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Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
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Prop
Gethin Jenkins, Taufa'ao Filise, Craig Mitchell, Sam Hobbs, Scott Andrews, Thomas Davies, Dillon Lewis
Hooker
Matthew Rees, Kristian Dacey, Rhys Williams, Ethan Lewis
2nd Row
Jarrad Hoeata, James Down, Lou Reed, Chris Dicomidis, Miles Normandale
Flanker
Sam Warburton, Josh Turnbull, Macauley Cook, Ellis Jenkins, Josh Navidi, Jevon Groves, Ben Roach
Eight
Manoa Vosawai
Scrum half
Tavis Knoyle, Lloyd Williams, Lewis Jones, Tomos Williams
Fly half
Rhys Patchell, Gareth Anscombe, Gareth Davies, Jarrod Evans, Will Thomas
Centre
Cory Allen, Gavin Evans, Richard Smith, Tom Pascoe, Adam Thomas, Garyn Smith, Ray Lee-Lo
Wing
Alex Cuthbert, Harry Davies, Owen Jenkins, Chris Knight, Tom Williams, Tom James
Full back
Blaine Scully, Dan Fish, Geraint Walsh, Aled Summerhill
Prop
Gethin Jenkins, Taufa'ao Filise, Craig Mitchell, Sam Hobbs, Scott Andrews, Thomas Davies, Dillon Lewis
Hooker
Matthew Rees, Kristian Dacey, Rhys Williams, Ethan Lewis
2nd Row
Jarrad Hoeata, James Down, Lou Reed, Chris Dicomidis, Miles Normandale
Flanker
Sam Warburton, Josh Turnbull, Macauley Cook, Ellis Jenkins, Josh Navidi, Jevon Groves, Ben Roach
Eight
Manoa Vosawai
Scrum half
Tavis Knoyle, Lloyd Williams, Lewis Jones, Tomos Williams
Fly half
Rhys Patchell, Gareth Anscombe, Gareth Davies, Jarrod Evans, Will Thomas
Centre
Cory Allen, Gavin Evans, Richard Smith, Tom Pascoe, Adam Thomas, Garyn Smith, Ray Lee-Lo
Wing
Alex Cuthbert, Harry Davies, Owen Jenkins, Chris Knight, Tom Williams, Tom James
Full back
Blaine Scully, Dan Fish, Geraint Walsh, Aled Summerhill
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
PhilBB wrote:Cardiff Dave wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Wilson is a coach who coaches a style of play very similar to Gatland. Blues don't have the personnel for that; you need a competent front row and a high percentage goal-kicker. So can anyone see him making a big difference?
Don't expect him to and certainly not this season anyway, but an improved try count, for/against should be a target. Conceded more than Newport GD last season and finished below them which is just not on.
Thanks to Leinster's selection 'policy'.
Now now, that's a bit unfair on the Chief and your players. Surely they deserve some of the credit.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
Stone Motif wrote:PhilBB wrote:Cardiff Dave wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Wilson is a coach who coaches a style of play very similar to Gatland. Blues don't have the personnel for that; you need a competent front row and a high percentage goal-kicker. So can anyone see him making a big difference?
Don't expect him to and certainly not this season anyway, but an improved try count, for/against should be a target. Conceded more than Newport GD last season and finished below them which is just not on.
Thanks to Leinster's selection 'policy'.
Now now, that's a bit unfair on the Chief and your players. Surely they deserve some of the credit.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Wilson is a coach who coaches a style of play very similar to Gatland. Blues don't have the personnel for that; you need a competent front row and a high percentage goal-kicker. So can anyone see him making a big difference?
They are odd comments as Gatland has been vocal in noting that he doesn't pay too much attention to the set piece (going back to his Wasps days).
Wilson will make a huge difference. Hell, we even scored a try from a maul on the weekend.
I'm sure we also conceded two tries from a maul in the same said game.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
Stone Motif wrote:PhilBB wrote:Cardiff Dave wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Wilson is a coach who coaches a style of play very similar to Gatland. Blues don't have the personnel for that; you need a competent front row and a high percentage goal-kicker. So can anyone see him making a big difference?
Don't expect him to and certainly not this season anyway, but an improved try count, for/against should be a target. Conceded more than Newport GD last season and finished below them which is just not on.
Thanks to Leinster's selection 'policy'.
