Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 5 September

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Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets
Saturday 5 September
KO: 17:15
Fortress Soapdodger, Glasgow

Live on Sky Sports

Referee: Gary Conway (IRFU, 13th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Neil Paterson, Bob Nevins (both SRU)
Citing Commissioner: John Montgomery (SRU)
TMO: Jim Yuille (SRU)

A. Head to Head

24 Played 24
13 Wins 11
11 Losses 13
0 Draws 0
59 Tries 54
41 Conversions 27
53 Penalties 62
2 Drop Goals 1
542 Points 513

B. Form

Fri 21 Nov 2014
Scarlets 19 - 9 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 9 Jan 2015
Glasgow Warriors 22 - 7 Scarlets

C. Teams

Glasgow Warriors

15
Glenn Bryce
14
Lee Jones
13
Peter Murchie (capt)
12
Fraser Lyle
11
Rory Hughes
10
Scott Wight
9
Grayson Hart

1
Jerry Yanuyanutawa
2
Pat MacArthur
3
Michael Cusack
4
Rob Harley
5
Scott Cummings
6
Josh Strauss
7
Chris Fusaro
8
Adam Ashe

16
Kevin Bryce
17
Alex Allen
18
Zander Fagerson
19
Keiron Low
20
Tyrone Holmes
21
Mike Blair
22
Rory Clegg
23
Robbie Ferguson

Scarlets

15
Steffan Evans
14
Hadleigh Parkes (capt)
13
Regan King
12
Gareth Owen
11
Michael Tagicakibau
10
Dan Jones
9
Aled Davies

1
Phil John
2
Emyr Phillips
3
Peter Edwards
4
Tom Price
5
Lewis Rawlins
6
Aaron Shingler
7
James Davies
8
John Barclay

16
Kirby Myhill
17
Rob Evans
18
Will Taylor
19
George Earle
20
Rory Pitman
21
Rhodri Williams
22
Aled Thomas
23
Tom Williams

Some handy youngsters in the Glasgow line-up: Allen, Fagerson, Bryce, Cummings, Ashe, Ferguson and Hughes.

Nice to see that it's not just Edinburgh developing young Scottish talent......

I wonder if Cummings is in because of his "inspirational leadership" potential.

Must be said, I was very impressed with Cummings' play in the tight at the U20 championships, and he's only 18.

I dread to think what his nickname will be on here!

Hmm - heavyweight pack, lightweight backline for Glasgow this week.

Quite like the mix of old hands and youngfellers. Lots of young talent there - will try to watch this one all the way through.

Wonder how Johnny B Overlooked will feel about coming back to the mothership?

RDW_Scotland wrote:The toony tombola strikes again - Clegg has been playing the pre season games yet Wight starts, and murchie and Bryce swap positions despite playing in the opposite in pre season!

Scott Wight must be one of the worst ever pro players I have seen in (in)action. How the flip does he keep getting re-signed?
Background to this Scott Cummings anyone? Even allowing for WC call-ups etc, it is impressive that he is playing lock in Pro rugby if he still under 20

That Glasgow bench is pretty reasonable - I suspect Kieren Low has been told he is the 'break glass in case of emergency' lock replacement.

Bryce, Allen and Fagerson should do a fair bit of damage if they come in with 25 to go.

Low has been playing 2nd row in pre-season.

He's very much just squad cover calibre though.

Not a great start!

Will be a bit awkward if the champions lose having made such a big deal about it...

Really not looking good got Glasgow!

Glasgow midfield defence is awful.

Just as well the welsh FH can't kick!

Good thing their kicker is bloody awful!

Embarrassing.....

We seem to be pressing the self destruct button, what has happened to our tackling?

Hope Cotter is watching that

About the only positive thing I can say about that half is that the young kid Cummings played well above his years. Pity some of his more experienced colleagues could not join him. The worst Glasgow half I have seen in a long, long time!

Reality check for Glasgow and all of us? Any team that loses 20 players is going to struggle.

That is an experienced Scarlets team too.

Scarlets not committing any players to the ruck then targeting players that get isolated - Glasgow need to do some pick and goes to get them commiting men in the ruck

Good changes, neither Hartson nor Wight played well in the first half

Its not right seeing Blade in a glasgow shirt.


