England v New Zealand - Test 2 (14 Jun 2014)

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NEW ZEALAND v ENGLAND
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Saturday 14th June, KO 19:35 local, 08:35 BST

TEAMS
New Zealand
1: Woodcock, 2: Coles, 3: O Franks, 4: Retallick, 5: Whitelock, 6: Messam, 7: McCaw (c), 8: Kaino, 9: A Smith, 10: Cruden, 11: Savea, 12: Nonu, 13: C Smith, 14: Jane, 15: B Smith
Bench: 16: Mealamu, 17: Crockett, 18: Faumuina, 19: Tuipulotu, 20: Vito, 21: Perenara, 22: Barrett, 23: Fekitoa
England
1: Marler, 2: Webber, 3: Wilson, 4: Launchbury, 5: Parling, 6: Wood, 7: Robshaw (c), 8: Morgan, 9: Care, 10: Farrell, 11: Yarde, 12: Twelvetrees, 13: Burrell, 14: Tuilagi (what was he thinking?), 15: Brown
Bench: 16: Hartley, 17: Mullan, 18: Brookes, 19: Lawes, 20: Vunipola, 21: Youngs, 22: Burns, 23: Ashton

OFFICIALS
Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU)
ARs: Nigel Owens (WRU) & Jérôme Garcès (FFR)
TMO: George Ayoub (ARU)

Its all about the W

trebellbobaggins wrote:Well that flatters England but it was a nice try.

Flatters?

Will England ever get any credit? we were 1 point behind them despite playing badly for 20 minutes against New Zealand

Still think eng can do quite well at Home in the World Cup. Semis maybe.

With more experience they should get better.

was that the "backlash"? LOL

Manu @ 13 we score a try.

 great hands.

 I guess manu cant pass.

There's a flattering scoreline for us. Well done to the all blacks. Ran us ragged in the 2nd half. Saved our best move of the match until injury time.

As a Wales fan with a world cup group with England coming up....I am worried.

  

nathan wrote:

trebellbobaggins wrote:Well that flatters England but it was a nice try.

Flatters?

Will England ever get any credit? we were 1 point behind them despite playing badly for 20 minutes against New Zealand

Well I just felt NZ had stepped off it a bit. It did of course show a huge amount of heart and character not to be 50 points down in the end.

Does it flatter England? We largely controlled the first half. The Kiwis came alive in the second half.

Manu at centre for less than ten mins and creates the final try if the game. Mr Lancaster please take note.

3 tries apiece on NZ soil, one point the difference. Great spirit from England at the end there.

Look, a winger on the wing, it works! Well done ABs. Too good in this game. I think England really needs to do two things - look again at selection, and look at how this affects our very narrow backline. From what I saw in the second half our backline defence was woeful. That and we didn't stop Kaino et al on the gainline.

milkyboy wrote:There's a flattering scoreline for us. Well done to the all blacks. Ran us ragged in the 2nd half. Saved our best move of the match until injury time.

I think Manu at 13 and Ashton on the wing was what improved it for us

nathan wrote:One criticism against the ref is that he needs to communicate better when it's a maul for both teams. I don't think i've heard him shout it once.

We're just going sideways again at the moment.

    

Well done AB's. Some great rugby. England weren't good enough. Brown lucky to be awarded the Try in my opinion, Farrell unlucky to be carded. Good game.

What a fantastic game of rugby- All Blacks the deserved winners, but for England to fight back in a losing cause and the character they showed to stop that scoreline getting away from them was fantastic. I thought the All Blacks would hit a purple patch that England couldn't live with and they did in the first twenty minutes of the second half, but then England showed a level of character and defiance that I didn't anticipate- which all just added to a great game of rugby. Some great stuff from both sides.

Well done NZ. And England for keeping on going till the final whistle.

Twice in the last four years NZ has had winning runs halted at 16. Will it be third time lucky next weekend?

trebellbobaggins wrote:

nathan wrote:

trebellbobaggins wrote:Well that flatters England but it was a nice try.

Flatters?

Will England ever get any credit? we were 1 point behind them despite playing badly for 20 minutes against New Zealand

Well I just felt NZ had stepped off it a bit.   It did of course show a huge amount of heart and character not to be 50 points down in the end.

So what's the reason for the first half?

wales606 wrote:As a Wales fan with a world cup group with England coming up....I am worried.

  

no point worrying 606 if you want to win the WC you have to beat the best.

