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Post by maestegmafia Wed 28 Jan - 19:43

This is a team from an article in the Telegraph..!

15. Rob Kearney

14. Tommy Bowe

13. Robbie Henshaw

12. Wesley Fofana

11. Teddy Thomas

10. Jonny Sexton

9. Conner Murray

1. Joe Marler

2. Richard Hibbard

3. Dave Wilson

4. Alun Wynn Jones

5. Paul O'Connell

6. Peter O'Mahony

7. Sam Warburton

8. Sergio Parisse


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/sixnations/11373978/Six-Nations-2015-who-makes-our-composite-XV.html?image=14

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Post by TJ Wed 28 Jan - 22:05

Ickle jonny should be there for sure the only scot with a real claim tho i guess

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Post by Exiledinborders Wed 28 Jan - 22:25

Odd team. Not surprising as it was picked by Steve James.

Based on this Ireland should easily get a slam. Unfortunately if you read James' column he has been saying the same thing for years. He usually predicts doom and gloom for England in the 6N and they are usually towards the top.

Silly article just written as clickbait.

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Post by TJ Wed 28 Jan - 22:37

Aye - Tommy Seymour should be in there as well really - but as an Ireland reject who came good in Scotland he ain't gonna get a chance with Steve James picking

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Post by maestegmafia Wed 28 Jan - 22:38

TJ wrote:Ickle jonny should be there for sure  the only scot with a real claim tho i guess

I think the Scottish centres are rather underrated, though this could be a good opportunity to show their worth.

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Post by TJ Wed 28 Jan - 22:47

Shame they keep getting broken

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Post by maestegmafia Wed 28 Jan - 22:58

TJ wrote:Shame they keep getting broken

Centres do that... We have been down four or five before with Wales.

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Post by 123456789 Wed 28 Jan - 23:01

I'd go:

15. Brown
14. Huget
13. Bennett
12. Fofana
11. North
10. Sexton
9. Care
8. Parisse
7. Warburton
6. O'Brien
5. O'Connell
4. Gray
3. Cole
2. Ford
1. Vunipola

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Post by TJ Wed 28 Jan - 23:11

maestegmafia wrote:
TJ wrote:Shame they keep getting broken

Centres do that... We have been down four or five before with Wales.

We only have 3 to start off with

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Post by TJ Wed 28 Jan - 23:12

Numbers - no place for Seymour?

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Post by 123456789 Wed 28 Jan - 23:17

I really wish I could but Huget has always impressed me, apart from when a Bath player touched him, and North is a monster. Seymour would be next to me but the fact that we have so many Scottish players in the running is promising. I think even if we finish fifth, based on individuals and league position, we may have left the "bottom two" group that we occupy with Italy and are moving towards the big 4.

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Post by George Carlin Thu 29 Jan - 7:26

Did I pass out and wake up after the tournament finished?

How utterly, utterly pointless.
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Post by pete (buachaill on eirne) Thu 29 Jan - 8:47

Healy-Hibbard-Cole
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Care-Sexton
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Post by George Carlin Thu 29 Jan - 8:59

I am Thicky McThick at the best of times, but what are we actually doing here?

Are we listing players that have a history of playing well in the tournament? Or are we listing players who, on the basis of current form, are actually likely to play well this year? Or are we just listing players whom we think should be watched?

Parisse, for example, has been decidedly average for Stade this season - many of his teammates outshining him completely. No scrum half anyone has listed above has come close to playing as well as Rhys Webb has this season. Ford and Biggar are at least as likely on current form to play better than Sexton (who is still returning from injury).

I don't get it. But then again, I did attend here:
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Post by bedfordwelsh Thu 29 Jan - 9:02

Also why is North in there?
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Post by maestegmafia Thu 29 Jan - 9:20

bedfordwelsh wrote:Also why is North in there?

Suggest your team Beds! Who would you have instead of North?

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Post by maestegmafia Thu 29 Jan - 9:21

George Carlin wrote:I am Thicky McThick at the best of times, but what are we actually doing here?

Are we listing players that have a history of playing well in the tournament? Or are we listing players who, on the basis of current form, are actually likely to play well this year? Or are we just listing players whom we think should be watched?

Parisse, for example, has been decidedly average for Stade this season - many of his teammates outshining him completely. No scrum half anyone has listed above has come close to playing as well as Rhys Webb has this season. Ford and Biggar are at least as likely on current form to play better than Sexton (who is still returning from injury).

I don't get it. But then again, I did attend here:
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GC from the article I think they are selecting the players they presume will shine this six nations rather than form or past glories.


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Post by bedfordwelsh Thu 29 Jan - 9:30

maestegmafia wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Also why is North in there?

Suggest your team Beds! Who would you have instead of North?

Williams, Halfpenny, Amos, Cuthbert is no worse than North. Even may has impressed me more this season and I didn't rate him at all last year but he really kicked on for England in the AIs as opposed to North who had a very poor series.
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Post by maestegmafia Thu 29 Jan - 9:41

15 Dulin
14 Nakaitaci
13 Bennett
12 Roberts
11 Watson
10 Lopez
9 Webb
1 Arous
2 Hibbard
3 Chistolini
4 Gray
5 O'Connell
6 O'Mahony
7 Blake
8 Faletau

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Post by maestegmafia Thu 29 Jan - 9:45

bedfordwelsh wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Also why is North in there?

Suggest your team Beds! Who would you have instead of North?

Williams, Halfpenny, Amos, Cuthbert is no worse than North.  Even may has impressed me more this season and I didn't rate him at all last year but he really kicked on for England in the AIs as opposed to North who had a very poor series.