Now now, that's a bit unfair on the Chief and your players. Surely they deserve some of the credit.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Wilson is a coach who coaches a style of play very similar to Gatland. Blues don't have the personnel for that; you need a competent front row and a high percentage goal-kicker. So can anyone see him making a big difference?
They are odd comments as Gatland has been vocal in noting that he doesn't pay too much attention to the set piece (going back to his Wasps days).
Wilson will make a huge difference. Hell, we even scored a try from a maul on the weekend.
I'm sorry but you can't think that if you've watched many games under the Gatland regime - so it leads me to believe that you haven't.
You were right about Gatland being vocal at least.
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I'm sure we also conceded two tries from a maul in the same said game.
As noted above, the influence of The Chef will take a long while to be rid of.
Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
mikey_dragon wrote:PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Wilson is a coach who coaches a style of play very similar to Gatland. Blues don't have the personnel for that; you need a competent front row and a high percentage goal-kicker. So can anyone see him making a big difference?
They are odd comments as Gatland has been vocal in noting that he doesn't pay too much attention to the set piece (going back to his Wasps days).
Wilson will make a huge difference. Hell, we even scored a try from a maul on the weekend.
I'm sorry but you can't think that if you've watched many games under the Gatland regime - so it leads me to believe that you haven't.
You were right about Gatland being vocal at least.
I've watched them all, mate. And I remember it being the same at Wasps. Sorry.
Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
Team for Zebre,
Interesting to see Ethan Lewis play his first pro12 game over Rhys Williams at hooker.
Cardiff Blues v Zebre Rugby – BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park – 2:30pm KO
15 Dan Fish, 14 Aled Summerhill, 13 Tom Isaacs, 12 Gavin Evans, 11 Tom James, 10 Rhys Patchell, 9 Tavis Knoyle;
1 Sam Hobbs, 2 Ethan Lewis, 3 Taufa’ao Filise, 4 Jarrad Hoeata, 5 James Down, 6 Josh Turnbull, 7 Josh Navidi (c), 8 Manoa Vosawai
Replacements: 16 Rhys Williams, 17 Thomas Davies, 18 Craig Mitchell, 19 Macauley Cook, 20 Ellis Jenkins, 21 Lewis Jones, 22 Gareth Davies, 23 Garyn Smith
Interesting to see Ethan Lewis play his first pro12 game over Rhys Williams at hooker.
Cardiff Blues v Zebre Rugby – BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park – 2:30pm KO
15 Dan Fish, 14 Aled Summerhill, 13 Tom Isaacs, 12 Gavin Evans, 11 Tom James, 10 Rhys Patchell, 9 Tavis Knoyle;
1 Sam Hobbs, 2 Ethan Lewis, 3 Taufa’ao Filise, 4 Jarrad Hoeata, 5 James Down, 6 Josh Turnbull, 7 Josh Navidi (c), 8 Manoa Vosawai
Replacements: 16 Rhys Williams, 17 Thomas Davies, 18 Craig Mitchell, 19 Macauley Cook, 20 Ellis Jenkins, 21 Lewis Jones, 22 Gareth Davies, 23 Garyn Smith
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The decline in standard in your backline is astonishing.
I mean, over the years, you have had the likes of halfpenny roberts laulala, shanklin, rees, blair, sweeney, robinson
I mean, over the years, you have had the likes of halfpenny roberts laulala, shanklin, rees, blair, sweeney, robinson
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
GavinDragon wrote:The decline in standard in your backline is astonishing.
I mean, over the years, you have had the likes of halfpenny roberts laulala, shanklin, rees, blair, sweeney, robinson
In fairness, most of our backline are at the world cup,
First choice would be
9. Lloyd Williams
10. Gareth Anscombe
11. Tom James
12. Ray Lee Lo
13. Cory Allen
14. Alex Cuthbert
15. Rhys Patchell
Which isn't exactly bad.
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wales606 wrote:GavinDragon wrote:The decline in standard in your backline is astonishing.
I mean, over the years, you have had the likes of halfpenny roberts laulala, shanklin, rees, blair, sweeney, robinson
In fairness, most of our backline are at the world cup,
First choice would be
9. Lloyd Williams
10. Gareth Anscombe
11. Tom James
12. Ray Lee Lo
13. Cory Allen
14. Alex Cuthbert
15. Rhys Patchell
Which isn't exactly bad.
