dougall is a real bolter for the tour of Argentina. I'd love to see him on the plane.

Munster being Munster. Once chance.. and they are back.

That's how they work.

Gotta be meaner Weegies. Bully em and run them ragged.

Pining Glasgow for in at the side. I love a ref with a sense of humour

GLove39 wrote:Pining Glasgow for in at the side. I love a ref with a sense of humour

He was right though.

Gordon Reid has go to to tour

Zebo has serious Maitlandphobia

Ridiculous reffing. Yes that throw was squint but Munster have had 4 squint with nothing given.

Shocking. Just shocking

To be fair none of Munster's would have been as important as this one and I'd rather that was given squint than lost

And another squint Munster throw goes unpunished

That's just made a mockery of the sport

So a 1 point game and a clown in charge. This isn't good for the heart