Carl Froch vs JC Chavez - Close to being agreed - Vegas

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“We’re nearly there, dare I say it, with the Chavez fight in Vegas which I’ve talked about since knocking out Groves,” Froch told Sky Sports News HQ.

“I’m very optimistic that Eddie Hearn will be making an announcement very soon.

“That’s the fight that takes me to Las Vegas, it’s the fight I’ve been calling out for since November 2013 so it’s dragged on a fair while. Between beating Mikkel Kessler and fighting Chavez I’ve obviously had the two epic fights with Groves.

“Chavez is a great fighter, one loss in 51 fights, and he’s coming up to a weight he’ll be more comfortable at. That carries dangers and question marks – is he good enough at super-middle?

“Have I still got what it takes to go 12 rounds because it looks like Chavez can survive? He can get through 12 rounds with anybody, he’s very tough like his dad was.

“It’s an intriguing fight – it’s a ‘pick ‘em’. It’s not ‘Froch is definitely going to win’ or ‘Chavez is definitely going to win’.”

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Froch should take this, although his punch resistance may not be what it once was going from the fact Groves was able to stun him with the jab.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haz wants GG to stay at 160 and fight crud....

Yet moans about the lack of ambition in other fighters!!..

I couldn't care less where he fights. I just want to see him land a top fighter (he can fight at 175 for all I care).

I'd love to see him clean house at middleweight and then move onto the super middles.

hazharrison wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haz wants GG to stay at 160 and fight crud....

Yet moans about the lack of ambition in other fighters!!..

I couldn't care less where he fights. I just want to see him land a top fighter (he can fight at 175 for all I care).

I'd love to see him clean house at middleweight and then move onto the super middles.

He's 33 soon..........

I'd rather he dipped his feet while he's still got a tank.......

When he starts to fight guys who can take his shot.........Energy will be a requisite.....

If he was 23 maybe it would be different...........

Certainly feel a win against a 168 champ and then a 175 prize would be more beneficial to his career than an extended stay at middle...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haz wants GG to stay at 160 and fight crud....

Yet moans about the lack of ambition in other fighters!!..

I couldn't care less where he fights. I just want to see him land a top fighter (he can fight at 175 for all I care).

I'd love to see him clean house at middleweight and then move onto the super middles.

He's 33 soon..........

I'd rather he dipped his feet while he's still got a tank.......

When he starts to fight guys who can take his shot.........Energy will be a requisite.....

If he was 23 maybe it would be different...........

Certainly feel a win against a 168 champ and then a 175 prize would be more beneficial to his career than an extended stay at middle...

He's a young 33, though. He doesn't have many miles on the clock.

If he can land a crack at Cotto (or Mayweather should he become the middleweight boss) and then establish a dominant reign at 160 it would be more beneficial than knocking off alphabet title holders in other divisions.

Better to be the best at one weight than one of the best in another (plus, there's no guarantee anyone wil fight him at 168 or 175).

Golovkin is mandatory for Cotto now. He has a chance to force Cottos hand and clean up the division. No point going up or down divisions to chase fights with opponents who clearly dont want the fight.

catchweight wrote:Golovkin is mandatory for Cotto now. He has a chance to force Cottos hand and clean up the division. No point going up or down divisions to chase fights with opponents who clearly dont want the fight.

Golovkin might be the mandatory for Cotto's WBC title, but Cotto could easily vacate it and just keep his Linear title and avoid Golovkin.

Beating better fighters means more than cleaning out a single division Haz, if that means staying in one division or moving up it makes no difference.

Golovkin hasn't had the best of luck getting the big fights but hanging around at Middleweight isn't going to make it any easier for him, personally think he's more than happy to face the B level fighters or he'd have moved up by now.

Gerry SA wrote:

catchweight wrote:Golovkin is mandatory for Cotto now. He has a chance to force Cottos hand and clean up the division. No point going up or down divisions to chase fights with opponents who clearly dont want the fight.

Golovkin might be the mandatory for Cotto's WBC title, but Cotto could easily vacate it and just keep his Linear title and avoid Golovkin.

So he scares Cotto out of the division if needs be. He cant make these guys fight him. He can only do his best. Laughable how Froch and Mayweather fans go on about Golovkin moving up or down divisions to chase these fights that they have no intention of ever taking. And that Golovkin should start at the back of this queue.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Beating better fighters means more than cleaning out a single division Haz, if that means staying in one division or moving up it makes no difference.