Fair point.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Wilson is a coach who coaches a style of play very similar to Gatland. Blues don't have the personnel for that; you need a competent front row and a high percentage goal-kicker. So can anyone see him making a big difference?
They are odd comments as Gatland has been vocal in noting that he doesn't pay too much attention to the set piece (going back to his Wasps days).
Wilson will make a huge difference. Hell, we even scored a try from a maul on the weekend.
I'm sorry but you can't think that if you've watched many games under the Gatland regime - so it leads me to believe that you haven't.
You were right about Gatland being vocal at least.
I've watched them all, mate. And I remember it being the same at Wasps. Sorry.
It was similar at Waikato too, do you remember those days?
It's about having a strong set-piece, accumulating points and ground from that, and utilising big ball carriers. Granted he's moving away from this now as we have some different players throughout the squad. The U20 teams under Wilson were the exact same. It leads me to believe that is his style.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
GavinDragon wrote:The decline in standard in your backline is astonishing.
I mean, over the years, you have had the likes of halfpenny roberts laulala, shanklin, rees, blair, sweeney, robinson
plus the other Robinson, Marc Stcherbina, Richie Rees, Jason Spice. I think that's it.
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wales606 wrote:Team for Zebre,
Interesting to see Ethan Lewis play his first pro12 game over Rhys Williams at hooker.
Cardiff Blues v Zebre Rugby – BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park – 2:30pm KO
15 Dan Fish, 14 Aled Summerhill, 13 Tom Isaacs, 12 Gavin Evans, 11 Tom James, 10 Rhys Patchell, 9 Tavis Knoyle;
1 Sam Hobbs, 2 Ethan Lewis, 3 Taufa’ao Filise, 4 Jarrad Hoeata, 5 James Down, 6 Josh Turnbull, 7 Josh Navidi (c), 8 Manoa Vosawai
Replacements: 16 Rhys Williams, 17 Thomas Davies, 18 Craig Mitchell, 19 Macauley Cook, 20 Ellis Jenkins, 21 Lewis Jones, 22 Gareth Davies, 23 Garyn Smith
http://www.rugbydump.com/2009/12/1236/taufaao-filise-scores-a-great-prop-try-for-cardiff-blues
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
mikey_dragon wrote:PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Wilson is a coach who coaches a style of play very similar to Gatland. Blues don't have the personnel for that; you need a competent front row and a high percentage goal-kicker. So can anyone see him making a big difference?
They are odd comments as Gatland has been vocal in noting that he doesn't pay too much attention to the set piece (going back to his Wasps days).
Wilson will make a huge difference. Hell, we even scored a try from a maul on the weekend.
I'm sorry but you can't think that if you've watched many games under the Gatland regime - so it leads me to believe that you haven't.
You were right about Gatland being vocal at least.
I've watched them all, mate. And I remember it being the same at Wasps. Sorry.
It was similar at Waikato too, do you remember those days?
It's about having a strong set-piece, accumulating points and ground from that, and utilising big ball carriers. Granted he's moving away from this now as we have some different players throughout the squad. The U20 teams under Wilson were the exact same. It leads me to believe that is his style.
Cementball doesn't give a tuppeny toss about the set piece. You're right about the aim of the game being attrition but this is brought through forcing the other team to defend against big runners and going he'll for leather at the breakdown. He doesn't care about the set piece because he's not that bothered about having the ball.
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Great start to the season! Now for a horrible series of away games!
Still, neither leinster or Munster did well without their internationals this week and Connaught were run close by the dragons.
If we get a few points out of those games it will be a great improvement from last season.
Still, neither leinster or Munster did well without their internationals this week and Connaught were run close by the dragons.
If we get a few points out of those games it will be a great improvement from last season.
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When Sir Stanley referred to Blues as a Region...
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mikey_dragon wrote:The U20 teams under Wilson were the exact same. It leads me to believe that is his style.
It's because Wilson's background is set piece skills, Mikey. You'll have to remember where he cut his coaching teeth.
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mikey_dragon wrote:When Sir Stanley referred to Blues as a Region...
And, as Mark Davies noted, he'd be contractually right to do so.
WRU Articles of Association, and all that.
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PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:When Sir Stanley referred to Blues as a Region...
And, as Mark Davies noted, he'd be contractually right to do so.
WRU Articles of Association, and all that.
But you have come on here and told us that they are not regions and they do not represent anybody other than the city or town from which they play. You have also stated that the WRU have never seen the teams as regions.
