Amie Khan vs Chris Algieri

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So it's now been confirmed that Amir will be fighting Pacquiaos left over chewed up steak in Chris Algieri....

Chris is well known mainly to his upset of Provodnikov and for also being absolutely dismantled by the Pacman.....

Is this a good fight for Khan? Will he get some stick? Can Chris pull off the upset??

On a side note, this will be an utter chess match....Khan wins via UD

Oh crumbs, is it on is it off? Wake me up when they have gloves on!

mobilemaster8 wrote:Completely agree ONETWO

Brook has indeed fought a bunch of nobodies apart from porter....so the records are incomparable.

Brook isn't as big a name as Khan so of course they will jump on his popularity both here and across the pond to build his name....wasn't Witter doing something similar with Hatton and don't most do it with Floyd?

And you say Molina errrrr Diaz errrrr Callazo but add to that Devon Alexander and now potentially either Broner or Algieri....they are absolutely MILES ahead then Jo Jo Dan or Carson Jons buddy

Devon Alexander is above those two but Molina, Diaz and Collazo add nothing to the argument, they are around the level of Dan, Jones, Senchenko or Jackiewicz. Add in that Brook has beaten Porter for a world title then his credentials at Welterweight are higher than those of Khan.

You have a habit of immediately calling any Brook opponent useless or a bum while at the same time eulogising over Khan's recent opposition, every boxer mentioned with the exception of Jones, Diaz and Molina are/were world level Welterweights.

What does it say about Porter if he took 24 rounds to get the win against Diaz then?

hampo171 wrote:What does it say about Porter if he took 24 rounds to get the win against Diaz then?

What does it say about Khan that he scraped to victory over Diaz, he doesn't have a single notable win at Welterweight to ever be considered world level.

Never said it was a good win did I? I was pointing out how everyone uses Khan struggling with Diaz to win any argument, but this never gets brought up regarding Porter.

Anyway Dan is on a level with Molina, but below Diaz and Collazo even at this stage of their career.

Dan is comfortably above Molina and Diaz, neither of whom have any sort of form at the weight, don't be fooled by the fact he got obliterated by a better boxer.

Diaz gets brought up a lot with regards to Khan because that fight follows a very clear pattern that he struggles with pressure, a pattern that isn't there for Porter at the moment.

Khan and Brook are at a stage where fights with Algieri or Gavin are pathetic, they are both clearly above that level and it's not hard to find a decent opponent at Welterweight. You could probably find a worthwhile opponent who isn't even ranked in the top ten.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:There are just so many better options than Algieri, Brook or Bradley

Maidana, Berto, Porter, Rios, Guerrero or chaves are all more danerous than Algieri as they have at least something to worry khan

Maidana - isn't fighting in the next couple of months, and Khan is in no position to tell a fighter of Maidana's calibre to fight on short notice.

Berto - maybe 4 years ago, Algieri is clearly the superior fight no doubt - lets not forget he beat Provodkinov, so what he got battered by pac, we're talking about an ATG here, Berto is also from the same Camp, on top of that he's shot to sh1t

Porter - He's building himself up, hasn't made himself available - would be a good fight

Rios - Algieri has been better in recent times

Guerrero - in what world would Guerrero be able to fight before July, and no way better than Algieri

Chaves - Algieri much more superior than him, but harder stylistic fight - but fans would just ignore that...nothing to gain from that fight

Guerrero is better than Algieri without a shadow of a doubt and fans wouldn't ignore Chaves being a harder stylistic fight, it's what the fans want to see. It doesn't take a genius to work out why those six names were selected, they are all come forward pressure fighters who like to throw a lot of punches.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Dan is comfortably above Molina and Diaz, neither of whom have any sort of form at the weight, don't be fooled by the fact he got obliterated by a better boxer.

Diaz gets brought up a lot with regards to Khan because that fight follows a very clear pattern that he struggles with pressure, a pattern that isn't there for Porter at the moment.

Khan and Brook are at a stage where fights with Algieri or Gavin are pathetic, they are both clearly above that level and it's not hard to find a decent opponent at Welterweight. You could probably find a worthwhile opponent who isn't even ranked in the top ten.

Jo jo Dan wasn't better than Diaz

Isn't Jo Jo dan, the same fighter that scraped past an old Forbes couple of years ago due to a cut in friday night Fights

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Guerrero is better than Algieri without a shadow of a doubt and fans wouldn't ignore Chaves being a harder stylistic fight, it's what the fans want to see. It doesn't take a genius to work out why those six names were selected, they are all come forward pressure fighters who like to throw a lot of punches.

I can see why people think Guerrero is better than Algieri, but I dont really see it, he might have an edge, but all he's never really beaten a good fighter, yh sure he beat an overrated Berto, but ok I'll go with you and say guerrero is the better fighter - I think they're same level fighters, how will he be able to fight in couple of months time, when he got beat up by thurman.

