Season 8 Homepage II

by Fluxy Sun 09 Aug 2015, 1:25 pm

First topic message reminder :

Breaking News: London Wasps regain their crown following playoff final victory.

Season 8 Homepage II - Page 19 Aviva-Premiership-Trophy-e1306508139154

2014/2015 – London Wasps

2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish

POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Bath Rugby	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2	Exeter Chiefs	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
3	Gloucester	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
4	Harlequins	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
5	Leicester Tigers	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
6	London Irish	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
7	London Wasps	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
8	Newcastle Falcons	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
9	Northampton Saints	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
10	Sale Sharks	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
11	Saracens	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
12	Worcester Warriors	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

Links

Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
Foreign Transfers
Budgets
European Homepage
Anglo Welsh Homepage

Welcome to Season 8 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 23 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1993.

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will receive two additional bids to be used exclusively on academy age players. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by the RFU on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by the RFU against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
Player Draft
Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will participate in a player draft beginning the week of June 22nd. Both sides will be allowed to draft two players each. The draft picks will go as follows; 1. Worcester 2. Wasps 3. Wasps 4. Worcester.

Round Bidding
There will be two rounds of bidding. The first window will run the week starting June 29th and the second the week starting July 3rd. All sides will be allowed to sign one player each during the window. These bids are not protected if you do not have the funds in place to bid during the window you will lose the bid.

Open Bidding
From July 13th the foreign market will be open to all bids similar to previous seasons. Due to the world cup the window will remain open till the end of September.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 20:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will pm the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
Bonuses will be awarded on a scaled basis i.e. 2m for 5 games, 1.6m for 4 games and so on
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by dammit_chris Sat 03 Oct 2015, 9:47 pm

Truly awful. Too many average players, out of form players and no idea what to do with tactics. Just so disappointing. I never thought I would see the day where our scrum gets dismantled by an Australian one.

Embarrassing performance at a home World Cup.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 03 Oct 2015, 9:51 pm

Scrum is the final insult, we've been outplayed in every asset bar line out.

Pocock and Foley outstanding, no good performances for England.

SL and team have to go. We need to build for next WC and bring through the next generation.

by dammit_chris Sat 03 Oct 2015, 10:27 pm

Pocock must have made 6 turnovers and when we dealt with him we couldn't cope with Hooper, who I thought was excellent but should have got at least a yellow for what he did to Brown.

Really can't believe how poor we were. Just had no answer at the breakdown. So disappointing.

by Driver Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:11 pm

Lancaster has too go, I'v been a big fan for the last 4 years but this simply isn't good enough.

by Driver Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:17 pm

Boks really impressive today in there control of the game.

JP try come from Du Preeze calling the maul direction too change so the gap opened up between the maul and Wier.

by Driver Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:24 pm

Atmosphere also great in stadium

by prop_lyd Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:34 pm

Ok Farrell made a big mistake!! I did feel sorry for England but discipline was a big let down and you got let down by the breakdown big time.

by Guest Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:41 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Ford for May????? Take off Barritt or Farrell ffs

Edit: May injured, why no back 3 cover on bench???

Lack of
Back 3
Cover on bench so glaring

by prop_lyd Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:41 pm

Ok Farrell made a big mistake!! I did feel sorry for England but discipline was a big let down and you got let down by the breakdown big time.

by Guest Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:47 pm

It was best atmosphere ever. Genia and foley were immense. Genia bossed everything and made their first 2 tries by calling men in to positions.

Hooper
And pocock an amazing unit.

Cole young and marler got humped again. Fiji and Australia have killed our scrum.

Said years ago when Pete bought him that sio would be top class. He butchered cole but kepu split youngs and marler massively also.

We need Wilson and corbs fit and others to emerge as our front row is awful. Marler out of form
And Cole maybe finished after his injuries.

by Guest Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:50 pm

Driver wrote:Boks really impressive today in there control of the game.

JP try come from Du Preeze calling the maul direction too change so the gap opened up between the maul and Wier.

Du preez a genius

by dammit_chris Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:57 pm

Do you think Lancaster will get sacked though? If he stays he needs better coaches to support him - we always seem to make the wrong calls when big decisions are made.

Desperately need a no7 to come through, but can't see who there is. Can't believe we haven't made it out the group.

by Guest Sun 04 Oct 2015, 12:18 am

Lancaster had a 6yr extension last year ??? The argument is scw failed first time but you always had confidence in Clive.

Lancaster never played or coached at top level and that's the issue

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:26 am

I thought Genia was poor Matt, his distribution was so slow. If Aus had a better 9 on it could have been much worse. Michael Lynagh was cursing him at half time for his 5 steps before passing.

The 2nd try was a set move, Genia didn't call it imo. Not knocking your players but I didn't think Genia played well at all.

Pocock and Foley were on a different planet though, so good.

Shows you where we're at when Aus can select Foley & Pocock and we have Farrell/Ford and Robshaw.

by dammit_chris Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:28 am

Think we need to get rid of the coaches, get more experienced ones in - could see someone like Alex King making a huge difference.

