Wimbledon Mens Final - Where it ends all

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Awesome match and a fitting climax for a tournament full of upsets, its Wimbledon Final come Sunday and it will be contested by 7 time Champion Roger Federer and the No.1 Seed Novak Djokovic.


Federer

Key Strengths - Experience , Grass court movements, Serve and finally anticipation.

A-Game - Serve, volley, aggression, grass court movements, big forehands [all], backhand slices, topspins and flatout shots DTL and experience in handling points and holding nerves.

Weakness - Lack of Stamina to play a longer 5 set game [compared to his prime], Mid match focus lapse, Loops balls on backhands, slow 2nd servers [off late a big problem].

Crowd Support - Big time on, will be undoubtedly the crowd favorite , 80-20 should be expected.

Historical Achievement - First ever Men's Champion of all time [Yes all time] to win 8 Wimbledon  titles. 18 Grand Slams.   


Djokovic

Key Strengths - Return, movement, stamina, Backhand [all], Big points play.

A-Game - Backhand [all], Forehand  [all], Super Serbian Serves, Rebound Aces [Returns], Pace Variance [Slow and Fast Mix], passing shots, lobs, slices, top spins, volleys, drop shots.

Weakness - Grass court movements, lack of confidence, mid match focus lapse pressure to perform and Lack of Crowd Support

Crowd Support - Generally loves to play against the crowd, it won't be different tomorrow, 20% plus support should be expected.

Historical Achievement - Multiple Wimbledon Winner, World No. Status

H2H

In General - Federer 16-14
@Wimbledon - Federer 1-0
@GS Finals - Federer 1-0
@GS - Federer 6-5
@All Finals Djoko 5-4

Wimbledon 2014 Stats

Djoko vs Fed

Aces - 73 vs 69
DF - 9 vs 5
1st Serve in 68 vs 66
Server Broken 8 vs 1
Service Held - 93% vs 98%
Forehand Winners 53 vs 56
Backhand Winner 55 vs 31
Time on Court 15:09 vs 10:16

Prediction: Djoko is more or less determined and I guess destined to win his 2nd Wimbledon given his age , stamina and experienced coach Becker.

Djokovic can definately win this, probably good for the match that FEderer took set 1.

FedsFan wrote:

Lionel Hutz wrote:No, Djokovic is throwing everything at Federer here. It's a champions mentality but if he doesn't get something to show for it soon it has to start to hit him mentally.

I think Federer needed this first set mentally than Novak. Remember the AO final of 2013. Novak lost it on a t/b but won the final and never got broken so the guy is superhuman and a fantastic match player and even better coming from behind.

Well Djokovic's reaction supports what you're saying but my thinking is that Djokovic has had alot of disappointment since then that has to play on his mind particularly if he doesn't get something to show for his efforts

what is Federer's best returning game, has he even had a deuce let alone a BP?

Come on Fed

Djoker was serving well against Dimi too but when Dimi got going he found breaks pretty comfortably

Break Fed breakkkk backkkk

He hasn't seen much yet. Djokovic is serving very well to be fair and I don't think he'll keep it up. Just as in the semi

Djokovic has to stem the tide of all these big losses at the business end of the grandslams. It's chipping away at the legacy of a super consistent monster that should be winning more grandslams. I'd like him to finally break his bad run here.

Poor volley there

Makes up for it with that forehand

How tough is Djokovic now mentally? Time was that even going two sets to love down wouldn't result in you counting him out. But now?

Novak needs to find his first serve again

Just saw a wasted seat in the Royal box!  

Lionel Hutz wrote:How tough is Djokovic now mentally? Time was that even going two sets to love down wouldn't result in you counting him out. But now?

No, he certainly is not out of this match. I would give him this set because Federer's level has dropped now and he is down a break and to recover that break is not going to happen as Novak is just too consistent.

Perhaps they have to keep one open for the queen just in case.

Federer always had weapons but it was never what he was about. What made him devastate was how he would string them all together. He's all about his weapons now. It can be effective but it's also predictable

FedsFan wrote:

Lionel Hutz wrote:How tough is Djokovic now mentally? Time was that even going two sets to love down wouldn't result in you counting him out. But now?

No, he certainly is not out of this match. I would give him this set because Federer's level has dropped now and he is down a break and to recover that break is not going to happen as Novak is just too consistent.

Well I would never count him out after one set

Fabulous comeback by Novak so far, but Fed is letting him get away with it.

Federer should start chipping an approach to the Djokovic backhand - Novak usually puts it up rather than attempt a pass off a slice, and Fed is excellent under the high ball. Just one tactic he could try to mix it up, but he needs to do something.

