Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

[LondonTiger]

First topic message reminder :

Fixtures:

31 Aug: T20, Cardiff, 15:00 BST

3 Sep: 1st ODI, Southampton, 14:00
5 Sep: 2nd ODI, Lord's, 10:30
8 Sep: 3rd ODI, Old Trafford, 14:00
11 Sep: 4th ODI, Headingley, 10:30
13 Sep: 5th ODI, Old Trafford, 10:30


Squads:

England T20:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire, wk), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), Reece Topley (Essex), James Vince (Hampshire), David Willey (Northamptonshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire).


England ODI
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire, wk), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), James Taylor (Nottinghamshire), David Willey Northamptonshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham)




Australia
David Warner, Joe Burns, Steve Smith (capt), Shane Watson, George Bailey, Matthew Wade, Mitch Marsh, Marcus Stoinis, Glenn Maxwell, Ashton Agar, Nathan Coulter-Nile, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, James Pattinson. Cameron Boyce (T20 only)

[eirebilly]

Moving to Southport Trebs.

Mogs looking good now.

Must admit I've never been up there,  I've been to the NE but never across to that area.

Hope it goes well mate.

Cheers pal, if you get up that way then drop me a line and we can go for a pint

[trebellbobaggins]

That would be lovely. Hope so. We plan to get up past there to the lakes one day so you never know :-)

[eirebilly]

Cool beans.

Mog's fall short. Hell of a catch though.

[alfie]

And just as it looks as if England are going to cruise home , Mogs falls to a great catch...
Bad luck - deserved a hundred today.

Leaves a fairly good chance still with the run rate about on six...but they don't want to lose another one now...

[trebellbobaggins]

ah that's more like England.. turn a situation that would be cruise control for anyone else into a horrible struggle.

Game over then?

shame as if the weather hits as it looks likely on sunday they'd have shared this series.

battled back but struggled with batting depth the whole series.

[alfie]

Batting looks deep enough , with Plunkett at ten ...hasn't really worked that way though so far in this series.

Time for a change of luck ?

[eirebilly]

Give it socks Trebs

[trebellbobaggins]

Batting looks deep enough , with Plunkett at ten ...hasn't really worked that way though so far in this series.

Time for a change of luck ?

capable players make their own luck.. which might be our problem when it comes to batting under pressure lol.

[alfie]

Pretty good six by Bairstow off a high and fast full toss ! Couldn't make the most of the free hit but that was still a very good over for England

[trebellbobaggins]

I think they need to calm down and not take silly risks.

[alfie]

Batting looks deep enough , with Plunkett at ten ...hasn't really worked that way though so far in this series.

Time for a change of luck ?

capable players make their own luck.. which might be our problem when it comes to batting under pressure lol.

Moeen exerted enough pressure then on the boundary fielder : pressed him right over the ropes

But the third umpire and the hotspot does for Bairstow with 39 still needed ...

Getting tight

[eirebilly]

Out is out but my god that could have gone either way. Well played Bairstow though.

[alfie]

I think they need to calm down and not take silly risks.

Agreed. Less than five per over now ... But six out so not too many mistakes to spare...

[trebellbobaggins]

Good review and a good example of not copying with pressure even when the run rate means you don't need to panic or force anything.

Eng seem to struggle badly with how to approach these games.

[alfie]

Yeah but I guess you can't easily switch on and off with the clever inventive shots...Bairstow had been hitting them well from anywhere...

Now Wade drops Moeen ! Cummins looks dangerous ; but only one over left I think ?

[trebellbobaggins]

Looks like Old Trafford might be one of the few places now Wee weeing it down on the west coast on Sunday so maybe there will be a game.

But eng seem intent on ensuring the series is dead today regardless. Brainless.

[temporary21]

Wow. What a catch

[eirebilly]

Spectacular catch

[alfie]

Cummins last over...and a miraculous boundary catch by Maxwell has ended Plunkett's lively innings ...

Amazing. So near to being six and just about game over ; now still need 18 with just three wickets.

Who keeps their nerve ?

[trebellbobaggins]

"That is genius. Taking any catch in front of the Western Terrace is incredible, but that is simply amazing."

from Vaughan. That word is used far too often. It is instinctive athletic brilliance yes but there is not an ounce of genius involved.

[Gooseberry]

Pity he doesnt play for Somerset, Cummins Cider would be a great merchadising opportunity

[alfie]

Four overs left...and no more Cummins.

Can't blame Plunkett really for going for that : he could have tried just blocking him out ; but he might have got out anyway as it isn't his game.

Now they are being a bit more selective. Only need eight.

[alfie]

Buzzers !

[trebellbobaggins]

One of those moments in a game you want them to just slow it all down and be very cautious. Crazy stuff only benefits Oz now.

[alfie]

Moeen and Willey doing it in singles...

Three off two. Hastings with the short straw.

[trebellbobaggins]

Very sensible.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Take. That. Willey got bored

[alfie]

That'll do

Six for Willey ...all done.

Never in doubt

[trebellbobaggins]

slightly bonkers end but it worked.

well done England.  from 2-0 down took some guts.

Finally chasing that nasty 300 target too!

[alfie]

Good that Willey got to finish it. He started the day pretty well too...

Decider at Old Trafford ...stay away rain !

[temporary21]

As a minor aside, this means England at worse will end the summer 6-5 up in matches.

[trebellbobaggins]

yeah, this storm coming is going to soak cornwall and much of the west but seems they might be ok up there.. but they might not.

to be fair the schedule seemed ok, not like one of those silly late Sept games where they are shocked when it gets rained off.

Nice bit of late season cricket this before the RWC kicks off.