I just wish they would stop all this bollox and tell it as it is. When I go down to the Arms Park I go to support Cardiff. There is nothing on show that represents Merthyr, or any other town in the "region". So why don't they just stop using the term.
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But you have come on here and told us that they are not regions and they do not represent anybody other than the city or town from which they play. You have also stated that the WRU have never seen the teams as regions.
I just wish they would stop all this bollox and tell it as it is. When I go down to the Arms Park I go to support Cardiff. There is nothing on show that represents Merthyr, or any other town in the "region". So why don't they just stop using the term.
You do seem confused.
They are clubs or businesses operating Welsh rugby regions (i.e. the development pathway) as per the WRU Articles of Association and the RSA.
They have never been representative sides. Those who place an automatic tie between 'region' and 'representative' have done themselves a disservice. The term is fine, it's your understanding of it that is skewed.
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Ok Phil, what is a region ?
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LordDowlais wrote:Ok Phil, what is a region ?
A number of clubs, based on the old District system, for which the Pro Team has responsibility through the terms of the Development Pathway as laid out in the RSA.
It's why you'll see the map of "Associated Clubs" on the Cardiff Blues website listed as it is.
Regions are not, and have never been, there to define supporter lines for that would be lunacy in an area as small as South Wales.
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Why does this happen every 5 minutes with any thread about the Cardiff Blues. Can we start a separate "lets debate what a region is" thread instead?
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Anyway, that was a very promising start. I wouldn't get too carried away however, as I remember the 'Blues region' having a similar start against Zebre last season and we all remember how last season panned out.... I think this year will be different though. Wilson has a positive impact at every team he coaches. I'm actually a bit envious that you have him calling the shots - he is the only coach in Wales who has the capabilities succeed Gatland IMO.
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It doesn't seem as if the OP has been updated? But first team going off the top of my head might look like:
15 Scully, 14 Cuthbert, 13 Allen, 12 Lee-Lo, 11 James, 10 Patchell/Anscombe, 9 Williams/Knoyle.
The pack is a bit more difficult to guess:
1 Jenkins, 2 Dacey, 3 Mitchell, 4 Hoeata, 5 Down? 6 Navidi, 7 Warburton, 8 Vosawai. The back-row is more my pick, than what may be Blues best option.
15 Scully, 14 Cuthbert, 13 Allen, 12 Lee-Lo, 11 James, 10 Patchell/Anscombe, 9 Williams/Knoyle.
The pack is a bit more difficult to guess:
1 Jenkins, 2 Dacey, 3 Mitchell, 4 Hoeata, 5 Down? 6 Navidi, 7 Warburton, 8 Vosawai. The back-row is more my pick, than what may be Blues best option.
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mikey_dragon wrote:It doesn't seem as if the OP has been updated? But first team going off the top of my head might look like:
15 Scully, 14 Cuthbert, 13 Allen, 12 Lee-Lo, 11 James, 10 Patchell/Anscombe, 9 Williams/Knoyle.
The pack is a bit more difficult to guess:
1 Jenkins, 2 Dacey, 3 Mitchell, 4 Hoeata, 5 Down? 6 Navidi, 7 Warburton, 8 Vosawai. The back-row is more my pick, than what may be Blues best option.
I've updated it now off the top of my head.
Pretty much the first choice, not sure if Turnball or Reed would play 5 if everyone was fit though
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Would you really have Turnbull on the pitch though? Not sure if I really rate him..
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Danny Wilson rates him though, he's just signed a new 3 year deal. I would argue he's an asset to the squad and would be in the first 15 more often than not.
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During his career he's been just an average player and perhaps had just 1.5 stellar seasons spread out across that career-span. I don't really rate the guy at back-row because he's a lazy runner and isn't very good at the breakdown; and for 2nd row he is a bit lightweight. It would make sense to retain him of course, but if it was me I wouldn't be relying on him to make a difference in the first team.
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mikey_dragon wrote:During his career he's been just an average player and perhaps had just 1.5 stellar seasons spread out across that career-span. I don't really rate the guy at back-row because he's a lazy runner and isn't very good at the breakdown; and for 2nd row he is a bit lightweight. It would make sense to retain him of course, but if it was me I wouldn't be relying on him to make a difference in the first team.
I agree fully with this but, and maybe this is just me trying to make sense of it all, remember that we play half of our games on a plastic pitch and Turnball's game is suited to that kind of surface. On a soggy Glaswegian mud bath, he's useless.
