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England v New Zealand - Test 2 (14 Jun 2014)
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NEW ZEALAND v ENGLAND
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Saturday 14th June, KO 19:35 local, 08:35 BST
TEAMS
New Zealand
1: Woodcock, 2: Coles, 3: O Franks, 4: Retallick, 5: Whitelock, 6: Messam, 7: McCaw (c), 8: Kaino, 9: A Smith, 10: Cruden, 11: Savea, 12: Nonu, 13: C Smith, 14: Jane, 15: B Smith
Bench: 16: Mealamu, 17: Crockett, 18: Faumuina, 19: Tuipulotu, 20: Vito, 21: Perenara, 22: Barrett, 23: Fekitoa
England
1: Marler, 2: Webber, 3: Wilson, 4: Launchbury, 5: Parling, 6: Wood, 7: Robshaw (c), 8: Morgan, 9: Care, 10: Farrell, 11: Yarde, 12: Twelvetrees, 13: Burrell, 14: Tuilagi (what was he thinking?), 15: Brown
Bench: 16: Hartley, 17: Mullan, 18: Brookes, 19: Lawes, 20: Vunipola, 21: Youngs, 22: Burns, 23: Ashton
OFFICIALS
Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU)
ARs: Nigel Owens (WRU) & Jérôme Garcès (FFR)
TMO: George Ayoub (ARU)
NEW ZEALAND v ENGLAND
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Saturday 14th June, KO 19:35 local, 08:35 BST
TEAMS
New Zealand
1: Woodcock, 2: Coles, 3: O Franks, 4: Retallick, 5: Whitelock, 6: Messam, 7: McCaw (c), 8: Kaino, 9: A Smith, 10: Cruden, 11: Savea, 12: Nonu, 13: C Smith, 14: Jane, 15: B Smith
Bench: 16: Mealamu, 17: Crockett, 18: Faumuina, 19: Tuipulotu, 20: Vito, 21: Perenara, 22: Barrett, 23: Fekitoa
England
1: Marler, 2: Webber, 3: Wilson, 4: Launchbury, 5: Parling, 6: Wood, 7: Robshaw (c), 8: Morgan, 9: Care, 10: Farrell, 11: Yarde, 12: Twelvetrees, 13: Burrell, 14: Tuilagi (what was he thinking?), 15: Brown
Bench: 16: Hartley, 17: Mullan, 18: Brookes, 19: Lawes, 20: Vunipola, 21: Youngs, 22: Burns, 23: Ashton
OFFICIALS
Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU)
ARs: Nigel Owens (WRU) & Jérôme Garcès (FFR)
TMO: George Ayoub (ARU)
Last edited by OMc on Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:35 pm; edited 1 time in total
OMc- Posts : 81
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Re: England v New Zealand - Test 2 (14 Jun 2014)
That pass next to the touch line was forward, owens missed it.
nathan- Posts : 11033
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Re: England v New Zealand - Test 2 (14 Jun 2014)
The difference in the midfield make up is glaringly obvious. We're playing so deep and ponderous that the Kiwi drift has adapted and is just hoovering up our attacks.
Manu is far too easily double marked on the wing with that midfield. He'd got no room and two defenders waiting for him.
Manu is far too easily double marked on the wing with that midfield. He'd got no room and two defenders waiting for him.
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Re: England v New Zealand - Test 2 (14 Jun 2014)
ben smith ...fantastic!
Taylorman- Posts : 12343
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THAT SHOULD BE A YELLOW CARD, SMITH WASN'T ON HIS FEET!
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wow... Manu cut down by Ben Smith
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Why did Brown run away from Manu. He stays on his shoulder and it's a pop inside for a try.
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one of the best halves of rugby i have ever watched for intensity and ambition
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Ah Manu!! If only that had fell to Yarde.
Brilliant by Ben Smith though
Brilliant by Ben Smith though
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Must be said a pure winger would have had the pace to finish that.
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such drudgery, be glad when its over
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he isn't on his feet, he's resting on his hands!
exactly hands down!!
exactly hands down!!
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genius ben smith.woohoo.
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3 fingers for manu at half time
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like watching a wild boar getting caught by a terrier.
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Go away scratch
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trebellbobaggins wrote:Must be said a pure winger would have had the pace to finish that.
check, step inside, even dave wilson would have had it, or kicked
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GeordieFalcon wrote:Go away scratch
go away yourself.
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Taylorman wrote:genius ben smith.woohoo.
I honestly think it should of been a penalty to England. He wasn't support his weight and flopped forwards onto his hands.
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good way to end. No idea Manu...the whole field open and he does nothing. down on points but whew...do we have a second half...feterika to come on for Jane. Home ground.
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It's a cracking game and your calling it drudgery?
End the Manu trial now.
And Twelvtrees needs told what's what
End the Manu trial now.
And Twelvtrees needs told what's what
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dnt worry...we'll be there when the boks thump ya scratch.Scratch wrote:GeordieFalcon wrote:Go away scratch
go away yourself.
