Australian Open Day 10-14 - Djokurray! And others! :P

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Also not Berdych's biggest fan, but I do like him, and he's a watch connoisseur, I'm an amateur watch maker... Gotta support the market!

I think some people are going over-kill on Berdych collapse. I don't buy it. Yes his levels dipped but a mental collapse - I say no. Remember this is the same Berdych who has the better of the two in the head-to-heads so how did he manage them? Murray raised his game at the start of the second set and for me Berdych couldn't live with it and no I don't think this was about stamina either as Berdych had been on court much shorter space of time than Murray. Plus lets remember he came in here with him on the back of supposedly the win of his career and was a new man with new self-belief (never bought that but some were saying it) and had the advantage of having inside info on Andy from Dani. Truth is Berdych is a two-dimensional player where if Plan A isn't working he doesn't have a Plan B to go to.

I don't think it's overkill CC.

Berdych went from the 71% points on the first serve and 18 winners in the first set to 36% points won on the first serve and 1 winner in the second.

Pretty spectacular collapse.

Murray got used to the pace and outclassed him after the first set, as he did last time they played in a slam. No collapse or reason for Berdych to feel bad. His only real failing was that momentary lapse at 40-0 in set 3 but that's concentration not nerves.

HM Murdoch wrote:I'll be accused of jinxing but my gut is telling me that this is probably Andy's time to win this slam. I think he's too good a player to make 4 finals and not win one of them.

This stat about no player having won at Oz title having lost their 1st three finals makes me smile. Are there even two other players who have made 3 Oz finals without winning one?

Novak's obviously clear favourite but Murray has a punchers chance.

legendkillarV2 wrote:I don't think it's overkill CC.

Berdych went from the 71% points on the first serve and 18 winners in the first set to 36% points won on the first serve and 1 winner in the second.

Pretty spectacular collapse.

Yes but temper that with the other facts of the first set where Murray's first serve wasn't firing too well, his return game had yet to click and he never looked settled until towards the end of it. Murray upped his game and Berdych had no answer. He had moments after that where he hung in there like the fourth set but he just never had that higher level in him.

If you put it the way I put it with match on-going:-

In the first set Berdych played very well and Murray had yet to get into the groove but the set could still have gone either way (though Berdych deserved it). In the remaining sets Murray played the better and Berdych less so and those sets (barring the last) were comfortable set wins for Murray.

I dunno about Andys chances, If its Mr incredible I reckon 4 sets. Andy will have to play as good as sets 2 and 3 the whole final to stop him.

Born Slippy wrote:Murray got used to the pace and outclassed him after the first set, as he did last time they played in a slam. No collapse or reason for Berdych to feel bad. His only real failing was that momentary lapse at 40-0 in set 3 but that's concentration not nerves.

Yes that's more or less what I saw. I would maybe add to that the game where Murray was serving at 4-3 down in the 4th set. Missed 5 or 6 first serves in a row and was rolling in his second serve. Berdych smashed two back for winners but should really have won that game. Difference in the game from 1st to the rest was that Murray (as he said himself) played more aggressively earlier in the rallies and did not allow Berdych to dominate them.

Djokovic and Wawrinka.

Djokovic has hit 181 winners to Wawrinka's 241.

Wawrinka 54 aces to Djokovic's 48.

Djokovic has hit 105 UEs and Wawrinka 203

Wawrinka has converted 25/57 break points 43.8%. Djokovic 19/57 which is 33.3%.

Where's the smart money?

Andy Murray has the wrost winning percentage of major finals for any multiple major winner in the Open Era(Craig feel free to bring up a stat from 720BC...). 2/7 28%. Come Sunday that will read 2/8 25%.

I like the way you jinx

Hawkeye has more style than you Gerry ^^

Murray stats

230 Winners.
65 Aces.
172 UE's.
34/72 BP's 47.22%.

Seems very steady thus far.

legendkillarV2 wrote:Murray stats

230 Winners.
65 Aces.
172 UE's.
34/72 BP's 47.22%.

Seems very steady thus far.

Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

Gerry SA wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Murray stats

230 Winners.
65 Aces.
172 UE's.
34/72 BP's 47.22%.

Seems very steady thus far.

Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

Yap yap yap. Run along little pup.

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Murray stats

230 Winners.
65 Aces.
172 UE's.
34/72 BP's 47.22%.

Seems very steady thus far.

Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

Yap yap yap. Run along little pup.

Genius...

Hi Gerry they say you are very good at predicting results!

What about tomorrow & Sunday?

sportslover wrote:Hi Gerry they say you are very good at predicting results!

What about tomorrow & Sunday?

Stan's the Man

...and the other guy is NOT.

Go Stan Gooo

Jahu wrote:...and the other guy is NOT.

Go Stan Gooo

Nothing wrong with the Djoker, I just prefer Stan

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

Gerry SA wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

Actually you lost the argument.

Re-read, digest and then choke yourself.

Gerry SA wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

It's a pity your know-it-all-tone doesn't match your actual levels of tennis knowledge.

Kyrgios is a youngster, who actually played some inspired tennis at times in front of his home crowd. Facing both Dimitrov and Berdych before the final is pretty tough for a normal ATP500 field.
How many ATP500 tournaments do you watch ? Apart from a few, the field tends to be depleted of most of the top players.

Wish I was off to watch tomorrow's match. The 2013 match was genuinely one of the best I've ever seen. Drama and great rallies from start to finish. Be kinda disappointing if it was 3 sets.

I think it will be tight, but not 5 sets. Not this time. Novak in 4.

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

It's a pity your know-it-all-tone doesn't match your actual levels of tennis knowledge.

Kyrgios is a youngster, who actually played some inspired tennis at times in front of his home crowd. Facing both Dimitrov and Berdych before the final is pretty tough for a normal ATP500 field.
How many ATP500 tournaments do you watch ? Apart from a few, the field tends to be depleted of most of the top players.

Dimitrov some sort of ATG these days yeah? Based on 3 career titles and 1 GS S/F? Do me a favour... Berdych has more mentally weak than Murray...

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

Actually you lost the argument.

Re-read, digest and then choke yourself.

I hope you don't cry too much on Sunday... Murray's a B side. Tomorrow is the A side of the draw.

Gerry SA wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

Actually you lost the argument.

Re-read, digest and then choke yourself.

I hope you don't cry too much on Sunday... Murray's a B side. Tomorrow is the A side of the draw.

Funny for a Federer fan to make more comments on Murray than his favourite

Gerry SA wrote:
Dimitrov some sort of ATG these days yeah? Based on 3 career titles and 1 GS S/F? Do me a favour... Berdych has more mentally weak than Murray...

You said the comparison was with a ATP500 field. He played Dimitrov in the QFs ? Why on earth do you expect All-Time-Greats to turn up in quarter finals of Grand Slam tournaments ?
It's true Murray has not had the toughest draw he's ever had to face, but at the same time he has had some stern tests. The anger towards Murray finally getting a standard draw and then doing well is mind boggling. For the vast majority of his prime, he's had to constantly have to beat Djokovic/Murray/Nadal to even REACH the finals. And in both the slams he's won, he's beaten Djokovic. If not anything Murray deserves an easier opponent in this final; given how ridiculously difficult the players he has had to face. I did a review of the players he had lost to between 2010 and 2013 away from RG and it consisted solely of 4 players: Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Wawrinka.

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

Actually you lost the argument.

Re-read, digest and then choke yourself.

I hope you don't cry too much on Sunday... Murray's a B side. Tomorrow is the A side of the draw.

Funny for a Federer fan to make more comments on Murray than his favourite

Federer's achieved more in 1 season(2004/2006/2007) than Murray has in his entire career...#YoureWelcome

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Dimitrov some sort of ATG these days yeah? Based on 3 career titles and 1 GS S/F? Do me a favour... Berdych has more mentally weak than Murray...

