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Season 8 Homepage II
First topic message reminder :
2014/2015 – London Wasps
Welcome to Season 8 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
2014/2015 – London Wasps
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
POS | Aviva Premiership | PLAYED | WON | DREW | LOST | P F | P A | P D | T F | T A | TBP | LBP | POINTS | |
1 | Bath Rugby | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
2 | Exeter Chiefs | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
3 | Gloucester | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
4 | Harlequins | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
5 | Leicester Tigers | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
6 | London Irish | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
7 | London Wasps | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
8 | Newcastle Falcons | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
9 | Northampton Saints | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
10 | Sale Sharks | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
11 | Saracens | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
12 | Worcester Warriors | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Links
Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
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Budgets
European Homepage
Anglo Welsh Homepage
Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
Foreign Transfers
Budgets
European Homepage
Anglo Welsh Homepage
Welcome to Season 8 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.
Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 23 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1993.
Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:
- Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.- Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will receive two additional bids to be used exclusively on academy age players. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by the RFU on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.- Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by the RFU against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
Player Draft
Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will participate in a player draft beginning the week of June 22nd. Both sides will be allowed to draft two players each. The draft picks will go as follows; 1. Worcester 2. Wasps 3. Wasps 4. Worcester.
Round Bidding
There will be two rounds of bidding. The first window will run the week starting June 29th and the second the week starting July 3rd. All sides will be allowed to sign one player each during the window. These bids are not protected if you do not have the funds in place to bid during the window you will lose the bid.
Open Bidding
From July 13th the foreign market will be open to all bids similar to previous seasons. Due to the world cup the window will remain open till the end of September.
Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation
Compensation will be paid as follows
£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other
All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 20:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will pm the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.
Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.
In addition, each team must have the following:-
For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.
For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.
At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.
All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).
Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.
If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.
Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.
Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.
Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.
£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
Bonuses will be awarded on a scaled basis i.e. 2m for 5 games, 1.6m for 4 games and so on
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.
AP finishing positions.
Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m
Heineken Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million
Amlin Challenge Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
Anglo-Welsh Cup
Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million
If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.
Last edited by SirJohnnyEnglish on Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:33 pm; edited 9 times in total (Reason for editing : Add in links and tables etc)
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If Dave Kearney puts in a similar performance to last week I'd be tempted to put him and Zebo on the wings for the world cup. Rob hasn't been great the last year or two but looked a different player last weekend and looks to be peaking for the world cup so have to have him at FB.
Elsewhere the only debatable selection is Hendo/Toner. Lineout has been a bit awry without Toner but Hendo beats him everywhere else hands down.
Elsewhere the only debatable selection is Hendo/Toner. Lineout has been a bit awry without Toner but Hendo beats him everywhere else hands down.
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You would think the other lock would be helpful in the lineout and pulling his weight, whoever he is..
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Kearney looked good against Wales I thought.
Bowe hasn't been great for a while, we could see D Kearney/Zebo
Bowe hasn't been great for a while, we could see D Kearney/Zebo
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Shame Trimble wasn't fully fit (I think?) he's the best at wing of the lot
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You'd expect so mate but its been a bit dodgy without Toner recently. Could be more to do with Strauss/Cronin at hook though.
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Henderson off bench makes sense, but I'd start him with POC
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I agree on Trimble Bam. When fully fit he's been the most impressive of the wings at international level. I'd have liked him in the squad over Fitz or even possibly Bowe
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Both Bowe and Trimble played a friendly for Ulster and scored I believe? Was surprised Trimble didn't get in ahead of Fitz, especially with the likes of Earls, Payne, Henshaw and Zebo able to cover centre and fullback.
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Said it a few times but very surprised Fitzy was named after they made room for Cave.
