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fav Brit/Irish Fighter ever
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Wayne McCullough is mine. Tough as old boots and rarely ever going to be in a dull fight.
Honorable mentions, Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn and Carl Froch.
Froch is hated by some, but I enjoy watching the man box. Great entertaining fighter.
Wayne McCullough is mine. Tough as old boots and rarely ever going to be in a dull fight.
Honorable mentions, Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn and Carl Froch.
Froch is hated by some, but I enjoy watching the man box. Great entertaining fighter.
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Re: fav Brit/Irish Fighter ever
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:milkyboy wrote:TRUSSMAN66 wrote:milkyboy wrote: Truth is Bugner's losing effort against a close to prime joe Frazier is a performance level up from anything cooper did in the ring. Even if joe's borderline pacifism regularly stank the place out.:
Obvious rebuttal is Cooper came closer to beating Ali than Bugner did.............
Ali is a better heavy...than frazier !!
"He lost better than him".......Scraping the barrel......What bollox !!!!
Obvious rebuttal if you haven't watched both fights beefster! Bugner was inconsistent but at his best a better fighter than cooper.
Good to know that comparing performances in defeats (which I didn't to by the way) is scraping the barrel. We can now give equal weighting to duran being rolled like a drunk by hearns as we do to, say, Leonard losing to duran.![]()
Anyway, Is this the new boxing board politics thread? Want to pick up that discussion we had about polls and the electability of ed miliband... that we parked a few years back?
If you were a Man...I'd take you outside and bum you!!.
PS..Don't confuse me with an Ed Miliband fan..
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DAVE667 wrote:TRUSSMAN66 wrote:milkyboy wrote:TRUSSMAN66 wrote:milkyboy wrote: Truth is Bugner's losing effort against a close to prime joe Frazier is a performance level up from anything cooper did in the ring. Even if joe's borderline pacifism regularly stank the place out.:
Obvious rebuttal is Cooper came closer to beating Ali than Bugner did.............
Ali is a better heavy...than frazier !!
"He lost better than him".......Scraping the barrel......What bollox !!!!
Obvious rebuttal if you haven't watched both fights beefster! Bugner was inconsistent but at his best a better fighter than cooper.
Good to know that comparing performances in defeats (which I didn't to by the way) is scraping the barrel. We can now give equal weighting to duran being rolled like a drunk by hearns as we do to, say, Leonard losing to duran.![]()
Anyway, Is this the new boxing board politics thread? Want to pick up that discussion we had about polls and the electability of ed miliband... that we parked a few years back?
If you were a Man...I'd take you outside and bum you!!.
PS..Don't confuse me with an Ed Miliband fan..
Changing a quote like that is probably actionable !! (my lawyer Super can advise me).... I'd hate to see you sharing a cell with Rolf Harris (He's got enough problems as it is).............
Besides I don't bum people .....outside.....
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Well Cooper was pretty long in the tooth by then for sure, Truss (as he said in 2008 when Setanta got him and Bugner together for an interview, by that point his right hand was "only good for wiping away the sweat"), but then again Buger was only twenty-one and pretty green in all likelihood. Other side of his peak to Henry, but not at his peak all the same.
But who wins peak for peak is irrelevant really. What is relevant is that when they did fight, most people seem to have no fundamental issue with Bugner getting the verdict even if they scored the fight for Cooper by a slither due to how close it was - but if you gauged it purely on Cooper's reaction and subsequent hostility towards Bugner and Gibbs, you'd think it was a highway job. Bugner was just doing his job at the end of the day and hindsight (in the sense of his career going on to be a largely disappointing and unfulfilled one) doesn't mean that the media backlash he got in 1971 was justified.
But who wins peak for peak is irrelevant really. What is relevant is that when they did fight, most people seem to have no fundamental issue with Bugner getting the verdict even if they scored the fight for Cooper by a slither due to how close it was - but if you gauged it purely on Cooper's reaction and subsequent hostility towards Bugner and Gibbs, you'd think it was a highway job. Bugner was just doing his job at the end of the day and hindsight (in the sense of his career going on to be a largely disappointing and unfulfilled one) doesn't mean that the media backlash he got in 1971 was justified.
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You could argue that if bugner hadn't a)killed someone in the ring, and b) been vilified over the cooper fight, he might have had a better career. He beat a few half decent yanks and wasn't embarrassed in the first Ali fight.
He was one of those guys that could punch if you made him angry... He just didn't get angry often! And yes, he did stink a few times! Pictures of him by the pool after the Ali world title fight didn't help his cause either.
He was one of those guys that could punch if you made him angry... He just didn't get angry often! And yes, he did stink a few times! Pictures of him by the pool after the Ali world title fight didn't help his cause either.
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88Chris05 wrote:Well Cooper was pretty long in the tooth by then for sure, Truss (as he said in 2008 when Setanta got him and Bugner together for an interview, by that point his right hand was "only good for wiping away the sweat"), but then again Buger was only twenty-one and pretty green in all likelihood. Other side of his peak to Henry, but not at his peak all the same.
But who wins peak for peak is irrelevant really. What is relevant is that when they did fight, most people seem to have no fundamental issue with Bugner getting the verdict even if they scored the fight for Cooper by a slither due to how close it was - but if you gauged it purely on Cooper's reaction and subsequent hostility towards Bugner and Gibbs, you'd think it was a highway job. Bugner was just doing his job at the end of the day and hindsight (in the sense of his career going on to be a largely disappointing and unfulfilled one) doesn't mean that the media backlash he got in 1971 was justified.