There's also the need to employ players based on their nationality, and not their talent, to consider.
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PhilBB he's looked that way a lot on the Blues home surface in the past. But to be fair to him he was still going by the eightieth minute against Zebrea so perhaps right it's a case of getting back into it...
Yes there is that too. In that instance I'd be scouring the academy and premiership teams. Where is Watts-Jones? He always looked like a good player to me.
Yes there is that too. In that instance I'd be scouring the academy and premiership teams. Where is Watts-Jones? He always looked like a good player to me.
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mikey_dragon wrote:PhilBB he's looked that way a lot on the Blues home surface in the past. But to be fair to him he was still going by the eightieth minute against Zebrea so perhaps right it's a case of getting back into it...
Yes there is that too. In that instance I'd be scouring the academy and premiership teams. Where is Watts-Jones? He always looked like a good player to me.
The Zebre game means nothing.
Watts-Jones retired last year because of concussion, Mikey.
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Oh I had no idea, and he is still listed as a back-row in the article body. That's a big shame for him and his team.
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mikey_dragon wrote:Oh I had no idea, and he is still listed as a back-row in the article body. That's a big shame for him and his team.
The squad in the OP is out of date, last years I think, people like Daf Hewitt are on there and he's also had to retire due to injury. The Watts-Jones retirement was down to too many concussions, shame as still quite young. Now he did put his head where it hurts.
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Don Blues wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:Oh I had no idea, and he is still listed as a back-row in the article body. That's a big shame for him and his team.
The squad in the OP is out of date, last years I think, people like Daf Hewitt are on there and he's also had to retire due to injury. The Watts-Jones retirement was down to too many concussions, shame as still quite young. Now he did put his head where it hurts.
Sorry it this seasons squad but Hewitt, Watts-Jones and Humberstone need to be taken out
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PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:During his career he's been just an average player and perhaps had just 1.5 stellar seasons spread out across that career-span. I don't really rate the guy at back-row because he's a lazy runner and isn't very good at the breakdown; and for 2nd row he is a bit lightweight. It would make sense to retain him of course, but if it was me I wouldn't be relying on him to make a difference in the first team.
I agree fully with this but, and maybe this is just me trying to make sense of it all, remember that we play half of our games on a plastic pitch and Turnball's game is suited to that kind of surface. On a soggy Glaswegian mud bath, he's useless.
There's also the need to employ players based on their nationality, and not their talent, to consider.
Aye, box ticked and all that.
BTW, will the quota matter be addressed when the new PA is re-done?
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Cardiff Dave wrote:PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:During his career he's been just an average player and perhaps had just 1.5 stellar seasons spread out across that career-span. I don't really rate the guy at back-row because he's a lazy runner and isn't very good at the breakdown; and for 2nd row he is a bit lightweight. It would make sense to retain him of course, but if it was me I wouldn't be relying on him to make a difference in the first team.
I agree fully with this but, and maybe this is just me trying to make sense of it all, remember that we play half of our games on a plastic pitch and Turnball's game is suited to that kind of surface. On a soggy Glaswegian mud bath, he's useless.
There's also the need to employ players based on their nationality, and not their talent, to consider.
Aye, box ticked and all that.
BTW, will the quota matter be addressed when the new PA is re-done?
would you rather their not be a NWQ quota?
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would you rather their not be a NWQ quota?
The quota is wage inflationary. The payment system in Welsh rugby is all to pot.
In its wisdom, the WRU seeks a minimum number of Welsh qualified players per team so that means that, for example, Cardiff are incentivised to employ Gavin Evans even though he'll never play for Wales again. Evans knows that he is more valuable in Wales than outside of it, because of the need to employ Welsh players, so his wage hikes upwards.
This creates the crazy situation where, as an example, Halfpenny can earn more OUTSIDE of Wales whilst Evans can earn more INSIDE of Wales.
The system is self defeating.
What should be done is that a hefty payment is made by the WRU for players selected for its national squads - a payment greater than the cost to the club of that player playing for Wales. Once the club makes a 'profit' on supplying players then they are encouraged to supply more.
The club will then say "if I want to make a profit on Garyn Smith playing for Wales, his development is better served playing alongside a top ex-SH international than it is alongside Gavin Evans". This removes the false ceiling of nWq players, thus reducing the cost of average Welsh players who will never play for Wales.
Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
GavinDragon wrote:Cardiff Dave wrote:PhilBB wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:During his career he's been just an average player and perhaps had just 1.5 stellar seasons spread out across that career-span. I don't really rate the guy at back-row because he's a lazy runner and isn't very good at the breakdown; and for 2nd row he is a bit lightweight. It would make sense to retain him of course, but if it was me I wouldn't be relying on him to make a difference in the first team.
I agree fully with this but, and maybe this is just me trying to make sense of it all, remember that we play half of our games on a plastic pitch and Turnball's game is suited to that kind of surface. On a soggy Glaswegian mud bath, he's useless.
There's also the need to employ players based on their nationality, and not their talent, to consider.
Aye, box ticked and all that.
BTW, will the quota matter be addressed when the new PA is re-done?
would you rather their not be a NWQ quota?
Probably.
As PhilBB has pointed out, the 4 would seem to be paying top dollar for mediocrity just because it ticks the Welsh box. Also, my suspicion is that this same policy creates a comfort zone of sorts for some and I do wonder if the players' agents peddle their Welsh wares amongst the 4, looking for the best cash offer for those who'll never wear the Wales jersey. A half the price, keen and hungry young English lad would do for me.
I think the matter needs addressing at least.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
Why is the CAP shop shut on RWC matchdays?
"Join us at the RWC Official Fanzone.
Over the last few weeks Cardiff Council staff have been working hard to transform the home of Cardiff Blues and Cardiff RFC into an official Rugby World Cup Fanzone.
Over the last few weeks Cardiff Council staff have been working hard to transform the home of Cardiff Blues and Cardiff RFC into an official Rugby World Cup Fanzone.
The Fanzone will include a big screen; with live Rugby World Cup 2015 matches as well as opportunities for fans to engage in rugby activities, sponsors and partner's activation, food and drink, entertainment and unique regional content. Where better to join the nationwide celebration of rugby than at the iconic rugby venue?
The opening weekend will see England v Fiji this Friday, Ireland take on Canada on September 19, and Wales v Uruguay the following day. Fiji will feature in the next two matches, against Australia on September 23 and Wales on October 1, before the World Champions New Zealand take on Georgia on October 2.
For more information about the RWC2015 Fanzone click HERE.
Please note that on Rugby World Cup matchdays there is no public car parking available at BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park. Also [The Lounge] will only be open to members and the BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park store will be closed. A limited number of guest passes are available to members, for guest passes please contact Karl Williams on 02920 302002."
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/7813.php#.Vfm-ZvQk8SU
"Join us at the RWC Official Fanzone.
Over the last few weeks Cardiff Council staff have been working hard to transform the home of Cardiff Blues and Cardiff RFC into an official Rugby World Cup Fanzone.
Over the last few weeks Cardiff Council staff have been working hard to transform the home of Cardiff Blues and Cardiff RFC into an official Rugby World Cup Fanzone.
The Fanzone will include a big screen; with live Rugby World Cup 2015 matches as well as opportunities for fans to engage in rugby activities, sponsors and partner's activation, food and drink, entertainment and unique regional content. Where better to join the nationwide celebration of rugby than at the iconic rugby venue?
The opening weekend will see England v Fiji this Friday, Ireland take on Canada on September 19, and Wales v Uruguay the following day. Fiji will feature in the next two matches, against Australia on September 23 and Wales on October 1, before the World Champions New Zealand take on Georgia on October 2.
For more information about the RWC2015 Fanzone click HERE.
Please note that on Rugby World Cup matchdays there is no public car parking available at BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park. Also [The Lounge] will only be open to members and the BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park store will be closed. A limited number of guest passes are available to members, for guest passes please contact Karl Williams on 02920 302002."
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/7813.php#.Vfm-ZvQk8SU
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
They've run out of pink cowboy hats and Hook for Wales T-shirts?Cardiff Dave wrote:Why is the CAP shop shut on RWC matchdays?
"Join us at the RWC Official Fanzone.
Over the last few weeks Cardiff Council staff have been working hard to transform the home of Cardiff Blues and Cardiff RFC into an official Rugby World Cup Fanzone.
Over the last few weeks Cardiff Council staff have been working hard to transform the home of Cardiff Blues and Cardiff RFC into an official Rugby World Cup Fanzone.
