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Post by LondonTiger Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:35 am

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Fri 19th Dec
19:45        SALE SHARKS  v   EXETER CHIEFS AJ Bell Stadium BT Sport
The weekend opens with 6th hosting 3rd. In the last two rounds, Sale have had two good wins - both on the road. However any momentum they may have built will have dissipated following back to back defeats to Saracens in the ERCC. Meanwhile the Chiefs have been extending their winning run (last beaten mid October by Bayonne) in the Challenge Cup, managing to rest and rotate players. While Chiefs have a nice gap between them and Sarries/Tigers, you do feel that this is the kind of game that clubs with play-off ambitions have to be winning. Sale will not make it easy for them.

Sat 20th Dec
15:00        HARLEQUINS  v   NEWCASTLE FALCONS Twickenham Stoop
After some deeply disappointing performances in the AP, Quins fans will have been heartened by the two matches with Leinster. These games have however come at a cost with key players facing lengthy spells out. Falcons took some decent domestic form into the Challenge Cup and a mainly second string side performed really well against a more experienced Stade Francais team.  Whilst the table shows these two paired together at 9/10 Quins look to have too much class. However should they not perform close to their best, Falcons will make life very uncomfortable and could easily leave Twickenham with a win.

15:00        SARACENS  v   LONDON WELSH Allianz Park
Sarries started the season scoring tries for fun. Since the fantastic match with Clermont though, things have been more of a grind. Welsh are the ideal opponents for a team looking to rebuild their confidence.

15:15        NORTHAMPTON SAINTS  v   LEICESTER TIGERS Franklin's Gardens BT Sport
These have, in recent years, been magnificent, bruising and controversial matches. Saints are in the much better form, and are displaying both power and verve. Tigers set piece is going well, defence is much improved but have no attacking game. Should be an easy win for Saints - but I live in hope.

17:30        GLOUCESTER RUGBY  v   BATH RUGBY Kingsholm BT Sport
Glaws will be looking to return to winning ways against their local rivals, with HKC desperate to regain the crowing rights. While Bath look stronger on paper they have not looked the same team away from home. Mike Ford has some key decisions to make at 12, wing, FB and most importantly front row. Bath's reserve front row went really well during the AIs and outshone their more illustrious counterparts in the fixtures with Castres.

Sun 21st Dec
14:00       WASPS  v   LONDON IRISH Ricoh Arena BT Sport
Wasps first fixture in Coventry. 27k fans. Wasps in stunning form. Could be a classic.

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Post by nathan Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:16 am

Haven't much hope of a tigers win unless we get lucky. We're starting to pick a bit of steam up but as mentioned above, our attack isn't good enough

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:02 am

I actually fancy us to get something out of this one.

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Post by HongKongCherry Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:21 am

Is my desperation that obvious?! Having been spoilt with the run of 11 wins out of 12 I'm getting my just desserts from all the Bath supporters I know. We're underdogs but I'm hoping sheer passion will get us over the line, as I don't fancy another 12 months of humility Shocked
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Post by yappysnap Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:30 am

and could easily leave Twickenham with a win.



Say whaaaaaaat?!

Playing at out worst and with Nev and Robshaw out we'll still beat those yocals

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Post by yappysnap Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:32 am

Can not wait for that Wasps game. It could be epic

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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:54 am

Excited and nervous about our game against Wasps in equal measure. On paper they should win, they are in good form, but we've improved over the last fortnight from where we were against Sale, Bath and Gloucester, and if we put the right team out and take our chances who knows. Agree with others, it could well be a classic, just gutted that i can't go as we are away for our Christmas break this weekend.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:49 am

yappysnap wrote:
and could easily leave Twickenham with a win.



Say whaaaaaaat?!

Playing at out worst and with Nev and Robshaw out we'll still beat those yocals

Lets hope for your sake you're right Yappy. We're going into this one with confidence so I'm expecting a good showing, I'd take a LBP.