I guess If Bugner was only 21 he hadn't perfected lying on the ropes and doing F**k all by then !!
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By getting that decision against Cooper, Bugner found himself as public enemy No1 and the British public never warmed to him, not even when he was fighting Ali and Frazier.That was one of the reasons he left and went to Australia.88Chris05 wrote:Well Cooper was pretty long in the tooth by then for sure, Truss (as he said in 2008 when Setanta got him and Bugner together for an interview, by that point his right hand was "only good for wiping away the sweat"), but then again Buger was only twenty-one and pretty green in all likelihood. Other side of his peak to Henry, but not at his peak all the same.
But who wins peak for peak is irrelevant really. What is relevant is that when they did fight, most people seem to have no fundamental issue with Bugner getting the verdict even if they scored the fight for Cooper by a slither due to how close it was - but if you gauged it purely on Cooper's reaction and subsequent hostility towards Bugner and Gibbs, you'd think it was a highway job. Bugner was just doing his job at the end of the day and hindsight (in the sense of his career going on to be a largely disappointing and unfulfilled one) doesn't mean that the media backlash he got in 1971 was justified.
Cooper never acknowledged or spoke to Harry Gibbs again after the fight with Bugner.
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Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:ZZ wrote:Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Hatton was rubbish and we all know it. Most overachieving boxer ever, no skills just maul foul, push elbow.
not seen much of Hatton then.
Nah he was rubbish and you know it. Way overated by joe public.
You just idolise anything white and working class no matter how technically crap.
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Oh and im white and working class too, just not a sheep.
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ZZ wrote:Oh and im white and working class too, just not a sheep.
Aye, I had a different word in mind for you as well.
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That's the shortest post I've ever seen posted by you Chris.
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Atila wrote:That's the shortest post I've ever seen posted by you Chris.
You should have seen the one when he posted a picture of his willy.
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I only inflict my sprawling, coma-inducing slabs of nothingness on those who really have done something bad to deserve it, Atila.
You know, like people who don't have a bit of a man crush on Ray Leonard and the like.
You know, like people who don't have a bit of a man crush on Ray Leonard and the like.
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ZZ wrote:Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:ZZ wrote:Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Hatton was rubbish and we all know it. Most overachieving boxer ever, no skills just maul foul, push elbow.
not seen much of Hatton then.
Nah he was rubbish and you know it. Way overated by joe public.
You just idolise anything white and working class no matter how technically crap.
I found Hatton boring myself and he lost the plot in the Pacquiao fight but he was neither rubbish or technically crap, his biggest problem was neglecting the technical side of his game; You cannot throw a perfect left hook to the body if you're not technically proficient and he also had a very good quick jab when he decided to use it which unfortunately after Tzuyu was very rarely.
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Hattons problem wasn't a lack of technical skills, it was that he was a f*cking idiot who lead with his face when he had the skills to mount a good aggressive attack mixed with a decentish defense. In addition he spent half his life playing up to his fans by trying to be a burger king mascot. He could have been better than he was but with the guys ahead of him he could never have achieved much more than he did.
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Absolutely no prizes for guessing my picks as being Kirkland Laing and Herol Graham- especially Laing who was the boxing equivalent of a stoned Roy of the Rovers- Spliff out, glove up, bamboozle the opponent then home for a Red Stripe. Both may be remembered as under achievers, but their level of skill was out of this world,and when they were on their game just a joy to watch, and their un-canny knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory made watching them all the more exciting- you were always asking yourself 'is this finally the night when they justify their ability".
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I would have loved to have seen Bomber win a world title, even at 38 Bomber gave Brewer nightmares dropping him twice before running out of gas and getting stopped. Bomber must watch the Jackson fight and cringe, he had it won and got careless. Would have been a certain world champion if he'd been around now IMO.horizontalhero wrote:Absolutely no prizes for guessing my picks as being Kirkland Laing and Herol Graham- especially Laing who was the boxing equivalent of a stoned Roy of the Rovers- Spliff out, glove up, bamboozle the opponent then home for a Red Stripe. Both may be remembered as under achievers, but their level of skill was out of this world,and when they were on their game just a joy to watch, and their un-canny knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory made watching them all the more exciting- you were always asking yourself 'is this finally the night when they justify their ability".
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Nico the gman wrote:I would have loved to have seen Bomber win a world title, even at 38 Bomber gave Brewer nightmares dropping him twice before running out of gas and getting stopped. Bomber must watch the Jackson fight and cringe, he had it won and got careless. Would have been a certain world champion if he'd been around now IMO.horizontalhero wrote:Absolutely no prizes for guessing my picks as being Kirkland Laing and Herol Graham- especially Laing who was the boxing equivalent of a stoned Roy of the Rovers- Spliff out, glove up, bamboozle the opponent then home for a Red Stripe. Both may be remembered as under achievers, but their level of skill was out of this world,and when they were on their game just a joy to watch, and their un-canny knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory made watching them all the more exciting- you were always asking yourself 'is this finally the night when they justify their ability".
Or found a way to lose to today's holders! the frustrating thing with Graham is based on skill only he was the match for any middleweight in history, and I include the likes of Haglar and Monzon in that, but he just couldn't seem to put it all together when it really mattered. And on top of that he was one of boxings nice guys.
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Earlier mention of Gary Mason, whose last ditch attack on Lewis haven taken an absolute pasting is one of the biggest displays of heart I've ever seen in the ring. Eubank is a unique sporting character who happened to be an excellent fighter, which makes him a favourite. Amir Khan was in the first Olympics I remember watching, and I've always wanted him to do well since seeing his raw talent back in 04.
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