Amie Khan vs Chris Algieri

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So it's now been confirmed that Amir will be fighting Pacquiaos left over chewed up steak in Chris Algieri....

Chris is well known mainly to his upset of Provodnikov and for also being absolutely dismantled by the Pacman.....

Is this a good fight for Khan? Will he get some stick? Can Chris pull off the upset??

On a side note, this will be an utter chess match....Khan wins via UD

Khan isn't waiting for mayweather. He knows Mayweather will rematch Manny in September and then retire. He isn't ducking Brooke, either.  He's simply avoiding him out of spite, because he doesn't want to grant him a payday. That what I think,  anyway.

I dont think Khan has any say in his opponent. I think he would fight whoever is put in front of him but really his opponents have been cherry picked since the Maidana fight and all the more so in the last couple of years since Garcia beat him. I dont know if they are trying to still keep him on standby for a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight or if they dont want to put him in a really risky fight so close to the May 2nd date.

3fingers wrote:Khan isn't waiting for mayweather. He knows Mayweather will rematch Manny in September and then retire. He isn't ducking Brooke, either.  He's simply avoiding him out of spite, because he doesn't want to grant him a payday. That what I think,  anyway.

Rubbish

Brook has the tools to beat Khan and Khan and co know it. If they looked at Brook as someone Khan could beat with his speed (because thats all he has) then the fight would have been made. Do you not think that team Khan would jump at the opportunity to de throne a champion and pick up a strap which would bring more to the bargining table in order to make a unification fight with either Money or Pac?

Having thought about I wonder if this is Al Haymons insurance policy should Mayweather comfortably beat Manny. Id agree with mack about the rematch but I don't think Mayweather can afford to be complacent and it's entirely possible that he shuts Manny out and renders a rematch unsellable.

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Saw the tweet he was offered Bradley but went for Algieri, not even ranked at WW and has a victory over a guy who Truss thinks is total garbage.

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^^ No chance Floyd is shutting out Manny - it'll be a close tactical fight

ShahenshahG wrote:Having thought about I wonder if this is Al Haymons insurance policy should Mayweather comfortably beat Manny. Id agree with mack about the rematch but I don't think Mayweather can afford to be complacent and it's entirely possible that he shuts Manny out and renders a rematch unsellable.

That's been my assumption.

I think the first part of the policy, is to make sure floyd throttles back after buillding up a sizeable lead. Manny's apparent late charge, although in vain, gives everyone reason to speculate that he'd worked floyd out and just needed to step on the gas a round earlier next time. The rematch is secure, and even bigger than the first.

A licence to print money.

Stop the "ducking" comments, it makes you all look like you don't realise boxing is a business.

Khan won't fight anybody "live" until he either gets the Manny and/or Floyd fights or it becomes clear they won't fight him.

He needs to maximise the value of his career and he will not get Manny or Floyd if he loses. The fight with Brook will sell EVEN if he loses to Manny and Floyd. So, Manny or Floyd first, Brook later. Its very simple business. Not sure why so many don't get it.

In fact, Brook will probably just get bigger as the hype builds. Brook can wait.

A little surprised Khan chose Algieri. I thought it looked like Broner was next up. Maybe Broner's team didn't fancy it?

Happytravelling wrote:Stop the "ducking" comments, it makes you all look like you don't realise boxing is a business.

Khan won't fight anybody "live" until he either gets the Manny and/or Floyd fights or it becomes clear they won't fight him.

He needs to maximise the value of his career and he will not get Manny or Floyd if he loses. The fight with Brook will sell EVEN if he loses to Manny and Floyd. So, Manny or Floyd first, Brook later. Its very simple business. Not sure why so many don't get it.

In fact, Brook will probably just get bigger as the hype builds. Brook can wait.

A little surprised Khan chose Algieri. I thought it looked like Broner was next up. Maybe Broner's team didn't fancy it?

