Leinster v Munster

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

Sin é wrote:

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:just on a side note from leinster being awful, i think munster need to take alot of credit for the victory. dispite 4 yellow cards (which they will have to look at) they completely dismantled leinster.

Axel's take on the Yellow Cards - BJ's and Varley's were wrong calls.

thescore.ie wrote:Asked for his view of the refereeing of the encounter, Foley explained that he disagreed with the decisions surrounding Varley and Botha’s exits.

“I thought what Eoin Reddan did was petulant in terms of throwing the ball off Damien Varley. He had the opportunity to pass it to a Leinster player. Other referees would have viewed that the same, it’s something that shouldn’t be in the game of rugby.

   We’ve got to make sure that we don’t get this crossover with soccer, fellas diving and milking penalties. I think it’s a physical game and a game that needs to be managed.

“You look at that yellow card, it’s not a yellow card. I don’t think it would have been a try. If it was a try-scoring thing, I would have agreed with a yellow card, but it was out of the 22.

“BJ’s thing is a point of law. If there’s no ruck formed, which there wasn’t, he’s entitled to play the ball from that direction within the laws of the game. I know it looks horrible, it looks wrong, but it’s actually a rule in the game of rugby. BJ was entitled to do that.

“BJ knows the rules, he’s a World Cup winner, he knows what he’s entitled to do there. There was no ruck called, so he’s entitled to immediately play the ball there.”

http://www.thescore.ie/anthony-foley-munster-leinster-referee-1709066-Oct2014/

He thought Dave Foley's was deserved, but ref was inconsistent as similar situation arose with Leinster pulling down a maul.

The other area where Leinster are masters off is in terms of the "Not rolling away" penalty. Redden is always throwing a hissy fit at the breakdown and the knee dropped (not to hurt but to stop them from moving away) on the tackling player by a Leinster forward is a particular favourite of theirs.

for me if you can get away with why not.

Sin é wrote:

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:just on a side note from leinster being awful, i think munster need to take alot of credit for the victory. dispite 4 yellow cards (which they will have to look at) they completely dismantled leinster.

Axel's take on the Yellow Cards - BJ's and Varley's were wrong calls.

thescore.ie wrote:Asked for his view of the refereeing of the encounter, Foley explained that he disagreed with the decisions surrounding Varley and Botha’s exits.

“I thought what Eoin Reddan did was petulant in terms of throwing the ball off Damien Varley. He had the opportunity to pass it to a Leinster player. Other referees would have viewed that the same, it’s something that shouldn’t be in the game of rugby.

   We’ve got to make sure that we don’t get this crossover with soccer, fellas diving and milking penalties. I think it’s a physical game and a game that needs to be managed.

“You look at that yellow card, it’s not a yellow card. I don’t think it would have been a try. If it was a try-scoring thing, I would have agreed with a yellow card, but it was out of the 22.

“BJ’s thing is a point of law. If there’s no ruck formed, which there wasn’t, he’s entitled to play the ball from that direction within the laws of the game. I know it looks horrible, it looks wrong, but it’s actually a rule in the game of rugby. BJ was entitled to do that.

“BJ knows the rules, he’s a World Cup winner, he knows what he’s entitled to do there. There was no ruck called, so he’s entitled to immediately play the ball there.”

http://www.thescore.ie/anthony-foley-munster-leinster-referee-1709066-Oct2014/

He thought Dave Foley's was deserved, but ref was inconsistent as similar situation arose with Leinster pulling down a maul.

ME-109 wrote:

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

Sin é wrote:

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:just on a side note from leinster being awful, i think munster need to take alot of credit for the victory. dispite 4 yellow cards (which they will have to look at) they completely dismantled leinster.

Axel's take on the Yellow Cards - BJ's and Varley's were wrong calls.

thescore.ie wrote:Asked for his view of the refereeing of the encounter, Foley explained that he disagreed with the decisions surrounding Varley and Botha’s exits.

“I thought what Eoin Reddan did was petulant in terms of throwing the ball off Damien Varley. He had the opportunity to pass it to a Leinster player. Other referees would have viewed that the same, it’s something that shouldn’t be in the game of rugby.

   We’ve got to make sure that we don’t get this crossover with soccer, fellas diving and milking penalties. I think it’s a physical game and a game that needs to be managed.

“You look at that yellow card, it’s not a yellow card. I don’t think it would have been a try. If it was a try-scoring thing, I would have agreed with a yellow card, but it was out of the 22.