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I read that Trimble's foot injury had flared up , which would explain it
With the injury record of Fitz/Earls wouldn't be surprised if he's called up
With the injury record of Fitz/Earls wouldn't be surprised if he's called up
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Kearney is quality.zebo flatters to deceive for me. A real talent but goes missing in games and is shaky defensively. Ireland lack some quality on the wings. Bowe aside they seem to shuffle through Kearney zebo Trimble etc with none of them nailing it
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Disagree Matt, I reckon Zebo and Trimble have put in more effective performances over the last 2 seasons than Bowe has, although at his best Bowe was one of the best in the NH
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Zebo two years ago was poor defensively and shouldn't have been anywhere near international rugby but after Trimble is probably the best defensively these days! None are world class like Savea/North but Zebo/D Kearney/Trimble would all get into the England side.
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Does Furlong play loose?
or does White?
Kearney starts without doubt.
or does White?
Kearney starts without doubt.
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I'm not sure Zebo, D Kearney and Trimble get into the England side myself.
I wouldn't pick them ahead of Watson or Nowell.
I wouldn't pick them ahead of Watson or Nowell.
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I'd take Trimble and Zebo over May, both offer more than him defensively and are strong in attack. Not sold on Dave Kearney though, I think he's pretty average (hope nobody has him on here)
Agree Steve, I'd prefer Nowell & Watson.
Agree Steve, I'd prefer Nowell & Watson.
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I'd take all three above any of the English wingers currently. Watson the best pure runner of them all but I'd back all three of the Irish lads in the air, Trimble the best carrier, Zebo the best kicker and playmaker of the lot.
Neither have really played LH at senior level Steve. Schmidt must be fairly happy with Healy's recovery or I suspect he would have taken Bent as the 5th prop over Furlong.
Neither have really played LH at senior level Steve. Schmidt must be fairly happy with Healy's recovery or I suspect he would have taken Bent as the 5th prop over Furlong.
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Kearney v Brown is a good contest, the former seems to be picking up his form. Thought he outplayed Halfpenny last week.
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Steven_Sharks wrote:I'm not sure Zebo, D Kearney and Trimble get into the England side myself.
I wouldn't pick them ahead of Watson or Nowell.
I think there's not much between the Ireland back 3 and the England back 3 to be honest, don't think any of the Irish bunch are any better than Brown, Nowell, Watson or May
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anonmattyt wrote:Cowan a massive surprise as he was good in 6 n is he injured
I'm not sure he was Matt past our game and possibly one other. As somebody else mentioned he's a real pen machine and liable to go missing.
Hardie looks the real deal imo, he's a real physical unit. He put in some huge hits against Italy and is great over the ball. I think he'll be a big player for them.
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ChequeredJersey wrote:Steven_Sharks wrote:I'm not sure Zebo, D Kearney and Trimble get into the England side myself.
I wouldn't pick them ahead of Watson or Nowell.
I think there's not much between the Ireland back 3 and the England back 3 to be honest, don't think any of the Irish bunch are any better than Brown, Nowell, Watson or May
Agree cj think it's both sides weakest area. Evidenced by very few of them being an out and out first choice. Saying zebo is solid defensively is odd for me, he is great in the air but clueless in other areas
Of defence like positioning and tackling. Trimble is great defensively but poor ball in hand. Could do the same for lots of england back 3 also. Just not a strong area for both sides or has players in development
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I can't get my head around how Zebo isn't "solid" in defence. I've not noticed him have any issues for years. He's much better than May for example who fecks up almost every game.
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Sorry lads can't agree there. I'd have the Irish back three stronger positionally and kicking wise and much better kick chasing wise. Best pure attacker between the two sides is Watson but he would be behind the Irish lads defensively, aerially and kicking wise.
I'm genuinely surprised you question Zebo positionally Matt. Its the single biggest improvement in his game the last two years and he wasn't caught out of position at all through the 6 nations. Can remember England in particular repeatedly kicking down his wing straight into his hands.
I'm genuinely surprised you question Zebo positionally Matt. Its the single biggest improvement in his game the last two years and he wasn't caught out of position at all through the 6 nations. Can remember England in particular repeatedly kicking down his wing straight into his hands.
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Ireland's game plan suits their wingers, while England's suits theirs - you won't find better kick chasers than Zebo and Bowe, while they don't offer anything like the attacking threat ball in hand of May and Watson. You can see that in the 6Nations and try scoring records for both teams.