More rubbish Khan love.

face it your boy turned down a great opportunity both fianacially and career rewarding its a duck no matter how you look at it.

And Broner did'nt fancy it?????? So why would Broner call Khan out over and over again?

Biggest joke in boxing.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

Happytravelling wrote:Stop the "ducking" comments, it makes you all look like you don't realise boxing is a business.

Khan won't fight anybody "live" until he either gets the Manny and/or Floyd fights or it becomes clear they won't fight him.

He needs to maximise the value of his career and he will not get Manny or Floyd if he loses. The fight with Brook will sell EVEN if he loses to Manny and Floyd. So, Manny or Floyd first, Brook later. Its very simple business. Not sure why so many don't get it.

In fact, Brook will probably just get bigger as the hype builds. Brook can wait.

A little surprised Khan chose Algieri. I thought it looked like Broner was next up. Maybe Broner's team didn't fancy it?

More rubbish Khan love.

face it your boy turned down a great opportunity both fianacially and career rewarding its a duck no matter how you look at it.

And Broner did'nt fancy it?????? So why would Broner call Khan out over and over again?

Biggest joke in boxing.

Robinson reneged on Turpin 3............Solomon showed Ring magazine the contract....Have the magazine has Charles - Walcott 4 robbery on the front..Sept 52.........

The consensus number 1 a coward ????...............Not in my book...

Happy is right just leave out with all the ducking crap..

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

Happytravelling wrote:Stop the "ducking" comments, it makes you all look like you don't realise boxing is a business.

Khan won't fight anybody "live" until he either gets the Manny and/or Floyd fights or it becomes clear they won't fight him.

He needs to maximise the value of his career and he will not get Manny or Floyd if he loses. The fight with Brook will sell EVEN if he loses to Manny and Floyd. So, Manny or Floyd first, Brook later. Its very simple business. Not sure why so many don't get it.

In fact, Brook will probably just get bigger as the hype builds. Brook can wait.

A little surprised Khan chose Algieri. I thought it looked like Broner was next up. Maybe Broner's team didn't fancy it?

More rubbish Khan love.

face it your boy turned down a great opportunity both fianacially and career rewarding its a duck no matter how you look at it.

And Broner did'nt fancy it?????? So why would Broner call Khan out over and over again?

Biggest joke in boxing.

More rubbish Khan hating.

Khan's team are maximising his value. Brook will always be a big domestic fight. There is no hurry.

Why he didn't take the Broner fight, I don't know. But taking press statements has never been a cast iron guide to the more secretive world of contracts.

I think everyone understands he's trying to line up Floyd/Manny safe in the knowledge that when he loses that he can still go and fight Brook.

I think what makes him look like a joke is talking down to Brook as if he's not worthy of sharing a ring with him, telling him to go and fight someone good etc. Then him signing to fight Algieri.

If Khan was as confident as he says he is, then why not take the Brook fight for a lot of money and a belt. Then chase the winner of Floyd/Manny.

He knows Brook may beat him and is running scared as it may ruin his chances of hitting the jackpot of catching Floyd/Manny at the right time.

He'd do himself a lot of favours if he just kept his mouth shut. Brook/Hearn have made him look a bit silly.

Guest82 wrote: Brook/Hearn have made him look a bit silly.

Only with idiots..

Guest82 wrote:I think everyone understands he's trying to line up Floyd/Manny safe in the knowledge that when he loses that he can still go and fight Brook.

I think what makes him look like a joke is talking down to Brook as if he's not worthy of sharing a ring with him, telling him to go and fight someone good etc. Then him signing to fight Algieri.

If Khan was as confident as he says he is, then why not take the Brook fight for a lot of money and a belt. Then chase the winner of Floyd/Manny.

He knows Brook may beat him and is running scared as it may ruin his chances of hitting the jackpot of catching Floyd/Manny at the right time.

He'd do himself a lot of favours if he just kept his mouth shut. Brook/Hearn have made him look a bit silly.