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Post by doctor_grey Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:45 am

Time to get my bad predictions going right from the first match:

SALE SHARKS  v   EXETER CHIEFS:  First, let me say how much I admire Exe.  Second, i think Sale have more than a punchers chance to squeak this one out.  They were not so bad the last couple of weeks.  Sale and Cippy by 3 at home.  

HARLEQUINS  v   NEWCASTLE FALCONS:  I think if this match was played up norf, I might actually pick Newcastle.  I think they are ripe for an upset and Quins, who played tough, tough Rugby for the last two weeks, may have shot their quiver full of arrows at Leinster.  Not sure what is left in their tank.  But, methinks, they have just enough here.  Quins by a nervous 1.

SARACENS  v   LONDON WELSH:  Time for the biggest upset in Premiership history!   London Welsh were honing their skills against Edinburgh and are now a blade sharpened to the finest cutting edge and ready to rumble.  Fluidity, dynamism, aggression.   London Welsh will...............lose by about 50.  

GLOUCESTER RUGBY  v   BATH RUGBY:  Sooner or later that new boy in the centres for Bath will explode on the scene.  Won't happen against Gloucester this week, though.  This could be a match decided by mental toughness.  Or it could be home field.  Sooner or later Gloucester will put a whole match together. I choose..........Gloucester by 7.  

WASPS  v   LONDON IRISH:  The ultimate worst match to play against Wasps is this one.  New city, new stadium, a boat-load of supporters, adrenalin, excitement.  Almost no team could go in there and win this one.  Wasps are playing pretty good so this is the lock of thr week.  Wasps, starting fast, sleeping in the middle third, waking up at the end to win by about 20.  

Did I forget any matches?  Oh yes, the Bane of any Saints fan's existence.   Leicester.  The team that rises from the near dead every darned season.  Leicester.  The team that made Castrogiovanni so teary-eyed and wistful.  hehehe.
NORTHAMPTON SAINTS  v   LEICESTER TIGERS:  
LondonTiger wrote:Should be an easy win for Saints
I thought taking narcotics was illegal in this country.  

The best time to play either Saints or Tigers is the week after one of these matches.  Thank goodness this is at home for us.  Saints by a tough bloody 3 - a clutch penalty by the best 10 in the Midlands, England, and the world (no, I don't mean Freddie Burns).

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Post by LondonTiger Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:14 am

Sale Sharks:
Haley; Addison, Leota, Tuitupou, Cueto; Cipriani, Cusiter; Lewis-Roberts, Jones, Cobilas; Mills, Hines; Braid (capt), Lund, Beaumont.
Replacements: Mamukashvili, Harrison, Flynn, Ostrikov, Seymour, Cliff, Ford, Jennings.


Exeter Chiefs:
Dollman; Nowell, Slade, Whitten, Jess; Steenson, Chudley; Moon, Cowan-Dickie, Low; Mumm (capt), Welch; Ewers, White, Waldrom.
Replacements: Yeandle, Rimmer, Brown, Lees, Horstmann, Thomas, Hill, Hughes.

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Post by Welly Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:10 pm

Bai is fully fit for the weekend so do we start him @ 13 or on the bench. He creates that bosh in the middle but also has the distribution of a 10. But defensively he could be found out of place depending how much Blake has had to work with him whilst he has been fit enough.

 Personally I would like to see a team similar to this
 1) Ayerza, 2) Youngs, 3) Cole
 4) Kitchener, 5) Parling
 6) Gibson, 7) Salvi, 8) Crane
 9) Youngs, 10) Williams
12) Allen, 13) Bai
11) Scully, 14) Goneva, 15) Tait

Bench: 16) Leo, 17) Rizzo, 18) Balmain, 19) De Cheves, 20) Croft/Barieri, 21) Harrison, 22) Burns, 23) Benjamin/Smith

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Post by LondonTiger Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:03 pm

I have been singularly unimpressed by what I have seen of Bai and Loamanu so far. Limited viewings I know, but not impressed.