ITS NOT RIGHT!

Imperialbigdave wrote:Its not right seeing Blade in a glasgow shirt.


ITS NOT RIGHT!

I bet you are glad you are not seeing Hart in One!

Oh smeg. Just seen the score. Any chance we are going to pull this one out of the fire?

They're going to blow it aren't they?

11 man Scarlets beat Glasgow

Notch wrote:They're going to blow it aren't they?

No.

Reality check Glasgow - I think the world cup period is going to be about damage limitation for Glasgow!

No team can lose 20 players and do well.

That's what you get for playing like idiots in the first half.

Smart play by Scarlets in the second half, can't blame them for running the clock down like that. Well done to them.

Well if we did not know it before, we should now, its not going to be easy this year. We are vulnerable and have a target on our backs!

I remember Scarlets spoiled the party for the 1st ever game at Scotstoun, they really are Glasgow bogey team.

VinceWLB wrote:I remember Scarlets spoiled the party for the 1st ever game at Scotstoun, they really are Glasgow bogey team.

Lets hope not, we are playing them a lot this season.

Brilliant win. The referee did his utmost to give it the old "Live sky sports super saturday exciting comeback win" but he failed miserably. Not allowing Scarlets to make a substitutoin. Stopping the clock for the Glasgow player to line up his kick. 3 yellow cards. Utter corrupt bullcrap.

But we won with 11 men. Some proper characters in that side. Da iawn bois.

Oops. And this is even before we lose Strauss to the World Cup.

There must be a few die hard Weegies secretly hoping that Scotland (and Fiji) don't make it past the Group stage!!

Soap dodgers looking vulnerable.

Glasgow have connacht next too, so ain't gonna get any easier.

Any opinions on the deliberate knock down which would have resulted in a certain scarlets try?

Not even a yellow.

Chunky Norwich wrote:Brilliant win. The referee did his utmost to give it the old "Live sky sports super saturday exciting comeback win" but he failed miserably. Not allowing Scarlets to make a substitutoin. Stopping the clock for the Glasgow player to line up his kick. 3 yellow cards. Utter corrupt bullcrap.

But we won with 11 men. Some proper characters in that side. Da iawn bois.

Hmmm, I think it's you doing a bit of the auld amateur Red Top dramatics on the game there, Chunky. The Great Heart of Scarlet Doggedness against the Accursed O'fficialdom of Pro12 put a lily-livered Glasgow Beast to the sword.

You do know how many Glasgow boys have been called off to the Great Continental Wars of World Cupdom, don't you? Maybe a little acknowledgement of the enemy's imposed weakness might add some graciousness to your gloat.

I wasn't expecting a win from this game, and I think, if most warriors supporters were honest, neither were they. Scarlets are a good team, and it seems (I could be wrong) that it is the Ospreys who have taken the brunt of losing players to the world cup squad.

cakeordeath wrote:I wasn't expecting a win from this game, and I think, if most warriors supporters were honest, neither were they. Scarlets are a good team, and it seems (I could be wrong) that it is the Ospreys who have taken the brunt of losing players to the world cup squad.

Yes, Ospreys are the biggest, er, 'losers' amongst the Welsh regions with 12 - the Blues lost 8 and the Scarlets lost 7.

After his performance last night, it really goes without saying that most Scotland fans would rather that the Scarlets had lost 8.

By the sounds of it, Glasgow played like a bunch of eejits in the first half and by the time they got their sh!t together, it was too late to claw back a 13 point defecit. The magnitude of losing 20 players is now starting to hit home. Perhaps it was never realistic to expect Glasgow to retain their title in a RWC year.

George Carlin wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:I wasn't expecting a win from this game, and I think, if most warriors supporters were honest, neither were they. Scarlets are a good team, and it seems (I could be wrong) that it is the Ospreys who have taken the brunt of losing players to the world cup squad.

Yes, Ospreys are the biggest, er, 'losers' amongst the Welsh regions with 12 - the Blues lost 8 and the Scarlets lost 7.

After his performance last night, it really goes without saying that most Scotland fans would rather that the Scarlets had lost 8.