Not really. Trash talking etc. is all part of boxing and the longer it goes on the more tickets it will most likely sell. Doesn't make him any more stupid than virtually every other boxer, in the history of boxing, trash talking and hyping rivalries.

He doesn't think Brook will beat him. But, he is perfectly aware (Prescott) how unexpected losses happen. Even to the very best of them. Truss mentioned Turpin....

He is managing his career. No different to anybody else. Its just shocking so many show exception to him.

Khan is in the same boat as Stevenson, Ward and Floyd.....

With detractors they can do nothing right....

We have a complete idiot on here who thinks Martin Murray is a better win than Manny....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan is in the same boat as Stevenson, Ward and Floyd.....

With detractors they can do nothing right....

We have a complete idiot on here who thinks Martin Murray is a better win than Manny....

Give up TRUSS you are looking silly now.

You dare to put Khan in the same sentence as Ward and Floyd????

Khan has no intention of facing the best around him as he thinks that HE is the best and wants to be mentioned with the likes of Floyd/Manny.

He is a disgrace to the boxing hero's we all grew up with.

Trash talking is fine, but when you are such a hypocrite as Khan then he has to expect people to call him out on it. Brook and Hearn are and I think most people are seeing it for what it is. A duck.

Khan in his own head belongs in the elite bracket but hasn't really done much to deserve it. Once he steps up in class he loses quite often.

I really hope Algieri beats him.

Guest82 wrote:Trash talking is fine, but when you are such a hypocrite as Khan then he has to expect people to call him out on it. Brook and Hearn are and I think most people are seeing it for what it is. A duck.

Khan in his own head belongs in the elite bracket but hasn't really done much to deserve it. Once he steps up in class he loses quite often.

I really hope Algieri beats him.

Once he steps up in class he loses quite often............

Best opponent he's had beat him - Garcia. Also lost to Peterson.

Best he's beaten - Maidana, Alexander (?)

Guest82 wrote:Best opponent he's had beat him - Garcia. Also lost to Peterson.

Best he's beaten - Maidana, Alexander (?)

I know his record..............

When he stepped up in class to fight Peterson.............

You'll know he doesn't belong in the top class then....

I don't think Peterson is in Maidana or Alexander's class........

So saying he often loses when he steps up in class is bollox.........

Because he's beaten better fighters than that cheat who got a gift decision anyway...

Just admit you don't like him........

I don't like him. I liked him when he was a young kid in the Olympics.

But his attitude puts me off liking him now.

He's beaten better fighters than one he lost to? Probably. Wouldn't make him a class above though. He's probably one of 6-8 that may have a claim to be 3rd best Welterweight out there. But, by no means is he a class apart from Brook or many others.

Guest82 wrote:I don't like him. .

Now you tell me....

Clever management from Khan's team, why take a high risk fight against Brook and Broner,with a possible mega bucks fight against Manny or Mayweather around the corner.

Light hitting Algieri is the ticket for Khan, its nothing new in boxing,Khan's management protecting their cash cow, its called boxing politics.

Broner isn't a high risk move for Khan I don't reckon. Think he handily beats him on points. Broner does well to win more than 3 roudns in my view. Just simply outworked, in every round, and doesn't seem to possess that major power punch to turn it around at 147.

How many contenders fight other contenders. ???

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:How many contenders fight other contenders. ???

If we as fans stopped accepting the dross they serve up (or at least are vocal about it) then maybe it will change and this will happen.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:How many contenders fight other contenders. ???

Not enough, clearly. Why boxing suffers.

I agree....But too many managers are worried about the 0......

Also know with so many titles they can get a shot without taking risks..

Not the attitude we should be encouraging as fans however?

Never encouraged it....My argument is for posters to stop singling out boxers they don't like for doing what everybody else does...

Every boxer should be singled out for it Truss, don't care if it's Ward, Khan, Manny or Matthews.