England resurgence will make the 6n more competitive and improve our game

So another series in the bag for NZ. I didn't think the final score would be so close with 15-20 mins to go and the ABs on the rampage. Valiant effort from the English lads to come within 2 points of a win.

formerly known as Sam wrote:Does it flatter England? We largely controlled the first half. The Kiwis came alive in the second half.

Manu at centre for less than ten mins and creates the final try if the game. Mr Lancaster please take note.

Yeah that's fair. The right midfield would have made a difference when smith was running rampant too.

Ok flattering scoreline.

But we are getting close. Midfield HUGE problen
Manu and Eastmond there for next test

Ashton on. Billy and Lawes to start.

Predictions: we will win next week

Congratulations to NZ
England showed good spirit to come back there and good fitness
NZ steamrolled us in the3rd quarter
Can't wait for next week
Manu eastmond in centre
Ashton to wing
Haskell for wood
Parling deserves a rest lawes to start attwood to bench
Billy at 8
We are not that far away,a bit naive at times

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:Nice try that. This England squad looks the goods. A poor 10-15 minutes in the 2nd half the difference here

Good from England but after the first 10 mins New Zealand just seemed to be working there way back into the game. Second half was all NZ until they stepped off the gas in the last 10 mins. Once NZ put pressure on the English set piece and defended the mauls properly the game was up

nathan wrote:

trebellbobaggins wrote:Well that flatters England but it was a nice try.

Flatters?

Will England ever get any credit? we were 1 point behind them despite playing badly for 20 minutes against New Zealand

you need more points, not credit

That 2nd half from the ABs is what we're aiming for and for 80 minutes. Pace and accuracy. Well done boys, did us proud, even though we won by less this week. And I have to say, unlucky England you guys are on the right track. I bet SL is learning from these games so next week will be the same step up from T2 from you guys I bet.

No it doesn't flatter us
The chances were there and we put them away
If Farrell nailed all his kicks we would have snuck a win

SCW talking a load of rubbish!

Congratulations to NZ. Absolutely brilliant in the first 20 mins of the second half and ran us ragged.

Savea confirmed himself as the best wing in the world and the three Smiths all showing their class.

From an England perspective we lost our chance once again due to poor execution in the opposition 22 in the first half. We had a fair few chances which a more clinical side (namely the All Blacks!) would have finished. Extremely frustrating to continually see us lose our shape in those situations.

Congratulations to NZ on the series win   

nathan wrote:SCW talking a load of rubbish!

no he isn't the guy is spot on, pick your strongest side...simple....was england's strongest side 36 at 12 and manu on the wing and you were whining about 36 all game

nathan wrote:SCW talking a load of rubbish!

 He has fallen far from grace in my view.

Funny to say that king, because I think the All Blacks also blew a few tries. Especially the one where Aaron Smith had Messam free on his right and didn't give it! Ah, it was so frustratingly unlike them! And then Conrad Smith put a pass into touch with Messam free in that corner again. Just wasn't the clinical edge we've come to expect from NZ.

But they did enough to win. One of the best test matches of the season for me as a neutral.

such defeatism amongst england fans....don't confuse england's mistakes with nz's supremacy.

Well played England, really gave it a nudge, your team defended well especially in the first half.

Congrats to the ABs for winning the Hillary shield for another year.

Well played NZ, just had a bit too much for us.

Looking at the match, first half score flattered New Zealand and the second half score flattered us.

I know it is boastful, but I think against any other team in the world we would be 2-0 up in the series after those two performances. Nobody else would be able to hit us with that 25-30 minute spell like the All Blacks did.

There is a bigger picture to look at here too. We've lost the series, but we play them FOUR times this year. If we win the last tour match and get them back to Twickenham in the Autumn, we could finish the year 2-2 against them.

Is that the Sir Edmund Hillary or Hillary Clinton Shield, Laurie?   

Only 6 points in it after two tests
It's a great series by to sides quite evenly matched
The main difference is that when the all blacks are in the ascendancy they put their chances away
They have the cutting edge
Hopefully england will as experience grows

Hillary the eighth.

both had high mountains to climb...

sickofwendy wrote:Congratulations to NZ
England showed good spirit to come back there and good fitness
NZ steamrolled us in the3rd quarter
Can't wait for next week
Manu eastmond in centre
Ashton to wing
Haskell for wood
Parling deserves a rest lawes to start attwood to bench
Billy at 8
We are not that far away,a bit naive at times

That's pretty much my thoughts...and much better kicking!

