Chinnier than Price?

catchweight wrote:He probably is chinny. I cant think why else hes been matched so softly.

3fingers wrote:Were judging his chin based on a fight from the past where the participants wore larger gloves and headguards.  I think its fair to judge his chin from that fight. We aren't judging his boxing ability, just his chin.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:He probably is chinny. I cant think why else hes been matched so softly.

It was only last year that you were saying he would beak Klitschko and that Klitschko was ducking him.

Wilder may be chinny but I don't think it is fair to judge him on an amatuer fight 6 years ago.

catchweight wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:He probably is chinny. I cant think why else hes been matched so softly.

It was only last year that you were saying he would beat Klitschko and that Klitschko was ducking him.

Wilder may be chinny but I don't think it is fair to judge him on an amatuer fight 6 years ago.

No it isn't. This is just the kind of fudging you do through your Klitschko heart shaped eyes. What I sais was:

What chance would you give Wilder in this? I really think he has a good one. Klitschko is technically better in the basics department and more experienced (but older). His career has been spent facing absolute crap though, especially lately. Wilder is a monster puncher, pretty good athlete and reasonably quick. Klitschko seldom faces anyone with all of these combined attributes. I think the fight will 100% never happen because both sides wont fancy it enough but I think Wilder is all wrong for Klitschkos standard jab and grab routine and Klitschko would sh1t himself against that sort of opponent.

Note the difference.

catchweight wrote:This guy will say anything to fuel his Klitschko fetish. Next Il be quoted as saying Tyson Fury knocks Klitschko out in one round because I think he gives him a decent fight.

catchweight wrote:He wont fight a dangerous opponent like Wilder when he can feast on tailor made bums unless there is 20 million in it for him or something like that. Hes perfectly happy fighting stiffs for big money in Germany.

Klitschko would avoid him because there are easier fights out there for him Why would Klitschko go after when he can make a nice packet fighting this next joker and the winner of Fury and Chisora? Easy fights for him

they will happily avoid each other which is a shame because its the most interesting fight out there for Klitschko.

Wilder is all wrong for him. A monstrous punching, big athletic heavyweight who comes for the knockout. I think he has a good chance.

If given a choice of whoever he wants to face, Wilder would be down towards the bottom of the list I bet.

Read what I said. I said Klitschko is happy to avoid facing Wilder

catchweight wrote:I made it clear that I thought they would be happy to avoid each other. Here is a quote for example:

I dont think Klitschko would avoid him if he became mandatory challenger but he isnt going to go looking for that fight when he can make easy money against much safer opponents. Ultimately its Wilders perogative to chase the champion which I doubt he will do by the looks of things but Klitschko will be perfectly happy with that. Unless he is getting paid silly money then his voluntary defences usually amount to the absolute pits. Mormeck and Pianeta for example. A few easy million for less than a work out.

catchweight wrote:

He wont fight a dangerous opponent like Wilder when he can feast on tailor made bums unless there is 20 million in it for him or something like that. Hes perfectly happy fighting stiffs for big money in Germany.

Klitschko would avoid him because there are easier fights out there for him Why would Klitschko go after when he can make a nice packet fighting this next joker and the winner of Fury and Chisora? Easy fights for him

they will happily avoid each other which is a shame because its the most interesting fight out there for Klitschko.

Wilder is all wrong for him. A monstrous punching, big athletic heavyweight who comes for the knockout. I think he has a good chance.

If given a choice of whoever he wants to face, Wilder would be down towards the bottom of the list I bet.

Read what I said. I said Klitschko is happy to avoid facing Wilder

catchweight wrote:Its not that hard to follow. They wont want to fight each other, because their are safer fights each of them can take.

If Klitschko wanted to face Wilder, he would have at least made an offer. I mean hes managed to make an offer to just about every other sparring partner the division has to offer.

If Klitschko has a choice between fighting Pineta for 2 million or Wilder for 4 million I bet firmly he goes for Mormeck.

The fact that Wilder doesn't want the fight either is a key part of the equation.

catchweight wrote:No it really isn't. You are determined to hammer a square peg into a round hole. All you see is the word "avoided" and you decide to fudge that interpretation to try and make it sound like I am saying Klitschko is ducking Wilder systematically without ever including the second relevant part that Wilder isn't interested in the fight either.

Klitschko isn't ducking Wilder in the way you keep trying to insinuate. Namely that hes running scared of Wilder who has been actively pursuing the fight. This is your fudging trying to twist what I am saying.