Would actually like a coaching team that took some attacking gambles with selection, like Slade who was excellent on his debut but didnt get a look in, or Jamie George who was the most inform hooker we had.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:30 am

anonmattyt wrote:Lancaster had a 6yr extension last year ??? The argument is scw failed first time but you always had confidence in Clive.

Lancaster never played or coached at top level and that's the issue

He can be sacked apparently, there's a clause in his contract if he doesn't hit certain levels. I'm guessing getting out of the group stage is one.

I don't think playing at the top level matter, loads of top coaches never played Int rugby.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:32 am

We certainly need a clear out Chris.

Our U20 teams are immense, lets get them in and build for the next WC.

by dammit_chris Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:32 am

Also so many naive calls - to think Burgess could be an international class no12 when his club team moved him to no6 as that's where he should play; sticking with Barritt who was nowhere near to match fitness when Burrell could have done a far better job if selected; not having guys like Nowell or Slade on the bench who can cover multiple positions.

Just one of those WC's where nothing actually worked for us - very few come out with any credit, only say BV, Launchbury, Joseph and Brown performed well and Watson and May showed they have great talent. Real shame.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:45 am

Joseph and Brown were easily our best performers. Joseph is a real class act, we just need a 12 to play alongside him.

by dammit_chris Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:51 am

I'd just like us select players who can make a difference in games and play an expansive style as opposed to the Sarries-style that Farrell seems to love (and we execute poorly).

I'd like to see guys like Simpson, Wade, Itoje, LCD, Daly and Clifford given an actual try at international level as each has that 'x factor' that international players need - look at either Slade or Tuilagi as no12 and build the backline around Ford.

Be interesting to see whether Robshaw is made the scapegoat as well.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:55 am

Simpson, Wade, Daly & LCD wouldn't have helped, they're nowhere near good enough.

The squad was pretty much as good as we could have put out bar Armitage, Tuilagi. It's the tactics and just the way we play that doesn't work.

by dammit_chris Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:10 am

Didn't say they should have been at WC, but should be involved now.

Simpson best no9 in Europe in terms of form last year - Wigglesworth and Care weren't and Youngs too inconsistent. Wade one of the most dangerous wingers and top try scorers in the AP over the last 3-4 seasons. Daly exceptional form. LCD future England hooker.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:35 am

Can't agree with any of that Chris.

Simpson - poor basics. At 27 not going to improve
Daly - weak defence, nowhere near Joseph
LCD - his throwing a year or two off, Saxons at best
Wade - defence and high ball miles off. Wing not a weakness.

All of those would weaken us significantly imo. There's bringing through players for the future and then there's bringing through lower standard players for little reason.

I'm thinking players like Clifford, Itoje, Auterac etc

by dammit_chris Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:59 am

Youngs, Wigglesworth and Care basics are great? Would agree if we had a no9 in terms of quality of Murray or Smith but we don't - Simpson was most improved no9 around last season. Deserves a go - personally think he's perfect bench player.

Daly best attacking no13 in the AP, with ability to cover 12-15 and a boot that had 100% accuracy from kicks beyond halfway line last season. Got to be in and around the match day squad.

LCD - Youngs and Webber for throwing? LCD for me is future England starting hooker, but we need Hartley back in as others just aren't up to it. Include him around the squad to build experience.

Wade - work with him and get his positioning correct in defence, if that happened you've got arguably the best finisher in world rugby playing for you.

Simpson is the oldest of those at 26 (or so), they've all be excellent in the AP and have something about them that makes them stand out, as do Clifford and Itoje - I'd have them all in the England EPS - not sure about Auterac, prefer Mullen.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 12:14 pm

Simpson is 27 and not good enough. He was good in the AP last season but he's not as good as Youngs or Care by a long shot. Robson is the next scrum half who could make an impact. Simpson's passing is truly awful, at 27 it's not getting better.

We've done the others to death. Daly's defence is poor and he's behind a quality 13 in Joseph and then Tuilagi.

There's little point in bringing through players like Simpson and Daly imo as they're not good enough. We've got to work with the kids and get a core of talent that can be improved.

LCD has potential but he's throwing is terrible. He'll do well going back to Exeter and nailing the 2 shirt.

I just hope we can find a decent 12 to bring through and not bloody Burgess!

by Driver Sun 04 Oct 2015, 3:00 pm

Moving forward My 32 for the Six Nations would include a lot of changes.

Props: J Marler , M Vunipola , K Brookes , D Wilson , M Mullen
Stand by: D Cole , A Corbisero

Hookers: D Hartley (C) , J George
Stand by: L Cowen Dickie

Locks: J Launchbury , C Lawes , M Ijoje , M Symons

Flankers: T Wood , M Kvesic , J Haskell , S Armitage
stand by: C Robshaw , W Fraser

Eight man: B Vunipola , B Morgan , N Hughes

Scrum Halfs: B Youngs , D Care , J Simpson
Stand By: D Robson , S Steele

10s: G Ford , D Cipriani
Slade/Farrell already in squad

Centres: O Farrell , L Burrell , M Tuilagi , J Joseph , H Slade

Wing: J Nowell , J May, C Wade

Full Back: A Watson , M Brown

Opening game i'd aim to roll with

Marler , Hartley (C) , Wilson , Launchbury , Symons , Wood , Armitage , Morgan , Care , Ford , Nowell , Tuilagi , Joseph, Wade , Watson

Vunipola , George , Brookes , Lawes , Vunipola , B Youngs , Farrell , Brown

by Guest Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:52 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Joseph and Brown were easily our best performers. Joseph is a real class act, we just need a 12 to play alongside him.