You said the comparison was with a ATP500 field. He played Dimitrov in the QFs ? Why on earth do you expect All-Time-Greats to turn up in quarter finals of Grand Slam tournaments ?
It's true Murray has not had the toughest draw he's ever had to face, but at the same time he has had some stern tests. The anger towards Murray finally getting a standard draw and then doing well is mind boggling. For the vast majority of his prime, he's had to constantly have to beat Djokovic/Murray/Nadal to even REACH the finals. And in both the slams he's won, he's beaten Djokovic. If not anything Murray deserves an easier opponent in this final; given how ridiculously difficult the players he has had to face. I did a review of the players he had lost to between 2010 and 2013 away from RG and it consisted solely of 4 players: Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Wawrinka.

Murray's not in Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's league hence why he gets a tough draw.

Gerry SA wrote:
Murray's not in Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's league hence why he gets a tough draw.

No one is arguing Murray is as great as these 3 players. What is your point exactly ? You seem to be backtracking and incoherent in your attempted analysis.

Im gonna make this clear now. Gerry if youre gonna be antagonistic like this all weekend your gonna be met with suspension on the day of the final. Im not dealing with this childish arguing, you dont like Murray? Fine. However stop baiting people like this, were not having it.

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Murray's not in Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's league hence why he gets a tough draw.

No one is arguing Murray is as great as these 3 players. What is your point exactly ? You seem to be backtracking and incoherent in your attempted analysis.

Murray always gets the sympathy card...Oh Murray's had the big 3 blocking his way to winning majors etc...Didn't seem to deter Delpo in 2009 or Stan in 2014. Murray simply needs someone to do all the hard work and cash in on everyone else's hard work.

temporary21 wrote:Im gonna make this clear now. Gerry if youre gonna be antagonistic like this all weekend your gonna be met with suspension on the day of the final. Im not dealing with this childish arguing, you dont like Murray? Fine. However stop baiting people like this, were not having it.

I know Stan will win the final so I'm happy with whatever you see fit.

Gerry SA wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

Actually you lost the argument.

Re-read, digest and then choke yourself.

I hope you don't cry too much on Sunday... Murray's a B side. Tomorrow is the A side of the draw.

Funny for a Federer fan to make more comments on Murray than his favourite

Federer's achieved more in 1 season(2004/2006/2007) than Murray has in his entire career...#YoureWelcome

Is it cold under the bridge?

#BillyGoatGruff

legendkillarV2 wrote:
Is it cold under the bridge?

#BillyGoatGruff

You tell me...

Gerry SA wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
Helps when your draw opens up so much that it's basically that of an ATP 500...

I'm not sure how many ATP 500s you watch Gerry, but not many will have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, and Berdych all faced before even reaching the final.

Kyrgios? Yeah you've lost that argument...

Actually you lost the argument.

Re-read, digest and then choke yourself.

I hope you don't cry too much on Sunday... Murray's a B side. Tomorrow is the A side of the draw.

Funny for a Federer fan to make more comments on Murray than his favourite

Federer's achieved more in 1 season(2004/2006/2007) than Murray has in his entire career...#YoureWelcome

Newsflash - Federer has had a much better career than Murray! Where would we be without Gerry's insights?
#StatingTheBleedingObviousDoesNotQualifyAsWit

Good luck Stan!

I am looking forward to a classic, or Stan's hammering of Nole, which means that it will probably an easy straight sets for Nole.

Djoko vs Tank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn271kr_ks0#t=18

New day and a fantastic way to start, Katie Swan has made the final of the girls Juniors, winning 0-6 7-6 7-5 and saving 3 match points while apparently dealing with cramp. At only 15 years old, hopefully this is the start of a promising career

Hopefully she will go one better than Robbo

Yes! Two quick holds now please, Stan.

Wawrinka doing a Berdych!

Unlike Berdy though, Wawrinka knows he doesn't absolutely need the first set to beat Djokovic over five

Ouch that TB has gotta hurt!

Solid TB from Nole, but also quite poor from Stan.

Needs to get more first serves in. 57% at the moment to Nole's 69%.

Stan really poor here.

Nole is playing pushing tennis today. If not for Stans UE's this would be in Stans control.