Goneva is a complete defensive liability at 13 and has to stay on the Wing - and get the hell out of the FBs way when he is running in to take the high ball. so I would rather see smith or Thompstone at 13 - heck even Tait with Bell at 15 - than any of the PI guys until Manu (who of course is not PI but Lericester bred Wink )is fit.

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Post by Welly Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:34 pm

We have had Bai for 1 game in the AP.

 Loamanu has played 1 game against the barbarians and he looked good but very rusty.

 Don't know how you can judge them at all.

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Post by beshocked Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:48 pm

Not being very adventurous but I would say 5 home wins and Bath to win.

Bananaman in particular impressed for Bath - it wasn't just the 3 tries though getting tries is of course important but he seemed to show a lot of hunger.

Bath do look dangerous. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a Bath vs Saints AP final going from current games this season.


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Was it just me who thought that Allen was woeful vs Toulon? Not sure I would want to start him!

How long is Manu out for?

For Saracens game against LW I hope they start Itoje in the pack and Tompkins at 13 - wishful thinking but I want to see what they can do.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:51 pm

No Beschocked you were not. Allen has been unimpressive so far this season. Against Saints isn't the time to parachute in an academy player though.

Manu us due back next month as is Mulipola.

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Post by Bathman_in_London Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:00 pm

I'd go for home wins except for my heart telling me Bath will scrap through another ill tempered derby at Glaws and Exeter by a score up in Manchester.

Sarries vs Welsh could be embarrassing for all concerned, they should probably just call off the game once the 50 point barrier is broken.

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Post by Welly Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:00 pm

Would like to see Roberts get a look @ 12 sometime this season for a game or 2. 

Manu + Mulipola 3-4 weeks

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Post by beshocked Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:04 pm

Sam agree with that.

Manu is as important to Leicester as Barritt is to Saracens - they both boost their clubs in their own ways. I mention Barritt as he is an important centre also missing.

It does leave a hole in the midfield which is difficult to fill.

You're right - parachuting an academy player against Saints away is not ideal but at some point players need to be dropped if they aren't performing.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:11 pm

I'd still like to see Bryant given another go at 12. Sale threw a lot down his channel in the LV in that first half and he didn't miss a tackle. Made good decisions ball in hand as well, including a great 50m grubber. Add a bit more thought to our back line play as at the minute we're but basic in our midfield attack.

Our options at 12 are limited with Bai only just back from injury and Pohe off form. Hence the discussion over whether a freshly recruited centre from the championship or a 20 year old fly half should be moulded into our next 12.

Manu is a massive loss, with no Loamano either we have no real go to crash option to get us over the gain line and that has limited our attacking momentum.

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Post by Welly Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:12 pm

Big shame Hepetema is injured

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Post by Welly Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:13 pm

NORTHAMPTON SAINTS TEAM TO PLAY LEICESTER
Aviva Premiership Round 10
Franklin’s Gardens
Saturday, December 20th, 2014
Kick off 3:15pm
15 James WILSON
14 Ken PISI
13 Tom STEPHENSON
12 Luther BURRELL
11 George NORTH
10 Stephen MYLER
9 Kahn FOTUALI’I
1 Alex WALLER
2 Dylan HARTLEY (capt)
3 Salesi MA’AFU
4 Courtney LAWES
5 Christian DAY
6 Calum CLARK
7 Tom WOOD
8 Samu MANOA

Replacements
16 Mike HAYWOOD
17 Ethan WALLER
18 Gareth DENMAN
19 Sam DICKINSON
20 Phil DOWSON
21 Lee DICKSON
22 Jamie ELLIOTT
23 Ben FODEN

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:13 pm

channels.