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Great commitment from England
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That was mighty calm unrushed defending by Ben Smith. Didn't panic just waited for the right moment to intercept
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massive positional frak up putting manu on the wing and with care's error rate and a ateral midfield england are in danger of squandering this, they are equal to nz and manu needs to get back to 13, put ashton on the wing
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Taylorman wrote:good way to end. No idea Manu...the whole field open and he does nothing. down on points but whew...do we have a second half...feterika to come on for Jane. Home ground.
Brown didn't really help with his supporting line.
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nz are the masters at getting away with infringements...mccaw round side of rucks, smith on brown, nonu obstruction (got caught), kaino round side of maul that england then fumbled. they are very clever about it and always do it on the side the ref isnt. it's a real skill and they are undoubted masters.
great half of rugby. wow. the english defense has been immense. can they keep up the effort? if care had been up to his usual best, england would be out of sight by now.
great half of rugby. wow. the english defense has been immense. can they keep up the effort? if care had been up to his usual best, england would be out of sight by now.
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nathan wrote:Taylorman wrote:genius ben smith.woohoo.
I honestly think it should of been a penalty to England. He wasn't support his weight and flopped forwards onto his hands.
Fair play where it's due mate. That was outstanding from Ben Smith.
On another note what was Brown up to running his line?
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Re: England v New Zealand - Test 2 (14 Jun 2014)
England had the lion's share of possession... think it was nearly 70-30 at one stage but it evened out towards the end of that half. ABs looking better and better with more ball. Will be interesting to see how the subs impact, who starts to tire first and who can capitalise on any errors made.
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Taylorman wrote:dnt worry...we'll be there when the boks thump ya scratch.Scratch wrote:GeordieFalcon wrote:Go away scratch
go away yourself.
fill your boots t man
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great half of rugby
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ah i take it back with the smith turnover.
He did have his hand on the floor but then lifted it when grabbing the ball.
He did have his hand on the floor but then lifted it when grabbing the ball.
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This is where the pace of players like May is handy. Really daft decision to put Manu on wing, imo.
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quinsforever wrote:nz are the masters at getting away with infringements...mccaw round side of rucks, smith on brown, nonu obstruction (got caught), kaino round side of maul that england then fumbled. they are very clever about it and always do it on the side the ref isnt. it's a real skill and they are undoubted masters.
great half of rugby. wow. the english defense has been immense. can they keep up the effort? if care had been up to his usual best, england would be out of sight by now.
here we go...and notice they were penalised. excuses already?
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Yeah jane is having a pretty poor game so far. Seemed like everything he did ended up in a scrum. England started fantastically well but faded a bit and began to kick more which suits us.
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England scrum ain't so dominant either to be fair.
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dive from Brown BTW - worth a yellow? I'd like to see a replay
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Taylorman wrote:quinsforever wrote:nz are the masters at getting away with infringements...mccaw round side of rucks, smith on brown, nonu obstruction (got caught), kaino round side of maul that england then fumbled. they are very clever about it and always do it on the side the ref isnt. it's a real skill and they are undoubted masters.
great half of rugby. wow. the english defense has been immense. can they keep up the effort? if care had been up to his usual best, england would be out of sight by now.
here we go...and notice they were penalised. excuses already?
To be fair, we do have to listen to alot of excuses from the other side too.
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Manu made the tackle easy for smith
He just ran straight at him
Much more effective at 13 for me
He just ran straight at him
Much more effective at 13 for me
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Taylorman wrote:quinsforever wrote:nz are the masters at getting away with infringements...mccaw round side of rucks, smith on brown, nonu obstruction (got caught), kaino round side of maul that england then fumbled. they are very clever about it and always do it on the side the ref isnt. it's a real skill and they are undoubted masters.
great half of rugby. wow. the english defense has been immense. can they keep up the effort? if care had been up to his usual best, england would be out of sight by now.
here we go...and notice they were penalised. excuses already?
yea to be fair they were warned in the 3rd minute by the ref that the next infringement would be a card
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Re: England v New Zealand - Test 2 (14 Jun 2014)
only caught the last 5, anyone give me an overview? Looks like a close competitive half! Didn't expect that from this first 40.
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not today you havnt.whats manus excuse? embarrassing that he tried nothing. rabbit in headlights.
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I just hope Tuilagi's failure to score is not the game play.
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Taylorman wrote:not today you havnt.whats manus excuse? embarrassing that he tried nothing. rabbit in headlights.
nearly as rabbit in headlights as richie was when yarde checked him and he fluffed his job in the 10 channel...oops
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Shocking from brown on the tuilagi break. Manu got caught by a covering tackle, wow big deal. Arguably, Our two best players from the 6n care and brown prob our two worst players this half. Didn't think 36 was as bad as you think Geordie.
All to play for, benches might decide it.
All to play for, benches might decide it.
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Sounds like Manu on the wing hasn't been perfect. Think we all saw that. I'm beginning to think Kieran Read is more important to the ABs than I realised.
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I expect MUCH more from the midfield this half. Otherwise twelvtrees day is gone and work with Eastmond.
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We're starting to fall asleep at the breakdown
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beautiful try!
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