Golovkin hasn't had the best of luck getting the big fights but hanging around at Middleweight isn't going to make it any easier for him, personally think he's more than happy to face the B level fighters or he'd have moved up by now.

Moved up for what? To face more "B level" fighters forced into facing him by HBO? He's been built up well, has become the most exciting fighter in the world and is closing in on big money fights.

Golovkin's cut from the same cloth as Kovalev and Lomachenko - that lot will fight anyone. He hasn't turns down a single fight yet whereas the likes of Quillin, Martinez, Chavez, Sturm and Froch have all turned down offers to face him.

catchweight wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

catchweight wrote:Golovkin is mandatory for Cotto now. He has a chance to force Cottos hand and clean up the division. No point going up or down divisions to chase fights with opponents who clearly dont want the fight.

Golovkin might be the mandatory for Cotto's WBC title, but Cotto could easily vacate it and just keep his Linear title and avoid Golovkin.

So he scares Cotto out of the division if needs be. He cant make these guys fight him. He can only do his best. Laughable how Froch and Mayweather fans go on about Golovkin moving up or down divisions to chase these fights that they have no intention of ever taking. And that Golovkin should start at the back of this queue.

It's corruption by the governing bodies that are leaving GGG is the cold. Cotto, if he really thinks he's the true middleweight king, should be forced to fight GGG(who's the uncrowned middleweight king imo).

So you say Haz but as a fan of his your oblivious to any criticism, he could move up and face better and tougher opposition than he is but I doubt that will happen, he's more than happy facing the Geale's of the world.

GGG can't lose..Beat stiff after stiff...Claim he's been ducked for the next ten years and then wait for gullible fan boys like Haz to stick him in an ATG Top 10 list..

What a load of Love sacks, he has been actively trying to get fights with the big names for years.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So you say Haz but as a fan of his your oblivious to any criticism, he could move up and face better and tougher opposition than he is but I doubt that will happen, he's more than happy facing the Geale's of the world.

You mean Daniel Geale whom is a former unified(WBA/IBF) middleweight champion?

So he and his team keep saying, strange how nobody else in world boxing seems to struggle getting fights, hell not even Kovalev struggles to get fights.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So you say Haz but as a fan of his your oblivious to any criticism, he could move up and face better and tougher opposition than he is but I doubt that will happen, he's more than happy facing the Geale's of the world.

Move up and face who? Who has offered to fight him? Who are these tougher opponents willing to fight Golovkin?

Seems Golovkin has out the wind up the Floydettes.

Golovkin is steadily wiping out a division and has earned his shot at Cotto-Floyd. Only one of those would ever fight him.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So he and his team keep saying, strange how nobody else in world boxing seems to struggle getting fights, hell not even Kovalev struggles to get fights.

Kovalev is in exactly the same position as Golovkin. He's chewing up light heavyweight but can't land a fight with Stevenson.

Its not strange unless you are blind and deaf. This is an easy one. Even opposition promoters are not bothering to deny Golovkin is being avoided.

I couldn't give a toss about your fanboy opinion to be honest Haz, you like him so he can do no wrong and despite fighting over matched stiff after another he's the most exciting boxer in the world, yeah right.

Hilarious coming from the Froch and Mayweather nut. No wonder Golovkin is getting it the neck sandwiched between those two who wont go near him.

Good one he's being avoided by two fighters who don't fight at middleweight, that makes perfect sense, he can either move down, move up or stop bitching.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GGG can't lose..Beat stiff after stiff...Claim he's been ducked for the next ten years and then wait for gullible fan boys like Haz to stick him in an ATG Top 10 list..

The only fan boys on here are the Floydettes - all butt hurt because he's sidestepped Pacquiao again.

I don't know why GGG has you all het up - Floyd's never going to fight him so sleep easy.

I love watching Golovkin fight. He's exciting, will fight anyone and looks a potential great. If you don't like that, maybe try golf.

Do you not realise yourself that you are in fact a massive fan boy who hates his favourites being criticised?

This is why I like this place. These sort of jackass arguments. You have Hearn saying he spoke to Froch about Golovkin and was turned down, you have Froch saying he isnt interested in facing Golovkin. And then you have a nut trying to pin the blame on Golovkin. The guy out there trying to make the fight happen. This clown would have Golovkin waiting for a bus thats out of service or queing up for a shop thats is closed for the day.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I couldn't give a toss about your fanboy opinion to be honest Haz, you like him so he can do no wrong and despite fighting over matched stiff after another he's the most exciting boxer in the world, yeah right.

No-one on here cares about your opinion. You're like a wet fart.