Leicester Tigers (v Northampton Saints, away, Saturday 3.15pm)
15 Mathew Tait
14 Blaine Scully
13 Matt Smith 
12 Anthony Allen
11 Vereniki Goneva
10 Owen Williams
9 Ben Youngs (c)
1 Marcos Ayerza
2 Tom Youngs
3 Dan Cole
4 Graham Kitchener
5 Geoff Parling
6 Tom Croft
7 Julian Salvi
8 Jordan Crane

Replacements
16 Leonardo Ghiraldini
18 Michele Rizzo
17 Fraser Balmain
19 Sebastian De Chaves
20 Robert Barbieri
21 Sam Harrison
22 Freddie Burns
23 Miles Benjamin 

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Post by Welly Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:14 pm

Good to see Croft back but shame no space for Gibson

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Post by beshocked Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:16 pm

Saracens team to face London Welsh

15 Ben Ransom; 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Marcelo Bosch, 12 Duncan Taylor, 11 Chris Wyles; 10 Owen Farrell, 9 Neil De Kock; 1 Mako Vunipola, 2 Brett Sharman, 3 James Johnston, 4 George Kruis, 5 Jim Hamilton, 6 Jackson Wray, 7 Kelly Brown, 8 Ernst Joubert ©.

Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Richard Barrington, 18 Petrus Du Plessis, 19 Mouritz Botha, 20 Billy Vunipola, 21 Richard Wigglesworth, 22 Charlie Hodgson, 23 Nick Tompkins.


Very disappointing selection. Itoje not even in the 23 and Tompkins only on the bench.

If you don't start these players against LW at home then when do you?

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Post by Welly Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:18 pm

Going to be a big clash in the forwards.

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Post by Bathman_in_London Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:19 pm

Bath team:

15. Anthony Watson
14. Semesa Rokoduguni
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. Kyle Eastmond
11. Matt Banahan
10. George Ford
9. Chris Cook
1. Paul James
2. Ross Batty
3. David Wilson
4. Stuart Hooper ( c )
5. Dominic Day
6. Alafoti Fa'osiliva
7. Francois Louw
8. Leroy Houston

Replacements

16. Rob Webber
17. Nick Auterac
18. Henry Thomas
19. Matt Garvey
20. Carl Fearns
21. Micky Young
22. Ollie Devoto
23. Sam Burgess


Pretty decent team that, Garvey and Fearns will add some serious bulk when they come on.

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:25 pm

Falcons for Quins - Saturday

1 Rob Vickers
2 George McGuigan
3 Scott Wilson
4 Calum Green
5 Dom Barrow
6 Mark Wilson
7 Will Welch (C)
8 Ally Hogg

9 Mike Blair
10 Tom Catterick
11 Alex Tuilagi
12 JP Socino
13 Adam Powell
14 Sinotti Sinotti
15 Simon Hammersley

16 Scott Lawson
17 Eric Fry
18 Mark Irving
19 Kane Thompson
20 Josh Furno
21 Ruki Tipuna
22 Andy Tuilagi
23 Noah Cato

Very disappointed to see Will Welch back over Andy Saull. But nice to see Catterick continue at 10.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:21 am

Can't see the scrum going too well with Wilson but nice to Catterick at 10

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Post by HongKongCherry Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:04 am

Glaws
Steve McColl; Charlie Sharples, Henry Purdy, Billy Twelvetrees (capt), Jonny May; James Hook, Greig Laidlaw; Yann Thomas, Richard Hibbard, John Afoa; Tom Savage, Tom Palmer; Sione Kalamafoni, Matt Kvesic, Ross Moriarty

Replacements:
Darren Dawidiuk, Nick Wood, Sila Puafisi, James Hudson, Elliott Stooke, Dan Robson, Mark Atkinson, David Halaifonua

Glaws by 30 boxing
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Post by LondonTiger Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:39 am

Good win for Sale

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Post by Hound of Harrow Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:50 am

Wasps team to play London Irish at the Ricoh Arena on Sunday 21 December, KO 2pm.