I am saying Wilder doesn't want the fight. Klitschko doesn't want the fight. And they are both happy with things that way. Wilder can go off and fight for an easier world title and Klitschko can go off and fight a less dangerous opponent.

I stated, explicitly, that if Wilder became mandatory for Klitschkos title then I thought Klitschko would face him. Another point you persist in ignoring.

I don't think I can I make it plainer than that.

Catchweight wrote:He wont fight a dangerous opponent like Wilder when he can feast on tailor made bums unless there is 20 million in it for him or something like that. Hes perfectly happy fighting stiffs for big money in Germany.

Klitschko would avoid him because there are easier fights out there for him Why would Klitschko go after when he can make a nice packet fighting this next joker and the winner of Fury and Chisora? Easy fights for him

they will happily avoid each other which is a shame because its the most interesting fight out there for Klitschko.

Wilder is all wrong for him. A monstrous punching, big athletic heavyweight who comes for the knockout. I think he has a good chance.

If given a choice of whoever he wants to face, Wilder would be down towards the bottom of the list I bet.

Read what I said. I said Klitschko is happy to avoid facing Wilder

catchweight wrote:Yes. Have you managed to grasp it yet?

catchweight wrote:So you haven't then. Despite the pages worth explanation regarding my position on the quote your policy you will just keep posting the same bit of quotation over and over and ignore everything contrary to in an effort to misrepresent the gist of the point being made.

Klitschko is happy to "avoid" Wilder. Lets rephrase this then to capture the essence of the point.

Klitschko "would prefer not to fight" Wilder.

or

Klitschko "would rather face other opponents" than Wilder.

Klitschko "if given the choice of opponent would have Wilder far down the list"

And lets not forget the other stuff you keep leaving out and deliberately ignoring such as Klitschko would face Wilder if Wilder was mandatory. Which, as logic would dictate, would not be "avoiding" Wilder.

If you cant grasp it after that then you are either thick as a plank or on the wind up. I can never tell with you.

catchweight wrote:Yes I think that Klitschko would opt to take less money to fight a zero risk opponent than accept more money to fight a more dangerous opponent.  

catchweight wrote:His voluntary defences are lowest common denominator stuff. Mormeck, Pineta, Wach and these types. I think he targets opponents who he knows offer zero threat and haven't a hope of working themselves into contention to get a shot. So he can offer them small money, dictate all sorts of terms and know that they will pretty much accept them because its the best offer they are going to get. Klitschko gets a multi million pound sparring session and the opponent takes his money and disappears. Klitschko fights his mandatories when he has to and then when its up to him he goes for zero threat opponents. I refuse to believe that he took on the likes of Mormeck or Pineta because they were all that was available or he was seeking out a challenge. They were just easy pay day fights indicative of his way of thinking.  

The exceptions are when there is a bumper pay out on the table that make it worth his while to take on a bit of extra risk. But usually he only fights one of the better heavyweights when he has to.

catchweight wrote:His voluntary defences are lowest common denominator stuff. Mormeck, Pineta, Wach and these types. I think he targets opponents who he knows offer zero threat and haven't a hope of working themselves into contention to get a shot. So he can offer them small money, dictate all sorts of terms and know that they will pretty much accept them because its the best offer they are going to get. Klitschko gets a multi million pound sparring session and the opponent takes his money and disappears. Klitschko fights his mandatories when he has to and then when its up to him he goes for zero threat opponents. I refuse to believe that he took on the likes of Mormeck or Pineta because they were all that was available or he was seeking out a challenge. They were just easy pay day fights indicative of his way of thinking.  

The exceptions are when there is a bumper pay out on the table that make it worth his while to take on a bit of extra risk. But usually he only fights one of the better heavyweights when he has to.

catchweight wrote:No. I said he if there was big money or a bumper pay day in it for Klitschko then he would consider an opponent like Wilder. But if its small (relatively speaking) difference then he will opt for the easy option. He would rather take a guaranteed 2million against Pineta than 4 million against Wilder. If you put big money on the table then he would probably consider Wilder and take the bigger risk.

He chugs along and faces his manadatories when hes obligated to but when he has own choice in between he targets dregs. Like Mormeck, Pineta and Wach. I mean come on. To me that says "Look Im not going to take on an opponent any tougher than I have to and if given the choice Im going to target guys that pose zero risk".