When it comes to khan, people just forget about logic and hate, Guerrero fight would be impossible to make, and Guerrero was offered a fight and turned it down before he fought thurman.

In my opinion people would ignore Chaves as a threat due to styles - but fine even if they dont - how will they sell this fight, fact is Algieri through his fight vs Pacquiao is a bigger name, also a former World champion, its an easier sell to most fans, anyone who follows boxing a bit, knows who algieri is, chaves, no one has a clue (thats from personal experience of fighters becoming known after fighting a name).

People need to remember, this is also a business.

A fight with Algieri isn't going to sell either and it isn't as if Chaves has been fighting nobodies; Thurman, Rios and Bradley are all fairly well known does that mean he too is now a name?

Why should we care if it sells well or not anyway, we as fans want to see interesting fights something Chaves could potentially be but Algieri will not be.

Am not saying we shouldn't want Chaves type of fight, fact is, you also have to think about it from the fighters side of things.

Chaves has fought decent guys I agree, but not a superstar, I'll give you an example, before Brook fought Senchenko all the casual fans were excited...like they knew anything about this guy before he fought hatton - eventhough he fought a good fighter in Paulie, same way Algieri is more known because he failed to get out of his cage vs Pacquiao...thats just the way it works...

Now if it was a fight that would sell and be a better fight and it made sense to have it in the next 8 weeks..then sure bashing Khan will be justified.

But the thing is Khan once again waited around for Floyd to long and everyone else made plans

Chaves is a much much bette rfight than Algieri, Algieri has had one win his whole career which is a win over the tough but limited Provdnikov who a lot of people thought he was lucky to win

Guerrero has proven his pedigree far more than algieri and would easily beat him if they ever fought

KO-KING wrote:Am not saying we shouldn't want Chaves type of fight, fact is, you also have to think about it from the fighters side of things.

Chaves has fought decent guys I agree, but not a superstar, I'll give you an example, before Brook fought Senchenko all the casual fans were excited...like they knew anything about this guy before he fought hatton - eventhough he fought a good fighter in Paulie, same way Algieri is more known because he failed to get out of his cage vs Pacquiao...thats just the way it works...

Now if it was a fight that would sell and be a better fight and it made sense to have it in the next 8 weeks..then sure bashing Khan will be justified.

But the thing is Khan once again waited around for Floyd to long and everyone else made plans

The difference is though that Senchenko beat Hatton so was easier to market to UK market in that light. Apart from Manny P there's not really any name on Algieri's CV that the public will know.

Brook vs Chaves would be acceptable. A guy that fought Bradley and gave him a tough night.....was in an ugly war with rios and if I remember rightly wobbled Thurman early on?

Would be a god I tough scrap for Kell to see if he has overcome his complacency like he showed when in with lower opposition previously.

Chaves is a much much better step up than Jo Jo Dan or Senchenko in my eyes.

With him wanting so many fights though,I'll be surprised if he fights anyone of note. Be great if he did a Carl froch and just fought quality figures back to back and tested himself as champ

Algieri is crap. Always was crap. Always will be crap.

End of.

Khan has already been made to look like a dimwit once by waiting around for FMJ to fight him. Nothing to suggest he's at the top of the queue having never beaten a top 5 WW.

Khan has already been offered the Mayweather fight in the past and beating a top 5 welterweight has nothing to do with getting a shot. Al Haymon is advisor to both. You beat the guys he tells you to beat.

My issue is simple. Khan has been treading water too long. If may and pac rematch then what? 2015 down the toilet to rival 2014 for meaninglessness.

2014 down the toilet? Strange how perceptions have shifted since Brook has started making noise. I remember the Collazo and Alexander fights were generally viewed as good fights for Khan with a few people tipping an upset.

I cant help but feel that Khan would be held in higher regard if he actually made an attempt to avenge his losses.

Admittedly the Peterson rematch being called off was not his fault but the defeats to Prescott and Garcia could and should have been avenged.

It's possible the Garcia rematch hasn't happened due to boxing politics but i personally believe if Khan really wanted to avenge either loss he would have demanded and been granted the opportunity to do so.

Each Khan defeat seems to follow a subsequent pattern of rebuilding through a change of personnel in his corner, take a few low risk fights to regain confidence and then lose when stepping up against a pressure fighter who can bang a bit

Probably doesnt win anything from peterson, peterson first fight was close and Peterson was on soemthing, and since then hes been wiped out by matthysse and will probably lose to garcoa this weekend

I'd like to see garcia again, khan can outbox him but garcia always rises to the occasion when hes not the favourite and knows he can hurt khan and wipe him up