“BJ’s thing is a point of law. If there’s no ruck formed, which there wasn’t, he’s entitled to play the ball from that direction within the laws of the game. I know it looks horrible, it looks wrong, but it’s actually a rule in the game of rugby. BJ was entitled to do that.

“BJ knows the rules, he’s a World Cup winner, he knows what he’s entitled to do there. There was no ruck called, so he’s entitled to immediately play the ball there.”

http://www.thescore.ie/anthony-foley-munster-leinster-referee-1709066-Oct2014/

He thought Dave Foley's was deserved, but ref was inconsistent as similar situation arose with Leinster pulling down a maul.

The other area where Leinster are masters off is in terms of the "Not rolling away" penalty. Redden is always throwing a hissy fit at the breakdown and the knee dropped (not to hurt but to stop them from moving away) on the tackling player by a Leinster forward is a particular favourite of theirs.

for me if you can get away with why not.

No argument here, in the run up to Varleys yellow Leinster got two penalties doing the exact same thing. Why not indeed but its a bit soccerish no?

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

Sin é wrote:

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:just on a side note from leinster being awful, i think munster need to take alot of credit for the victory. dispite 4 yellow cards (which they will have to look at) they completely dismantled leinster.

Axel's take on the Yellow Cards - BJ's and Varley's were wrong calls.

thescore.ie wrote:Asked for his view of the refereeing of the encounter, Foley explained that he disagreed with the decisions surrounding Varley and Botha’s exits.

“I thought what Eoin Reddan did was petulant in terms of throwing the ball off Damien Varley. He had the opportunity to pass it to a Leinster player. Other referees would have viewed that the same, it’s something that shouldn’t be in the game of rugby.

   We’ve got to make sure that we don’t get this crossover with soccer, fellas diving and milking penalties. I think it’s a physical game and a game that needs to be managed.

“You look at that yellow card, it’s not a yellow card. I don’t think it would have been a try. If it was a try-scoring thing, I would have agreed with a yellow card, but it was out of the 22.

“BJ’s thing is a point of law. If there’s no ruck formed, which there wasn’t, he’s entitled to play the ball from that direction within the laws of the game. I know it looks horrible, it looks wrong, but it’s actually a rule in the game of rugby. BJ was entitled to do that.

“BJ knows the rules, he’s a World Cup winner, he knows what he’s entitled to do there. There was no ruck called, so he’s entitled to immediately play the ball there.”

http://www.thescore.ie/anthony-foley-munster-leinster-referee-1709066-Oct2014/

He thought Dave Foley's was deserved, but ref was inconsistent as similar situation arose with Leinster pulling down a maul.

The other area where Leinster are masters off is in terms of the "Not rolling away" penalty. Redden is always throwing a hissy fit at the breakdown and the knee dropped (not to hurt but to stop them from moving away) on the tackling player by a Leinster forward is a particular favourite of theirs.

for me if you can get away with why not.

No argument here, in the run up to Varleys yellow Leinster got two penalties doing the exact same thing. Why not indeed but its a bit soccerish no?

i dont think so. there are loads of examples in rugby, Neil Back, Quinny vs Toulouse in 08!

Submachine wrote:Look at what a rugby ref has to be aware of at say a ruck v a soccer ref making a decision on a tackle. Is the tackle legal, did he roll away, did the first man in have any involvement in the tackle, if so did he release before going back in, did tackled player release the ball in good time, did counter ruck use arms, come in from the side, join from behind the back foot, are those not involved behind the back foot? And at least a ruck is fairly stationary, trying to police all of that in a maul is much more difficult.
I think most refs get far to0 much stick on here and elsewhere. It is an extremely difficult job. They all make mistakes but the ones who tend to get the plaudits are the good communicators who can have a bit of banter with the players. The more regimented, stickler types like Alain Rolland get stick but he was still a great ref.
What about Nigel Owens, he makes just as many mistakes as the next ref?  Yeah but Nigel Owens has got personality. Personality goes a long way.

MunsterMac wrote:Let's see if they can reproduce it on Friday against the Scarlets.

Getting up for and beating an under-strength Leinster is one thing but what most Munster supporters want is a consistent level of intensity and performance.

MunsterMac wrote:Fine but it's not against the Leinsters and Toulouses of this world in front of large crowds I'll be judging Munster this season.

It's against the lesser teams in half empty stadia.

We all know how well they can play when the fit takes them and they're 'up for it'.

It's just as a season ticket paying out my hard earned cash to follow them I want them to be 'up for it' all the time.