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See I'd agree on Watson but everything May does Zebo does as well but he has a better all round game.
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Personally think May is a far better attacker than Zebo, who works well for Ireland and has changed his style to fit in perfectly with Sexton but just don't see him offer the same attacking threat May has.
May's pace sets him apart from Zebo, could never see Zebo scoring the try May did against the ABs, or ripping defences to pieces like May did against France a few weeks ago - saying that he's more consistent than May and all round game is very good.
May's pace sets him apart from Zebo, could never see Zebo scoring the try May did against the ABs, or ripping defences to pieces like May did against France a few weeks ago - saying that he's more consistent than May and all round game is very good.
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See I disagree there Zebo just as quick as May, has the better try scoring record and is a fantastic option at first receiver. Can't see any of the english wingers stepping in like he did against Wales the other week or in the 6 nations. Zebo's the only player allowed to come in 1st receiver and not actually crash it up when Sexton is on the field!
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Just about to board lads, matches kick off tomorrow in early morning for me so hoping to watch them whilst the wife's in bed! Will try to come on now and again whilst I'm away but driver, treat Worcester well!!
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Enjoy Prop
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I remember Driver saying I could Milner-Skudder for Gus Jones, just waiting for your approval Prop
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I don't think I'll approve that one fluxy!
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dammit_chris wrote:Ireland's game plan suits their wingers, while England's suits theirs - you won't find better kick chasers than Zebo and Bowe, while they don't offer anything like the attacking threat ball in hand of May and Watson. You can see that in the 6Nations and try scoring records for both teams.
About right
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SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:See I disagree there Zebo just as quick as May, has the better try scoring record and is a fantastic option at first receiver. Can't see any of the english wingers stepping in like he did against Wales the other week or in the 6 nations. Zebo's the only player allowed to come in 1st receiver and not actually crash it up when Sexton is on the field!
Zebo is more reliable than May, but he ain't quicker. He's as good, no better, with all taken into account
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We will have to agree to disagree. Zebo better at all the basics of wing play for me. Although in fairness to May he is the best kick chaser England have.
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I'd rate Zebo a level above May. I think May gets overrated due to doing one great thing every 10 games or so, Zebo produces more consistently at a higher level imo.
Gas wise there's little in it. Headless chicken wise, May wins I'm afraid.
Gas wise there's little in it. Headless chicken wise, May wins I'm afraid.
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I'm not sure there is a faster wing than May around at the moment.
Don't really see either Irish wing as attacking threats compared to a lot of other international teams, don't think either scored (or looked like scoring) during the 6Nations - but they are used perfectly for their system.
In terms of try scoring threats England's win hands down, but Bowe and Zebo work brilliantly for Ireland who have a very basic gameplan and execute it very well.
Don't really see either Irish wing as attacking threats compared to a lot of other international teams, don't think either scored (or looked like scoring) during the 6Nations - but they are used perfectly for their system.
In terms of try scoring threats England's win hands down, but Bowe and Zebo work brilliantly for Ireland who have a very basic gameplan and execute it very well.
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PREDICTIONS OPEN
You can send predictions to me this week please
You can send predictions to me this week please
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Good finish from May, he's started well. Backs looking much more balanced so far, great pass Youngs
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Haha Bowe flattened
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And then we have the May lack of brains, such an annoying player
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May kick chase superb, front foot ball gives youngs platform to be dangerous
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:And then we have the May lack of brains, such an annoying player
Pulled out. That's actually brains lots of people would have carried on and got the yellow.
Tom youngs started well as has jj
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He's just thick as mince. If he had half a brain he'd be dangerous
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As I say pack win matches and at the moment our pack dominant and allows backs to threaten more
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You still got Zebo as better onbthe air than Watson SJE?
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Where is Johnny and his Zebo comments now lol!!
To be fair that is just superb timing by Watson. Could not get that any better.
To be fair that is just superb timing by Watson. Could not get that any better.
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