What you are referring to with North us that he has been told to look for more work, it's nothing new it's just encouraging him to add to his game. Apparently Alex King at Saints agrees with Gatland.

Though j think most would agree that North is still a bigger threat than all the other wingers you mentioned.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Thu 29 Jan - 9:48

There is one player for me, who if England give him some game time will put in some cracking performances and that is Nick Easter.

If he is given space to run off the back of scrums like Morgan has had then he will make some big yards. He may not start games or may not last 80 minutes but will do some damage.
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Post by highland_scot Thu 29 Jan - 9:50

maestegmafia wrote:15 Dulin
14 Nakaitaci
13 Bennett
12 Roberts
11 Watson
10 Lopez
9 Webb
1 Arous
2 Hibbard
3 Chistolini
4 Gray
5 O'Connell
6 O'Mahony
7 Blake
8 Faletau

Hugh? You must know more than us scots! Smile

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Post by maestegmafia Thu 29 Jan - 9:51

highland_scot wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:15 Dulin
14 Nakaitaci
13 Bennett
12 Roberts
11 Watson
10 Lopez
9 Webb
1 Arous
2 Hibbard
3 Chistolini
4 Gray
5 O'Connell
6 O'Mahony
7 Blake
8 Faletau

Hugh? You must know more than us scots! Smile

Surprise package of the tournament...!

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Post by bedfordwelsh Thu 29 Jan - 9:52

maestegmafia wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Also why is North in there?

Suggest your team Beds! Who would you have instead of North?

Williams, Halfpenny, Amos, Cuthbert is no worse than North.  Even may has impressed me more this season and I didn't rate him at all last year but he really kicked on for England in the AIs as opposed to North who had a very poor series.


What you are referring to with North us that he has been told to look for more work, it's nothing new it's just encouraging him to add to his game. Apparently Alex King at Saints agrees with Gatland.  

Though j think most would agree that North is still a bigger threat than all the other wingers you mentioned.

He posed little or no threat in the AIs Cuthbert has a better strike rate than North yet both have the same weaknesses so how can he be a bigger threat than Cuthbert at least.
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Post by maestegmafia Thu 29 Jan - 9:54

bedfordwelsh wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Also why is North in there?

Suggest your team Beds! Who would you have instead of North?

Williams, Halfpenny, Amos, Cuthbert is no worse than North.  Even may has impressed me more this season and I didn't rate him at all last year but he really kicked on for England in the AIs as opposed to North who had a very poor series.


What you are referring to with North us that he has been told to look for more work, it's nothing new it's just encouraging him to add to his game. Apparently Alex King at Saints agrees with Gatland.  

Though j think most would agree that North is still a bigger threat than all the other wingers you mentioned.

He posed little or no threat in the AIs Cuthbert has a better strike rate than North yet both have the same weaknesses so how can he be a bigger threat than Cuthbert at least.

He has been playing well for Saints. The AIs were a few months ago now...

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Post by highland_scot Thu 29 Jan - 9:54

Who knows? I'd have Hamish Watson in the 23 before him personally but Blake looks decent from his highlights reel (although don't they all). Very quick to his feet after making the tackle. Though I've seen what he does penalised a lot up in the NH so who can tell.

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Post by TJ Thu 29 Jan - 11:42

bedfordwelsh wrote:There is one player for me, who if England give him some game time will put in some cracking performances and that is Nick Easter.

If he is given space to run off the back of scrums like Morgan has had then he will make some big yards. He may not start games or may not last 80 minutes but will do some damage.

He will not get any space in the international game and he is painfully slow. A great club player but one whos downsides get shown up in the international game. Too many faster guys around. H ewill try his very best adn can do some good things but his lack of pace will be exposed

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Post by lostinwales Thu 29 Jan - 12:00

TJ wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:There is one player for me, who if England give him some game time will put in some cracking performances and that is Nick Easter.

If he is given space to run off the back of scrums like Morgan has had then he will make some big yards.  He may not start games or may not last 80 minutes but will do some damage.

He will not get any space in the international game  and he is painfully slow.  A great club player but one whos downsides get shown up in the international game.  Too many faster guys around.  H ewill try his very best adn can do some good things but his lack of pace will be exposed

He is slow, but he will always make some yards and his hands are very good, making space for others. He isn't explosive in the same way as BV and Morgan especially, and that is a big reason why he is down the list, but he is smart. As we keep on pointing out he does lack pace but then that is probably the only thing he lacks.

Interesting the most recent interview suggests that one of the main reasons for him not being part of the team since Lancaster came on board was that they didnt think he (or any of the senior players dropped since that last world cup) would make it this far. But he has, and with Morgan injured he has a great chance to get back in the reckoning.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Thu 29 Jan - 12:05

Like said I don't think he would last the 80 by any means but maybe give him 40 odd minutes and being told go out there bust a gut etc or coming off the bench with 10-15 minutes to go he could do some damage.
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Thu 29 Jan - 15:48

Interesting to see that England have arguably the strongest pack in the 6N, but no one has picked and Englishman outside of the front row.

Is the team made up only of those that are fit to play or from the squads? Otherwise Lawsbury should be somewhere there, possibly the most effective all-round combo in the 6N.

Morgan on AI form is a match for anyone as is May.
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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Thu 29 Jan - 16:05

Just to clarify , the author off this 'article'. Steve 'click bait' James

Stated he chose this team on the basis of the Autumn Internationals

Parisse ? Really......

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Post by thomh Thu 29 Jan - 16:58

BigTrevsbigmac wrote:Just to clarify , the author off this 'article'. Steve 'click bait' James

Stated he chose this team on the basis of the Autumn Internationals

Parisse ? Really......

...and no Lawes despite his performance against Australia.

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