Derbymanc wrote:Every boxer should be singled out for it Truss, don't care if it's Ward, Khan, Manny or Matthews.

No Derby we have to find something similar that happened in the 80's to excuse the fighters we like, then use the same things in reverse on the ones we don't.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Never encouraged it....My argument is for posters to stop singling out boxers they don't like for doing what everybody else does...

The thing is TRUSS those fans you speak of actually fork out hard earned money to watch this sport that they love. Boxing is a niche sport, not followed by the majority of sports fans so those who do folloe boxing and pay to sit ringside or PPV have the right to single out fighters who expect them to pay to watch dross like this up coming farce with Khan and Algeiri.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Never encouraged it....My argument is for posters to stop singling out boxers they don't like for doing what everybody else does...

The thing is TRUSS those fans you speak of actually fork out hard earned money to watch this sport that they love. Boxing is a niche sport, not followed by the majority of sports fans so those who do folloe boxing and pay to sit ringside or PPV have the right to single out fighters who expect them to pay to watch dross like this up coming farce with Khan and Algeiri.

I love football, but I'd rather pick and choose which matches I go to see, same with boxing, if you fancy shelling out on watching Khan/McCloskey type fights then fair enough. I would prefer to wait until a competitive comes out that I'm interested in, not just following a good boxer who's fighting dross. But people have always been idiots with there money.

It's Khans career, he can fight who he wants. I can see why he is doing it too - he thinks he's in line for a shot at the jackpot and doesn't want to face anyone he may lose to, which, given his chin, is quite a few.

But it's the whole hypocrisy I cannot stand, calling out Brook for beating nobody etc. Then expecting people to take this fight seriously.

I think Khan knows that one more defeat that isn't to Mayweather or Pacquaio and people will start to see him for what he is - fringe world class. Or a world class talent with a domestic level chin/brain.

Sorry, i don't agree every fighter avoids big threats. Some think they are actually the best in their division and would take on amyone in their division simply becuase they believe they'll win anyway. Crazy i know... Course, then if those fights can't be made they get told they should move up/down. That's another arguement altogether.

Robbo v Turpin was a bit of a duck. I think Robbo was relieved to have won the return and was very happy to walk away on that note. Doesn't mean he's a coward, even Audrey's not a coward, but avoiding a fight you don't have to take when a bit of the fear factor is involved is a natural thing to do but strictly speaking, it is a duck.

I dont think Khan has much control over who he fights. Hes surely being kept in reserve for a bigger fight. Brook is chasing Khan because its the biggest fight out there for him. Khan is holding out for something bigger, and I suspect is being told continually that his shot will come if he beats who they they tell him to beat. Hes been unlucky he hasnt got the fight already, but his opponents are obviously being hand picked to make him look good. Brook needs to get a move on himself and Matchroom need to staet delivering him some good fights or else he will start to look a bit desperate himself.

catchweight wrote:I dont think Khan has much control over who he fights. Hes surely being kept in reserve for a bigger fight. Brook is chasing Khan because its the biggest fight out there for him. Khan is holding out for something bigger, and I suspect is being told continually that his shot will come if he beats who they they tell him to beat. Hes been unlucky he hasnt got the fight already, but his opponents are obviously being hand picked to make him look good. Brook needs to get a move on himself and Matchroom need to staet delivering him some good fights or else he will start to look a bit desperate himself.

That's why he hasn't got the shot imo.


Because we don't know if he's made any improvement until he fights a puncher.


Unfortunately he clearly isn't prepared to face a puncher in the welterweight division, and it's fairly obvious he moved out of the light welter division because the top fighters in that division are all punchers.


So I think fans think Khan is trying to con his way into a fight with Money Pac.


And maybe, with Al Haymon pulling the strings, he might just pull it off. But personally, I hope Brook gets the shot who I see as more deserving and also has a better win at the weight than Khan in Porter.