Yes, Golovkin is the most exciting fighter in the world.

In your opinion, myself I wouldn't cross the road to watch him fight until he steps up.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Do you not realise yourself that you are in fact a massive fan boy who hates his favourites being criticised?

No. I have openly criticised my "favourites".

Honestly, it's like Mean Girls on here. I degrade myself even playing with you mopes.

You can go play somewhere else then Haz, the feeling is mutual but it is I whom is degrading himself humouring you.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:In your opinion, myself I wouldn't cross the road to watch him fight until he steps up.

Too exciting for you. If watching Floyd and Hopkins gives you a boner, Golovkin will be too much.

What should he move down or up to? Of he moves up and doesnt take on a Froch type opponent he'll labelled a cherry picker, beating up stiffs (who were gonna push him before they got.smashed) and having targeted Froch it's not coming off.

You've got understand, changing divisions gives the 160 chance another reason not to face him, undoing all the hard work he has put in. You can't expect a guy to throw away potentially getting the title he's been working towards for ages to move up for a fight that isn't even made.

This is why you're a cretin, you seem of the opinion if you like someone then everyone should, watching him knock out a stiff doesn't get me excited, I could have watch Wilders first 32 fights for that.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You can go play somewhere else then Haz, the feeling is mutual but it is I whom is degrading himself humouring you.

Cracking grammar there nimrod.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:What should he move down or up to? Of he moves up and doesnt take on a Froch type opponent he'll labelled a cherry picker, beating up stiffs (who were gonna push him before they got.smashed) and having targeted Froch it's not coming off.

You've got understand, changing divisions gives the 160 chance another reason not to face him, undoing all the hard work he has put in. You can't expect a guy to throw away potentially getting the title he's been working towards for ages to move up for a fight that isn't even made.

Way too difficult to understand for some on here.

catchweight wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:What should he move down or up to? Of he moves up and doesnt take on a Froch type opponent he'll labelled a cherry picker, beating up stiffs (who were gonna push him before they got.smashed) and having targeted Froch it's not coming off.

You've got understand, changing divisions gives the 160 chance another reason not to face him, undoing all the hard work he has put in. You can't expect a guy to throw away potentially getting the title he's been working towards for ages to move up for a fight that isn't even made.

Way too difficult to understand for some on here.

It's only two Floyd fans with an agenda. Hilarious to watch.

I remember this clown chatting sh1t saying Golovkin needed to fight Geale and Murray to prove himself and earn a shot and how Geale and Murray would represent real challenges and earn him the right to big fights. They have become "stiffs" now (previously they were top ranked divisional fighters). Hes taken these guys on now and put himself mandatory for the biggest name in the divsion and the clowns are still chatting sh1t. They would chat sh1t right up to to the point where Froch an Cotto sign sworn affadivits confirming their complete committment to not fighting Golovkin.

There is a gap between elite and "stiffs". Macklin and Geale were not elite but it's disrespectful in the extreme to call them stiffs. They took on a brilliantly destructive fighter and got smashed, but they've still been world level middleweights over the past few years and deserve better than to be derided to suit an argument.

hazharrison wrote:

catchweight wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:What should he move down or up to? Of he moves up and doesnt take on a Froch type opponent he'll labelled a cherry picker, beating up stiffs (who were gonna push him before they got.smashed) and having targeted Froch it's not coming off.

You've got understand, changing divisions gives the 160 chance another reason not to face him, undoing all the hard work he has put in. You can't expect a guy to throw away potentially getting the title he's been working towards for ages to move up for a fight that isn't even made.

Way too difficult to understand for some on here.

It's only two Floyd fans with an agenda. Hilarious to watch.

It really is hilarious.

Gerry slags off Khan and any other top Brit..

and rates Daniel Geale..

catchweight wrote:I remember this clown chatting sh1t saying Golovkin needed to fight Geale and Murray to prove himself and earn a shot and how Geale and Murray would represent real challenges and earn him the right to big fights. They have become "stiffs" now (previously they were top ranked divisional fighters). Hes taken these guys on now and put himself mandatory for the biggest name in the divsion and the clowns are still chatting sh1t. They would chat sh1t right up to to the point where Froch an Cotto sign sworn affadivits confirming their complete committment to not fighting Golovkin.

Ha! They're like kids.

"I like so and so - who do you like?"

irrespective of whether froch wants the fight, which it seems he doesn't, Why would fighting froch or ward at supermiddle knacker ggg's middleweight aspirations?... it would depend on whether he felt any move he had to make would be permanent. Its hardly like he'd have to spend years making himself a mandatory again back at middle. Assuming he won, his stock would be higher... and if he loses, his aura is gone and people will stop ducking him. Win win!

