Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

[LondonTiger]

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Fixtures:

31 Aug: T20, Cardiff, 15:00 BST

3 Sep: 1st ODI, Southampton, 14:00
5 Sep: 2nd ODI, Lord's, 10:30
8 Sep: 3rd ODI, Old Trafford, 14:00
11 Sep: 4th ODI, Headingley, 10:30
13 Sep: 5th ODI, Old Trafford, 10:30


Squads:

England T20:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire, wk), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), Reece Topley (Essex), James Vince (Hampshire), David Willey (Northamptonshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire).


England ODI
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire, wk), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), James Taylor (Nottinghamshire), David Willey Northamptonshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham)




Australia
David Warner, Joe Burns, Steve Smith (capt), Shane Watson, George Bailey, Matthew Wade, Mitch Marsh, Marcus Stoinis, Glenn Maxwell, Ashton Agar, Nathan Coulter-Nile, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, James Pattinson. Cameron Boyce (T20 only)

[Hammersmith harrier]

Stokes isn't doing enough to keep his place in any of the international sides, being an ok batsmen and bowler shouldn't be enough to stay in the side, I genuinely don't see what he offers aside from the odd catch.

[Stella]

You could play Woakes, instead of Stokes? Plenty of options.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

He's doing ok enough in tests for me, but not the one day stuff at all. And much like Chris Jordan you can't keep a dude in the side cos he fields well...

[Hammersmith harrier]

Any team with Stokes, Woakes, Willey, Rashid, Ali and Plunkett seems like too many chefs to me, specialist bowlers still have a place in one day cricket.

[Stella]

Like Wood?

[Hammersmith harrier]

Like Wood but one specialist frontline bowler isn't enough for me, a long batting line up is all well and good if you're bowlers can impact on the game.

[temporary21]

Stokes is an X factor player. Having 11 solid players makes you too predictable

[Stella]

I agree, but who? btw, my comment about Wood was more about how badly our specialist bowler has done.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Stokes get by being thought of as an X factor player but he very very rarely produces to make his inclusion worthwhile. I would go with Wood, Finn and Broad once the latter is available, the specialist bowler is always going to suffer when the rest also leak runs, batsmen can play themselves in against Woakes or Stokes.

[Stella]

when all are fit, and available, my team would be:

Roy
Ali
Taylor
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Willey
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

My team

Roy
Moeen
Root
Taylor
Morgan
Buttler
Rashid
Willey
Broad
Finn

And then one of Woakes/Plunkett/Wood.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'd keep bring Bairstow in for Stokes myself but aside from that I fully agree with Ali opening, he's wasted batting at 7 or lower but I don't want Anderson anywhere near the team at his age. This was the first one day game i've enjoyed in a long time to be honest.

[Jetty]

Yes Stella. I would go for your team.
Hammersmith harrier Anderson isn't an old man. He is an extremely fit just turned 33. He could play until the Champions Trophy. He was at number 4 in the ODI rankings in Jan. Didn't see any other England bowlers there.

[SimonofSurrey]

Slightly irritated by these oh so smug Aussie nicknames for their players. Having graciously shared with the world 'Mr Cricket' (pur-lease) and 'Pup' (even after he had long passed 230 in dog years), we now apparently have to suffer 'The Big Show'. Yes, he played brilliantly and didn't deserve to be on the losing side today. Yes, he is a phenomenal talent many - including me - would pay a lot to see.

But ... do we really need these overblown WWF-esque monikers? Get a grip, fellers.

Grumpy old Pom rant over. Thank you.  

They have irony in Australia as well as ego

Fair point. (Slightly less grumpy old Pom this morning.)

[SimonofSurrey]

Once again, England fail to chase 300+ on a good pitch.

Longggggggggggggggg way behind the leading nations in ODIs.

2-2 with one to play - including yesterday's successful chase where they probably could have chased down a few more than 300 had it been necessary - suggests otherwise. Maybe the way behind the leading nations is actually getting shorterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?

[alfie]

when all are fit, and available, my team would be:

Roy
Ali
Taylor
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Willey
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

If they were playing a World Cup or Champions final on Sunday , instead of just the deciding match in a one off series , and all were available ; then that would be my side too. (Though I'd consider opening with Root and leaving Moeen where he is.)