Id be pretty certain if Maidana hadnt beaten Broner and then gone on to make a decent fist of his shot at Mayweather, Khan would have already had his fight. He is being advised the whole time that hes knocking on the door for the fight. He has even been offered terms for the fight in the past. Looks like he is just a pawn at the moment in the bigger picture of keeping Mayweather supplied with opponents and keeping the gravy train going. I would say he has better chance than anyone else in the division of being in line to face the winner of the May 2nd date and Algieri has been picked to keep him in place. Another hand picked fighter that gives Khan the opportunity to look sensational against.

There is no justification for this fight at all, it's cynical matchmaking to ensure Khan looks good against an opponent who can't trouble him at all, it is a blatant duck of Brook who I genuinely think Khan fears losing to.

Reports that this fight isn't 100% and Khan has given an interview to clear things up.

hampo171 wrote:Reports that this fight isn't 100% and Khan has given an interview to clear things up.

Seems the hate for the Algieri fight is being recognised...He's saying IBF never offered him the fight...which could be true.

But I remain with what I said earlier that Brook fight can't happen this summer and wont happen this winter, fact is there are 9 weeks left, brook would want atleast a week off, then you will have a massive Sky build up for the fight, with press conferences and interviews... and a full training camp all within 8 weeks?, Hearns even said turn around will be too quick for Brook, but as soon as Khan said it wont happen this summer, Hearns pushed the Idea of Khan ducking.

Also broner has turned down a fight vs Khan before citing, he wont fight at 147, also he's got a fight in June I believe already

But fact is if there is Bradley fight on the table and he chooses Algieri...you can have no excuse for that

KO-KING wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Reports that this fight isn't 100% and Khan has given an interview to clear things up.

Seems the hate for the Algieri fight is being recognised...He's saying IBF never offered him the fight...which could be true.

But I remain with what I said earlier that Brook fight can't happen this summer and wont happen this winter, fact is there are 9 weeks left, brook would want atleast a week off, then you will have a massive Sky build up for the fight, with press conferences and interviews... and a full training camp all within 8 weeks?, Hearns even said turn around will be too quick for Brook, but as soon as Khan said it wont happen this summer, Hearns pushed the Idea of Khan ducking.

Not surprising Hearn has pushed this idea, he knows the casual fans will buy in to it. Only have to look at some of the abuse being thrown his way to see it.

Funny thing is Brook and Hearn are moaning about Khan choosing Algieri, whether true or not, but Hearn is now talking about making Brook vs Gavin. That fight is a lot worse in my opinion.

Isn't Hearn talking about making Bradley against Gavin which given their respective rankings would be a final eliminator for the IBF title?

In another interview last night he mentioned Gavin vs Brook is a possibility instead of Bradley.

There are just so many better options than Algieri, Brook or Bradley

Maidana, Berto, Porter, Rios, Guerrero or chaves are all more danerous than Algieri as they have at least something to worry khan

khan's NEW reasons for not choosing Brook.....

Brook is still unproven due to him having faced largely unknown opposition with limited talent during his career.

His only good opponent he’s faced Shawn Porter, resulted in a fight that was more of a 50-50 fight than a clear win for Brook, according to Khan

Brook and Hearn are just trying to use his name to get attention in the boxing world. By mentioning his name, fans suddenly show interest in Brook. Khan feels that instead of name dropping his name, Brook should turn around and start facing some high quality opposition.  

Say's the man who name dropped Mayweather to death for the last 3 years and in that time he fought errrm Molina, errrm Diaz, errrrrm Collazo

Completely agree ONETWO

Brook has indeed fought a bunch of nobodies apart from porter....so the records are incomparable.

Brook isn't as big a name as Khan so of course they will jump on his popularity both here and across the pond to build his name....wasn't Witter doing something similar with Hatton and don't most do it with Floyd?

And you say Molina errrrr Diaz errrrr Callazo but add to that Devon Alexander and now potentially either Broner or Algieri....they are absolutely MILES ahead then Jo Jo Dan or Carson Jons buddy