It doesn't look like either Federer's backhand or forehand is quite good enough. At least one surely has to be at best level to win. Neither looks clean and powerful enough at the moment.

Hmm, 1 set all. Match hasn't exactly caught fire yet, I'm surprised.

From a Federer perspective he needs to improve his first serves in and not get into these backhand exchanges which he is losing.

Novak doesn't have to do anything here. Just hanging around is all he needs to do because Federer is more prone to let downs than Novak.

On one hand, Fed can be happy it is 1-1 even though Nole has looked the better player so far. On the other hand, he will need to find a way to get into Nole's service games. Maybe return a bit more aggressively.

W

FedsFan wrote:From a Federer perspective he needs to improve his first serves in and not get into these backhand exchanges which he is losing.

Novak doesn't have to do anything here. Just hanging around is all he needs to do because Federer is more prone to let downs than Novak.

Even in GS finals?

First set was high quality, and second wasn't that bad.

I wonder if Fed needs to throw in some attacking flat DTL backhands occassionally and also try to be more agressive with flat forehands when he gets the chance/

ChequeredJersey wrote:W

FedsFan wrote:From a Federer perspective he needs to improve his first serves in and not get into these backhand exchanges which he is losing.

Novak doesn't have to do anything here. Just hanging around is all he needs to do because Federer is more prone to let downs than Novak.

Even in GS finals?

Yes. Federer allows himself to go walkabout mentally after a set sometimes. Too many errors from Federer and he cant afford that as he isnt getting much play on Novaks serves as Novak is either throwing in an ace or an unreturnable serve

Crowd are very team Roger

Djokovic has this match by the balls.

FedsFan wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:W

FedsFan wrote:From a Federer perspective he needs to improve his first serves in and not get into these backhand exchanges which he is losing.

Novak doesn't have to do anything here. Just hanging around is all he needs to do because Federer is more prone to let downs than Novak.

Even in GS finals?

Yes. Federer allows himself to go walkabout mentally after a set sometimes. Too many errors from Federer and he cant afford that as he isnt getting much play on Novaks serves as Novak is either throwing in an ace or an unreturnable serve

If it's close though, Novak has found a myriad of ways to lose GS finals in the last 18 months

Lionel Hutz wrote:Djokovic has this match by the balls.

Nah, it's pretty much evens in play as well as score right now

Henman Bill wrote:I wonder if Fed needs to throw in some attacking flat DTL backhands occassionally and also try to be more agressive with flat forehands when he gets the chance/

I agree.  Getting into long baseline rallies cannot be good for him in more ways then one.  I think he should try to be more aggressive (not too much more, mind you), accepting that he will miss some.

Lionel Hutz wrote:Djokovic has this match by the balls.

Which match are you watching ??  

Apart from the odd couple of okay serves Roger isnt making things happen whereas Novak is. At 40-0 up Roger relaxes and before u know it its 40-30. Novak is going for everything unlike Fed

lags72 wrote:

Lionel Hutz wrote:Djokovic has this match by the balls.

Which match are you watching ??  

Probably the Tsonga one from a few days ago

Fed needs to just keep his server and attack BP.

bad luck for rog at 0-15

FedsFan wrote:Apart from the odd couple of okay serves Roger isnt making things happen whereas Novak is. At 40-0 up Roger relaxes and before u know it its 40-30.

I disagree

I just want a Roger win. It would really bookend the Fedal era for them each to hold a slam record outright.

Roger holds more than "a" slam record. I think he has most of them.   

I would rather Fed got an unassailable 18 than Rafa loses the no1

Henman Bill wrote:Roger holds more than "a" slam record. I think he has most of them.   

Think he means at a single slam

Great DTL

I know what he means...

Well Federer has upped his game this set. But it's tough to see how he makes the breakthrough. But I'm watching this with so many nerves so maybe im being pessimistic to keep my expectations low.

Good quality set 3

Federer needs to start making it happen on the Djokovic serve. The Djokovic service games are whizzing by.

I will say it again, Roger needs this more than Novak. Here we go, another hold for novak  

If it goes to a TB I think it would only be fair for Djokovic to win it. Unless Federer wins it 7-1 or something, in which case fair enough, it would be harsh for Djokovic to go 2-1 down after losing two tight tiebreaks having been arguably the better player in the match (seems to have won more points).

Why is it in the crucial stages Fed's serve goes to pieces? Is it pressure?

legendkillarV2 wrote:Federer needs to start making it happen on the Djokovic serve. The Djokovic service games are whizzing by.

At this point so are the Fed ones...