By the sounds of it, Glasgow played like a bunch of eejits in the first half and by the time they got their sh!t together, it was too late to claw back a 13 point defecit. The magnitude of losing 20 players is now starting to hit home. Perhaps it was never realistic to expect Glasgow to retain their title in a RWC year.

That probably sums it up, though it is probably not a good idea to be go gloomy. For all that it was a match we could have won and in the last couple of minutes probably should have. Scarlets slowed it down very cynically towards the end which i don't blame them for, as they had the points on the board and the clock was their friend. A first game out is a first game out and we were very slow off the mark.

There were some positives though, not least of which was the 18 year old kid playing in the second row, Cummings, who really played out of his skin. He will be played sparing this year and rightly so, but it was really a very assured debut. It was great to see Robbie Fergusson make his debut as well after all he has been through. It was some of the older heads that let Glasgow down, the starting half backs in particular. Hart needs to up his game, or he will quickly slip down the pecking order at Glasgow in the same way he did at Edinburgh and unfortunately Scott Wight showed us why he never really made it the last time around. Clegg did ok when he came on, but we do look badly short of a back up FH at the moment and it may be a while before we get the two of them back.

BigGee wrote:

George Carlin wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:I wasn't expecting a win from this game, and I think, if most warriors supporters were honest, neither were they. Scarlets are a good team, and it seems (I could be wrong) that it is the Ospreys who have taken the brunt of losing players to the world cup squad.

Yes, Ospreys are the biggest, er, 'losers' amongst the Welsh regions with 12 - the Blues lost 8 and the Scarlets lost 7.

After his performance last night, it really goes without saying that most Scotland fans would rather that the Scarlets had lost 8.

By the sounds of it, Glasgow played like a bunch of eejits in the first half and by the time they got their sh!t together, it was too late to claw back a 13 point defecit. The magnitude of losing 20 players is now starting to hit home. Perhaps it was never realistic to expect Glasgow to retain their title in a RWC year.

That probably sums it up, though it is probably not a good idea to be go gloomy. For all that it was a match we could have won and in the last couple of minutes probably should have. Scarlets slowed it down very cynically towards the end which i don't blame them for, as they had the points on the board and the clock was their friend. A first game out is a first game out and we were very slow off the mark.

There were some positives though, not least of which was the 18 year old kid playing in the second row, Cummings, who really played out of his skin. He will be played sparing this year and rightly so, but it was really a very assured debut. It was great to see Robbie Fergusson make his debut as well after all he has been through. It was some of the older heads that let Glasgow down, the starting half backs in particular. Hart needs to up his game, or he will quickly slip down the pecking order at Glasgow in the same way he did at Edinburgh and unfortunately Scott Wight showed us why he never really made it the last time around. Clegg did ok when he came on, but we do look badly short of a back up FH at the moment and it may be a while before we get the two of them back.

Yeah, I look at the Canadian teamsheet with Connor Braid lining up against Fiji tonight and I wonder whether it wouldn't have been a smart move to keep him. He had a bit of the X factor and seemed to be much sharper and faster than Cleggy or Suspiciously Old Scott (haven't written that in a while).

Glasgow shouldn't be all doom and gloom imo, they need to look at the positives and they were Cummings and particularly Fagerson who really looked the part at scrum time and had his Welsh internationalist opposing loosehead yellow carded. He could well be the Scottish' Samson Lee. Next up is Connacht who have a very good scrum so will be interesting to see how he does next week.

So if the 1872 was next week would Glasgow fans be confident?

Joking aside, sans Strauss Glasgow's back 5 resources are becoming desperate.

Would make sense to loan them Bradbury or Ritchie fir the next 8 weeks - they ain't going to get much game time at Edinburgh and Bradbury in particular would give them another big ball carrier.

RDW_Scotland wrote:So if the 1872 was next week would Glasgow fans be confident?

Joking aside, sans Strauss Glasgow's back 5 resources are becoming desperate.

Would make sense to loan them Bradbury or Ritchie fir the next 8 weeks - they ain't going to get much game time at Edinburgh and Bradbury in particular would give them another big ball carrier.