The Fanzone will include a big screen; with live Rugby World Cup 2015 matches as well as opportunities for fans to engage in rugby activities, sponsors and partner's activation, food and drink, entertainment and unique regional content. Where better to join the nationwide celebration of rugby than at the iconic rugby venue?
The opening weekend will see England v Fiji this Friday, Ireland take on Canada on September 19, and Wales v Uruguay the following day. Fiji will feature in the next two matches, against Australia on September 23 and Wales on October 1, before the World Champions New Zealand take on Georgia on October 2.
For more information about the RWC2015 Fanzone click HERE.
Please note that on Rugby World Cup matchdays there is no public car parking available at BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park. Also [The Lounge] will only be open to members and the BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park store will be closed. A limited number of guest passes are available to members, for guest passes please contact Karl Williams on 02920 302002."
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/7813.php#.Vfm-ZvQk8SU
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
Stone Motif wrote:They've run out of pink cowboy hats and Hook for Wales T-shirts?Cardiff Dave wrote:Why is the CAP shop shut on RWC matchdays?
"Join us at the RWC Official Fanzone.
Over the last few weeks Cardiff Council staff have been working hard to transform the home of Cardiff Blues and Cardiff RFC into an official Rugby World Cup Fanzone.
Over the last few weeks Cardiff Council staff have been working hard to transform the home of Cardiff Blues and Cardiff RFC into an official Rugby World Cup Fanzone.
The Fanzone will include a big screen; with live Rugby World Cup 2015 matches as well as opportunities for fans to engage in rugby activities, sponsors and partner's activation, food and drink, entertainment and unique regional content. Where better to join the nationwide celebration of rugby than at the iconic rugby venue?
The opening weekend will see England v Fiji this Friday, Ireland take on Canada on September 19, and Wales v Uruguay the following day. Fiji will feature in the next two matches, against Australia on September 23 and Wales on October 1, before the World Champions New Zealand take on Georgia on October 2.
For more information about the RWC2015 Fanzone click HERE.
Please note that on Rugby World Cup matchdays there is no public car parking available at BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park. Also [The Lounge] will only be open to members and the BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park store will be closed. A limited number of guest passes are available to members, for guest passes please contact Karl Williams on 02920 302002."
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/7813.php#.Vfm-ZvQk8SU
Pink coal miner helmets shewerly?
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
I'd imagine it's so no revenue can be spent on rugby merchandise elsewhere except for RWC related items. They also have that 'matchday experience' tent in CAP too so that may have something to do with it.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
gcBlues wrote:I'd imagine it's so no revenue can be spent on rugby merchandise elsewhere except for RWC related items. They also have that 'matchday experience' tent in CAP too so that may have something to do with it.
Thought so and we must be raking it in by the truck load with all this RWC mania.
Good ole CAP!
Saw Mike Hall on the telly last Sunday. Had to immediately switch channels.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
Cardiff Dave wrote:gcBlues wrote:I'd imagine it's so no revenue can be spent on rugby merchandise elsewhere except for RWC related items. They also have that 'matchday experience' tent in CAP too so that may have something to do with it.
Thought so and we must be raking it in by the truck load with all this RWC mania.
Good ole CAP!
Saw Mike Hall on the telly last Sunday. Had to immediately switch channels.
Glad it's not only me who throws up a little bit when he starts spouting off.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
Stone Motif wrote:Cardiff Dave wrote:gcBlues wrote:I'd imagine it's so no revenue can be spent on rugby merchandise elsewhere except for RWC related items. They also have that 'matchday experience' tent in CAP too so that may have something to do with it.
Thought so and we must be raking it in by the truck load with all this RWC mania.
Good ole CAP!
Saw Mike Hall on the telly last Sunday. Had to immediately switch channels.
Glad it's not only me who throws up a little bit when he starts spouting off.
Didn't hear a word he said thankfully and i'm almost sure it's his first appearance on telly since you know what.
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
"embarrassing" and "diabolical" Cardiff bloos.....
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/7876.php#.VjUZm2vVZSN
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/7876.php#.VjUZm2vVZSN
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Re: Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach
The most embarrassing and diabolical part of that post is your use of the word bloos, why don't you just go and give your support to the team that you really support and that is Cardiff RFC, and leave the Cardiff Blues and the rest of the Region who want to follow and support a team with the betterment of Welsh Rugby at heart.Cardiff Dave wrote:"embarrassing" and "diabolical" Cardiff bloos.....
http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/7876.php#.VjUZm2vVZSN
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