15. Andrea Masi
14. Christian Wade
13. Elliot Daly
12. Chris Bell
11. Sailosi Tagicakibau
10. Andy Goode
9. Joe Simpson
1. Matt Mullan
2. Edd Shervington
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Bradley Davies
5. James Gaskell
6. Ashley Johnson
7. James Haskell (C)
8. Nathan Hughes

Replacements 
16. Tom Lindsay
17. Simon McIntyre
18. Lorenzo Cittadini
19. Kearnan Myall
20. Sam Jones
21. Charlie Davies
22. Alex Lozowski
23. Rob Miller


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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:52 am

Steve Diamond has done a great job at Sale. They don't look half the side without Cipriani on the pitch though, he's really integrated with the culture up there. If he leaves it'll be a struggle to replace him.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:38 pm

Saints and Tigers 

NORTHAMPTONLEICESTER
James Wilson15FBMathew Tait
Ken Pisi14WBlaine Scully
Tom Stephenson13CMatt Smith
Luther Burrell12CAnthony Allen
George North11WVereniki Goneva
Stephen Myler10FHOwen Williams
Kahn Fotuali'i9SHBen Youngs
Alex Waller1PMarcos Ayerza
Dylan Hartley2HTom Youngs
Salesi Ma'afu3PDan Cole
Courtney Lawes4LGraham Kitchener
Christian Day5LGeoff Parling
Calum Clark6FTom Croft
Tom Wood7FJulian Salvi
Samu Manoa8N8Jordan Crane
ReplacementsReplacements
Mike Haywood16Leonardo Ghiraldini
Ethan Waller17Michele Rizzo
Gareth Denman18Fraser Balmain
Sam Dickinson19Sebastian de Chaves
Phil Dowson20Robert Barbieri
Lee Dickson21Sam Harrison
Jamie Elliott22Freddie Burns
Ben Foden23Miles Benjamin

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:06 am

Strong start from Falcons. Tuilagi should have finished in the corner after Sinoti went straight through the middle of Quins defence.

Wilson pinged at first scrum, hope that's not a sign

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Post by mckay1402 Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:37 am

Got to be red
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Post by HammerofThunor Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:38 am

15 mins in and Hartley has a red. oh dear.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:39 am

What for?

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Post by HammerofThunor Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:41 am

Smith grabbed him at a ruck and wouldn't let got. Hartley lashed out to free himself and the effect was an upward elbow to Smith's face. JP was going to go with a yellow and he felt Hartley was trying to 'push' Smith away but TMO (Davie) said he felt it was an elbow to the face.

Edit: it looked really bad in slo-mo from one angle, but all the rest looked pretty weak. Understand the red, could have understood if just a yellow.

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Post by Geordie Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:50 am

Ah Tuilagi did you spill that?

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Post by Geordie Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:50 am

Ah that's a try

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Post by Geordie Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:52 am

Get in. And to be honest the possession and territory we've had we needed to turn it into points.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:52 am

Some lovely stuff again GF, just overplaying a bit too much at times.

3-7 HT, well deserved lead for the Falcons.

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Post by Geordie Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:59 am

Absolutely...playing very well keeping good possession.

Really think Green has been a good signing...an old fashioned tough lock forward who just gets stuck in.

How do you think the front row has gone.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:01 am

Ok I guess, both TH's have struggled a little.

Agree on Green, he's got better through the season and is nailed on now.

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Post by HammerofThunor Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:03 am

Tom croft yellow for a (marginal) high tackle as it was the second in the half (but really because Saints got a red after 16 mins)

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Post by HammerofThunor Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:04 am

Saints only down 1 point 6-7 at half time.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:05 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:What for?

For being an eejit. Again!
Gloucester v Bath next. Marvelous.

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Post by Geordie Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:05 am

Yeah its still an area for us to work on.

McGuigan is really showing himself well in the loose. Once he works on his tight and set piece stuff he will be a very good hooker for us.

Without getting carried away its just nice to see us actually causing teams problems now and not just the team that is an easy bonus point win.

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Post by Geordie Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:08 am

ALso I have been critical of ALex Tuilagis signing...but to be fair he's looking fitter and getting involved now. Not the player of old but he still puts the fear in players when he gets that ball.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:16 am

He's gave Yarde a real game, impressive so far. Liking Catterick at 10, his distribution is excellent

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