Agree with that. May and Watson looked great when given ball. Lcd needs a year on his throwing I think

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 6:13 pm

May has came on, he makes less mistakes now and is certainly one of our best 3 wingers.

The group we have is strong, we just need additions on the flank and centre and a game plan.

by Guest Sun 04 Oct 2015, 6:25 pm

Game plan is the big part. Centres also

by Driver Sun 04 Oct 2015, 7:32 pm

Who would you want too see replace Lancaster if he gets the chop?

I'd love for the RFU too bite the bullet and go for Jake White.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 7:35 pm

I'd like us to go English but realistically there's only Baxter.

Outside of England there's White, Jones and possibly Smith.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 7:37 pm

Rumours coming out about Farrell snr picking the teams, Catt storming out of team meetings and SL taking a back seat. Not sure I can believe it, supposed to be coming from Vuinipola.

by Driver Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:03 pm

You've just read that on my facebook! Haha

by Driver Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:06 pm

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/13805539/england-camp-divided-andy-farrell-influence

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:06 pm

Seen it on main board mate, not been on FB today.

by Driver Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:09 pm

Does make sense though, Anyone else Remeber when Farrell wasn't involved like the Argintina tour and we played some real quality expansive rugby then.

by Driver Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:12 pm

by ME-109 Today at 8:10 pm

Watching the Irish coverage Peter Stringer intimated (actually said) that from the little chats he was having with the English lads that during the six nations George Ford and the Bath lads were given the responsibility of "coaching" the backs as thats the way Lancaster wanted to play. Which makes it more interesting when suddenly you get Owen Farrell picked for the big games with Burgess originally included. Just seems funny that the team went from one way of playing to another...

Now I know Stringer would be in the George Ford camp so to speak but it was interesting none the less.

by dammit_chris Mon 05 Oct 2015, 8:51 am

The coaches panicked and reverted to type and thought that big players and physical defences win games with a negative game plan, when they don't. Look at the set piece, we use it as a way of getting penalties as opposed to using it for an attacking platform.

To break up the midfield combination of the 6Nations by leaving Burrell out and picking an out of form Barritt was senseless too - that backline got so many tries and was playing such positive rugby.

When you have Ford, Joseph, May and Watson in a backline you don't pick the style we did. Just strange that our tactics appear to be stopping the opposition's strengths as opposed to playing to our own and causing problems.

by Guest Mon 05 Oct 2015, 3:28 pm

Pretty hard to dsagree with this team of week.

Etzbeth and Gareth Davies could have maybe sneaked in

http://rugbylad.com/rugbyladblog/rugby-world-cup-team-of-the-week/

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 05 Oct 2015, 3:34 pm

What kind of site is rugbylad????

by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 05 Oct 2015, 3:43 pm

Hey any side that has 4 Sale boys in it is a good side Whistle

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 05 Oct 2015, 4:03 pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/team-of-the-week-world-cup-3/

There's your normal site Matt, that looks more realistic tbh although not a big fan of pr.

by Guest Mon 05 Oct 2015, 4:06 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:What kind of site is rugbylad????

No idea to be honest never used it before.
Saw the team of the week on Facebook rugby group.

The new pr site is even worse than the previous one particularly bad on mobile devices

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 05 Oct 2015, 4:12 pm

I think it's some spotty 15yo in his bedroom lol

by dammit_chris Mon 05 Oct 2015, 5:34 pm

What no Joe Launchbury in either. I am shocked.

Funniest recipient of a motm award going, he looked so embarrassed by it!

by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:25 pm

Not that anyone will be overly interested but England team to play Uruguay:

England: 15 Alex Goode, 14 Anthony Watson, 13 Henry Slade, 12 Owen Farrell, 11 Jack Nowell, 10 George Ford, 9 Danny Care, 8 Nick Easter, 7 Chris Robshaw (c), 6 James Haskell, 5 Geoff Parling, 4 Joe Launchbury, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Tom Youngs, 1 Mako Vunipola.
Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Joe Marler, 18 David Wilson, 19 George Kruis, 20 Tom Wood, 21 Richard Wigglesworth, 22 Jonathan Joseph, 23 Mike Brown.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:42 pm

No Burgess.......too late Stewie

by Fluxy Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:02 pm

I'm intrigued to see how that midfield goes. Kind of surprised he didn't go for Watson as fulback and May on the wing with Nowell. But hey ho¬!

by Guest Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:11 pm

May injured as Is Morgan

by Guest Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:12 pm

Why take Wilson if he was not fit enough to start as is being reported

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