If we win by 10 next week can we have the shield?

ABs stepping off the gas when two scores clear against England on home soil? Do me a favour: about as likely as Hannibal Lector's best selling vegetarian cook book.

This was a wonderful game rightly won by the better side but it takes two teams to make a spectacle. The final score 'flatters' England insofar as the contest was over numerically well before the end at 28-20. But with only one player under 30 in the match day squad (the ABs have 9) England should yet be well short of peaking.

really shows the importance of being match-sharp. 36 had a shocker, bad kicks, decisions, lines. Care also made quite a few uncharacteristic errors. lets hope that is out of their system by next week then!

GavinDragon wrote:

wales606 wrote:As a Wales fan with a world cup group with England coming up....I am worried.

  

no point worrying 606 if you want to win the WC you have to beat the best.

England resurgence will make the 6n more competitive and improve our game

Yeah, but I'd rather we no have to do it in the group stages against England and Australia who both seem to be having a mini revival

But you lost. 1 point or 20 losing is losing.

Cumbrian wrote:Well played NZ, just had a bit too much for us.

Looking at the match, first half score flattered New Zealand and the second half score flattered us.  

I know it is boastful, but I think against any other team in the world we would be 2-0 up in the series after those two performances.  Nobody else would be able to hit us with that 25-30 minute spell like the All Blacks did.  

There is a bigger picture to look at here too.  We've lost the series, but we play them FOUR times this year.  If we win the last tour match and get them back to Twickenham in the Autumn, we could finish the year 2-2 against them.  

thats probably the best attitude to take from this. The ABs one and only goal was to improve performance through lifting the accuracy and intensity. They did this for 20 minutes very successfully. Elsewhere the match was even. England need to either match that themselves or deny the ABs that period. The beginning and end were Englands for different reasons but theyre still tracking ahead well.

Another superb effort from England to show that the gap between them and the elite isn't that great.

In the end, New Zealand's greater experience and precision carried them over the line, but England will be taking lots of positives from this game and the tour as a whole.

Can't wait for next week where England have their best chance of winning!

ABs 'stepping off the gas' two scores clear against England on home soil when they really could rub our noses in it? Come off it: about as likely as Hannibal Lector's best selling vegetarian cook book.

This was a wonderful game rightly won by the better side but it takes two teams to make a spectacle. The final score 'flatters' England insofar as the contest was over numerically well before the end at 28-20. But with only one player under 30 in the match day squad (the ABs had 9) England should yet be well short of peaking and England supporters should be cautiously optimistic about the medium to long term future.

But fair play to the ABs. No-one comes near them just now - hats off to them.

Well done NZ, only had to really stitch it on for 30 mins but when you did you showed just how far ahead of us you are! Brilliant link play and offloading game from you boys. It really annoys me how the commentators go on about you boys getting little possession as if it's a victory for the opposition, not realising it's your gameplan to use just 30-40% and make the most of it.

England well what can you say? Story of our season so far, too sloppy, too rushed in attack and losing composure at key times. Worrying the set piece was pretty poor as well today. Most of the returning players were worse then their counterparts last week, in particular Wood, Parling, Care, Farrel and the centre's were all way below the level we need.

Parling should never be playing for England again, Twelvetrees as well should have played his last game. Wood was anonymous, Haskell added so much power and operated so well on the deck, Wood didn't do any of this. Burrell's tackling was poor and he was anonymous for most of it. Care and Farrel just didn't create anything.

Bit depressing, but this is the reality, after a week of the Sky hype machine getting into gear a lot of people were getting over the top about our chances this week. We did very well to get as close as we did but there were just too many unforced errors, far far too many.

Duty281 wrote:Another superb effort from England to show that the gap between them and the elite isn't that great.

In the end, New Zealand's greater experience and precision carried them over the line, but England will be taking lots of positives from this game and the tour as a whole.

Can't wait for next week where England have their best chance of winning!

but they lost

Cumbrian wrote:

I know it is boastful, but I think against any other team in the world we would be 2-0 up in the series after those two performances.  Nobody else would be able to hit us with that 25-30 minute spell like the All Blacks did.  

 

South Africa?

This game does show that England are truely competitive but the all blacks ability to step up the pace and intensity for periods in the match without losing accuracy is unmatched anywhere in the world.