Bhop's a middle who's been at light heavy for years, reckons he can make super middle for froch. Stevenson moved up to light heavy but claimed he was ready to come down again for froch. Not all fighters are comfortable adjusting weight but Golovkin, as i understand it, has said he'll fight at light middle or super middle. I didn't presume he'd have to stay there. I certainly don't think he should be fighting also rans at super middle when he's  most comfortable at middle... but if there's a big fight why can't he take it? Its hardly without precedent.

Leonard moved up for one fight to take out kalule, dropped straight back down to fight hearns.

The big fights havent been avilable in any division for him. Its only worth moving up for a big fight. if he did move up and win I doubt he would drop back down. Froch and Chavez were the biggest fights for him at the higher division and they passed.

Don't try talking sense to posters who want to see Johnny Foreigner beat the crap out of one of their own !!!!...Very classy.

Yep we all thought Barker-losing Geale was a great test..

catchweight wrote:The big fights havent been avilable in any division for him. Its only worth moving up for a big fight. if he did move up and win I doubt he would drop back down. Froch and Chavez were the biggest fights for him at the higher division and they passed.

given that the better names currently, and it can change quick, are at super middle and light heavy he probably wouldn't drop back down. But he could, if it was that important to him. He should chase the big fights at any weight he's happy fighting at. Clearly he did put himself in the frame for froch, so was prepared to do it... but the trenchmeister is hanging on to jcc junior's slippers like a love sick puppy.

milkyboy wrote:

catchweight wrote:The big fights havent been avilable in any division for him. Its only worth moving up for a big fight. if he did move up and win I doubt he would drop back down. Froch and Chavez were the biggest fights for him at the higher division and they passed.

given that the better names currently, and it can change quick, are at super middle and light heavy he probably wouldn't drop back down. But he could, if it was that important to him. He should chase the big fights at any weight he's happy fighting at. Clearly he did put himself in the frame for froch, so was prepared to do it... but the trenchmeister is hanging on to jcc junior's slippers like a love sick puppy.

Chavez and Froch passed. Ward's been in the garage. There haven't been any big fights for him. Quillin, Sturm and Martinez all passed.

Once he leaves 160, he's not going back. Hopefully he gets to clean up before invading 168.

I know there haven't been haz, I'm not blaming the guy, just saying if he can get a name to bite he should take the fight irrespective of the weight. If he's been trying to get those fights he clearly agrees.

I think hes put himself in the frame for realistically any big fight he can get but hasnt had any takers. Its not rocket science why. Hes had to do things the long, hard way because he hasnt had the luxury of a huge partisan following that convince the networks and suits calling the shots to make things happen. But hes built momentum up now to such a point that the idea he hasnt earned a shot, isnt a big name, isnt a big fight etc is all BS now. He lacks the neccessary partisan fanbase to put him over past the mainstream to the general public where he can carry a ppv card by himself. But there are hardly any fighters that can do that successully out there. If he was American, Peurto Rican or Mexican the sky would be the limit. Within the mainstream boxing fan world he is red hot right now and getting rave reviews. They know the score with whats going on.

"I like Catchy because he agrees with me"..

"Don't like them other two though...There naughty boys!!"...

Geale and Macklin.....Both sloppy seconds or thirds...end of !!

milkyboy wrote:I know there haven't been haz, I'm not blaming the guy, just saying if he can get a name to bite he should take the fight irrespective of the weight. If he's been trying to get those fights he clearly agrees.

I'm sure he will. They offered to fight Chavez at 168 but he passed.

Maybe Froch will give up on Chavez and take Golovkin instead.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So he and his team keep saying, strange how nobody else in world boxing seems to struggle getting fights, hell not even Kovalev struggles to get fights.

He struggles to get THE fight though, as SuperDuck avoids him like anyone around 160 does GGG. Kov blew a paper champ out the water and took on Hoppo who is a proper old school boxer that doesn't shy a way from a challenge. Other than that he hasn't really fought any 'top' fighters....

Dear me. I think JBW hit the nail on the head when he alluded to how some posters will just say anything, no matter how ridiculous it is, no matter how much it contradicts what they’ve said in the past and no matter how much overwhelming evidence to the contrary they have to ignore to say it with a straight face in order to avoid having to concede any ground. Some fantasy-land stuff being thrown about on this thread.

...Which differentiates it from every other thread on here how, exactly, Chris?