But as we are currently between major championships it makes sense to be experimenting with various players/combinations with a view to the future. Expecting a good deal more of such rotation over the next year or two : who knows who will be fit and in form come the next major event ? One thing Australia usually have (not so much right now) is a lot of players with a fair bit of ODI experience they can call on when the big events come around. England should aim for the same.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Yes Stella. I would go for your team.
Hammersmith harrier Anderson isn't an old man. He is an extremely fit just turned 33.   He could play until the Champions Trophy. He was at number 4 in the ODI rankings in Jan. Didn't see any other England bowlers there.

He may well be but i'd rather he was saved for the test match arena.

[LondonTiger]

So, one over, 3 decisions from the umpire - all wrong.

How the hell did Roy and Hales not review that second LBW call? Hales trying to get rid of a competitor

[Hoggy_Bear]

That's that done and dusted then. Well played Australia.

[eirebilly]

Thats a very nasty hit for Morgan...

[Duty281]

Once again, England fail to chase 300+ on a good pitch.

Longggggggggggggggg way behind the leading nations in ODIs.

2-2 with one to play - including yesterday's successful chase where they probably could have chased down a few more than 300 had it been necessary - suggests otherwise. Maybe the way behind the leading nations is actually getting shorterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?

We can certainly hope so.

Although the series looks lost after England's poor start today.

[eirebilly]

Its not lost just yet Duty281. England can still put on a decent score.

[jimbohammers]

Vince
Hales
Ali
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Willey
Broad
Finn

Roy, Plunkett, Rashid as back up.

Think Ali can do the job as spinner. Roy has done ok but not convinced. Would have him lower down the order if anywhere. Hales deserves a long spell in the team IMO, got to stick with him.

[guildfordbat]

So, one over, 3 decisions from the umpire - all wrong.

How the hell did Roy and Hales not review that second LBW call? Hales trying to get rid of a competitor

Been watching on Delay tv and just caught up. Yeah, terrible umpiring and an even worse non review. Hales doing his partner and his team no favours whatsoever.

[LondonTiger]

Not sure woakes has done anything to suggest he should be in the team. And Root left out?

[eirebilly]

A lot riding on Stokes here now. Hope he can put in a good one.

[eirebilly]

That was as plumb as they get. terrible decision not to give him out straight away.

[guildfordbat]

In the longer form of the game, I'm nearly always for ''bat first'' on winning the toss. However, the opposite pretty much applies in my book for limited overs stuff in mid September with a 10:30 start - surprised decisions have been made to bat first in the last two ODIs.

Australia lost last time out after winning the call and not looking at all good for England now as Bairstow goes ....

[jimbohammers]

LT, I think Woakes has bowled well in recent games. Forgot about Root!

[eirebilly]

I cant see England lasting the full 50 overs now. Hopefully they will get a score over 200 though and place some pressure on the Aussies.

[guildfordbat]

That was as plumb as they get. terrible decision not to give him out straight away.

Billy - fully agreed. Btw, imo Botham is a very poor commentator and analyst. He questioned whether the ball was too high. That seemed entirely superficial and inappropriate. It had no bearing on the particular delivery. It was as if Botham felt he had to say something to justify his presence. His comment didn't and just made doubts over his Sky role increase further.

Great players don't necessarily make great pundits.

[eirebilly]

Agreed guildford, i think Botham's fellow commentator was right on in it as well and told him it was a full delivery. Pretty poor from Botham.

[eirebilly]

Ali gone now, disaster for England.

[eirebilly]

Jeez, will England get to 100

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Huge huge fan of that Topley/Rashid partnership - Adil's wrists, Topley randomly declining singles - fabulous stuff

[alfie]

Oh dear... Missed that England innings ( have seen some highlights) : what the devil happened ?
Rather bad luck Morgan getting injured , when they were already in a lot of trouble ; do hope he isn't too bad ? Though he didn't come back , so that ain't good.

About zero chance of getting Australia out for less than that : so this decider may be a bit of a fizzer , alas. Unfortunate for the crowd. But I guess it gets me an early night

[guildfordbat]

A decent effort by the England seamers up to lunch but it's still as if everyone already knows the result.

[trebellbobaggins]

well that went well

such a shame to battle back in the series and then just capitulate like that.

Not good at all.

[guildfordbat]

Treb - yeah, I didn't see any of the game after the main break but clearly a disappointing end to England's international season.

[VTR]

W5 L5 against the two best ODI sides around this summer. Not bad overall, with a young side playing a less archaic brand of cricket

[LondonTiger]

Some quality fast bowling from the Aussies today.

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