[alfie]

slightly bonkers end but it worked.

well done England.  from 2-0 down took some guts.

Finally chasing that nasty 300 target too!

Not to overlook your low key reverse jinxes either , trebs - well played

Worth staying up for

[trebellbobaggins]

slightly bonkers end but it worked.

well done England.  from 2-0 down took some guts.

Finally chasing that nasty 300 target too!

Not to overlook your low key reverse jinxes either , trebs - well played

Worth staying up for

I felt I was quite subtle today, out of respect for the returning Billy.

[SimonofSurrey]

Slightly irritated by these oh so smug Aussie nicknames for their players. Having graciously shared with the world 'Mr Cricket' (pur-lease) and 'Pup' (even after he had long passed 230 in dog years), we now apparently have to suffer 'The Big Show'. Yes, he played brilliantly and didn't deserve to be on the losing side today. Yes, he is a phenomenal talent many - including me - would pay a lot to see.

But ... do we really need these overblown WWF-esque monikers? Get a grip, fellers.

Grumpy old Pom rant over. Thank you.

[alfie]

Billy picked a good game to return for.

Must have inspired Mogs ?

After three here so I'll say goodnight chaps...

[trebellbobaggins]

Slightly irritated by these oh so smug Aussie nicknames for their players. Having graciously shared with the world 'Mr Cricket' (pur-lease) and 'Pup' (even after he had long passed 230 in dog years), we now apparently have to suffer 'The Big Show'. Yes, he played brilliantly and didn't deserve to be on the losing side today. Yes, he is a phenomenal talent many - including me - would pay a lot to see.

But ... do we really need these overblown WWF-esque monikers? Get a grip, fellers.

Grumpy old Pom rant over. Thank you.  

is he a 7'3 wrestler then?

no, then he can do one

[trebellbobaggins]

Billy picked a good game to return for.

Must have inspired Mogs ?

After three here so I'll say goodnight chaps...

Night Alfie. Respect again for your stamina mate.

[Gooseberry]

Slightly irritated by these oh so smug Aussie nicknames for their players. Having graciously shared with the world 'Mr Cricket' (pur-lease) and 'Pup' (even after he had long passed 230 in dog years), we now apparently have to suffer 'The Big Show'. Yes, he played brilliantly and didn't deserve to be on the losing side today. Yes, he is a phenomenal talent many - including me - would pay a lot to see.

But ... do we really need these overblown WWF-esque monikers? Get a grip, fellers.

Grumpy old Pom rant over. Thank you.  

They have irony in Australia as well as ego

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Haven't seen much of today if any...but glad to see Willey bowl well, and Morgan get in the runs. Hales failing again, I'm at the point where I have almost lost faith he can step up to the test/ODI Level from the T20 level. Now had 18 ODI innings, averaging 22.44 and a high score of 67. No doubt he has potential, but at some point (soon I'd suggest) you have to deliver on that...

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Haven't seen much of today if any...but glad to see Willey bowl well, and Morgan get in the runs. Hales failing again, I'm at the point where I have almost lost faith he can step up to the test/ODI Level from the T20 level. Now had 18 ODI innings, averaging 22.44 and a high score of 67. No doubt he has potential, but at some point (soon I'd suggest) you have to deliver on that...

And while I'm ranting...Stokes in ODI's is a disaster with the bat. 28 innings, average of 19.30 and a high score of 70. His bowling average of 34.25 is ok, but when batting 5 he's in for batting mainly, and he's not doing it in ODI's. 

That's why when Root comes back he would be the one I'd drop, and not Taylor.

[Stella]

What about the 6th bowler? Unless Root can fill in.

[msp83]

Haven't seen any of the cricket today, but a fine win for England and the series is kept alive to the end.
But what just struck me was this Australian cricketer Stoinis? Who exactly is he? I mean what is it that the Australian selectors have seen in him to pick him for international cricket despite domestic inexperience and a rather ordinary record?
And what happened to James Faulkner? Injured? Think more than Watson, more than Warner, more than anyone else, the player Australia miss the most in this series is Faulkner....... Mitch Marsh is no match for the ODI all-rounder Faulkner, that much is established, and I have been saying for some time that hell be Australia's best bet for that all-rounder slot in the longer format too. Hope he'll be back in action soon.

[Stella]

Isn't Faulkner banned?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

What about the 6th bowler? Unless Root can fill in.

Root can do a good enough job, and Roy can turn his arm over ok too. IMO you don't keep a guy averaging 19 at 5 in the side because he offers a bit as the 6th bowler. Especially if he would be keeping out somebody with the talent and track record of Taylor too.

[Gooseberry]

Whereas you keep Hales who averages 22 and doest bowl?
Stokes is the best fielder in the side

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Whereas you keep Hales who averages 22 and doest bowl?
Stokes is the best fielder in the side

I've said about Hales above mate

[msp83]

Isn't Faulkner banned?

Thought he was banned from driving anything other than a cricket ball for 2 years, turns out that Cricket Australia had banned him for 4 internationals in addition. Though the ban is over, they didn't consider him for the series because of it. Foolish and seriously dangerous from Faulkner, drunk driving, but Australia are certainly missing him in action.

[LondonTiger]

Based on current form, I would drop Hales (would still take him to UAE) and open with Ali when Root returns.

This would give lineup of:

Roy
Ali
Root
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler (think he is better suited to 7 and the finisher role than Bairstow)
Willey
Rashid
+2 quick bowlers.

[Stella]

We could open with Ali, bring back Root, thus keeping Stokes, who imo should be kept in, as he can at times get a wicket or two during the middle overs. I don't know where I'd bat him though.

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