Loose forwards are passable with Harley, Ashe, Fozzy, Eddie, Favaro, Bordill, Blake and so on.

It's in the tight five and especially lock where we're really eating it. You have problems if Kieran Low is your best second row, coupled with a bunch of academy kids like Cummings and Kiran McDonald.

Did the management staff really not see this dearth coming?

George Carlin wrote:

BigGee wrote:

George Carlin wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:I wasn't expecting a win from this game, and I think, if most warriors supporters were honest, neither were they. Scarlets are a good team, and it seems (I could be wrong) that it is the Ospreys who have taken the brunt of losing players to the world cup squad.

Yes, Ospreys are the biggest, er, 'losers' amongst the Welsh regions with 12 - the Blues lost 8 and the Scarlets lost 7.

After his performance last night, it really goes without saying that most Scotland fans would rather that the Scarlets had lost 8.

By the sounds of it, Glasgow played like a bunch of eejits in the first half and by the time they got their sh!t together, it was too late to claw back a 13 point defecit. The magnitude of losing 20 players is now starting to hit home. Perhaps it was never realistic to expect Glasgow to retain their title in a RWC year.

That probably sums it up, though it is probably not a good idea to be go gloomy. For all that it was a match we could have won and in the last couple of minutes probably should have. Scarlets slowed it down very cynically towards the end which i don't blame them for, as they had the points on the board and the clock was their friend. A first game out is a first game out and we were very slow off the mark.

There were some positives though, not least of which was the 18 year old kid playing in the second row, Cummings, who really played out of his skin. He will be played sparing this year and rightly so, but it was really a very assured debut. It was great to see Robbie Fergusson make his debut as well after all he has been through. It was some of the older heads that let Glasgow down, the starting half backs in particular. Hart needs to up his game, or he will quickly slip down the pecking order at Glasgow in the same way he did at Edinburgh and unfortunately Scott Wight showed us why he never really made it the last time around. Clegg did ok when he came on, but we do look badly short of a back up FH at the moment and it may be a while before we get the two of them back.

Yeah, I look at the Canadian teamsheet with Connor Braid lining up against Fiji tonight and I wonder whether it wouldn't have been a smart move to keep him. He had a bit of the X factor and seemed to be much sharper and faster than Cleggy or Suspiciously Old Scott (haven't written that in a while).

I imagine the reason we did not keep him on was because we knew he was likely to be away for the WC and it really would not have solved the problems we have now. I fear Weir is not going to get a lot of gametime over the WC tournament at least he will come back fresh!

2nd row situation would have been ok if Paterson hadn't been called up in the Eagles squad. Now it is just desperate and makes the non renewal of Tom Ryder all the more foolish.

George Carlin wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:So if the 1872 was next week would Glasgow fans be confident?

Joking aside, sans Strauss Glasgow's back 5 resources are becoming desperate.

Would make sense to loan them Bradbury or Ritchie fir the next 8 weeks - they ain't going to get much game time at Edinburgh and Bradbury in particular would give them another big ball carrier.

Loose forwards are passable with Harley, Ashe, Fozzy, Eddie, Favaro, Bordill, Blake and so on.

It's in the tight five and especially lock where we're really eating it. You have problems if Kieran Low is your best second row, coupled with a bunch of academy kids like Cummings and Kiran McDonald.

Did the management staff really not see this dearth coming?

Well Harley will probably have to play 2nd row, so that will leave 2 small-ish opensides and Ashe in the back row, which isn't ideal.

Oh also - if you're struggling at 10 you're welcome to have Jade Te Rure!

He's really good - I've always been a big, big fan.

Terrible treatment of the referee during and after the match by the Glasgow fans by the way. Not sure what they were miffed at, the ref had tried tohelp them by getting Scarlets down to 11 players.

VinceWLB wrote:2nd row situation would have been ok if Paterson hadn't been called up in the Eagles squad. Now it is just desperate and makes the non renewal of Tom Ryder all the more foolish.

I also wonder whether Al Kellock couldn't have postponed his retirement by 6 months, knowing that Glasgow would be short at lock for the World Cup.

All a bit me me me from Big Al, clearly putting his new media career ahead of Glasgow Warriors......