Wales vs Uruguay

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WALES vs URUGUAY
Millennium Stadium
Sunday September 20th @ 14:30

Live coverage on ITV and S4C


Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant referees: Pascal Gauzère (France), Mathieu Raynal (France)

Television match official: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)



And so it starts.

RWC 2015, first up for Wales are Uruguay. A team of amateur players that are the lowest ranked team in the competition. They qualified by beating Russia, this is their third RWC. They have won two games previously against Spain and Georgia.

Wales are huge favourites for the game but as the Uruguayans are the weakest team in the group Wales actually have a massive pressure on them to perform at the top of their game and set a bench mark score, that should this pool go down to points, will beat the others in contention.

On the back of a disastrous game in Cardiff against Italy, Wales will have had to re-focus themselves for this game.

Wales have never played Uruguay before. Our A team played them once back in 2001 where a young Shane Williams scored two tries and Gavin Henson excelled at fullback for Wales to win 66 points to 22.

We have no idea what damage teams like England and Australia could do to a tired Uruguay team towards the end of the pool stages. Wales will need to put a cricket score on Uruguay to prove a point before going into our first major game at Twickenham.

Wales Team

Liam Williams (Scarlets); Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues), Cory Allen (Cardiff Blues), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Hallam Amos (Newport Gwent Dragons); Rhys Priestland (Bath Rugby), Gareth Davies (Scarlets); Paul James (Ospreys), Scott Baldwin (Ospreys), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Luke Charteris (Racing 92), Sam Warburton (Captain, Cardiff Blues), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), James King (Ospreys).

Replacements: Ken Owens (Scarlets), Aaron Jarvis (Ospreys), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Dominic Day (Bath Rugby), Dan Lydiate (Ospreys), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester Rugby), Lloyd Williams (Cardiff Blues), Matthew Morgan (Bristol Rugby)


Uruguay Team

15 Gaston Mieres, 14 Santiago Gibernau, 13 Joaquin Prada, 12 Andres Vilaseca, 11 Rodrigo Silva, 10 Felipe Berchesi, 9 Agustin Ormaechea, 8 Alejandro Nieto, 7 Matias Beer, 6 Juan Manuel Gaminara, 5 Jorge Zerbino, 4 Santiago Vilaseca, 3 Mario Sagario, 2 Carlos Arboleya, 1 Alejo Corral.
Replacements: 16 German Kessler, 17 Oscar Duran, 18 Mateo Sanguinetti, 19 Franco Lamanna, 20 Agustin Alonso, 21 Juan De Freitas, 22 Alejo Duran, 23 Francisco Bulanti.

The difference on the other articles posted must be that they're an average of every forward. It's not going to be the same as any individual lineup.

Perhaps but even then you'd think SA are still the tallest and heaviest right? Oosthuizen, De Jager, Etzebeth and Alberts would be the difference I'd have thought.

You could always check the combined weights. I've done enough of that for one night

It's looking that way to be fair as Nyakane is also 120kg - as far as I know we only have one prop over 120kg, the rest of our front row players being under. I might combine them tomorrow, I've also had enough for now.

Scottrf wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Wales
116 115 107
122 125 103 108
101

897

SA
116 115 123
114 125 110 120
110

933

is that the starting pack?

Yeah from the recent games, based on the weights from the World Cup site.

So if you took the total weight when the bench came on e.g. Tomas Francis is about 310 lbs to Samson Lee who is about 250 lbs that's about 60 lbs or about 27kg in new money, Warburton 218lbs off for Lydiate who is about 255 lbs that's about 17 kg....... that's ahem pencil licking tongue.... yep about 44kg

897 + 44 is roughly 940kg that's about 7-10kg more than SA at the start.

Exactly what I said in my previous replies.... (once more for the selected few) Wales had at some part of the match a heavier pack than SA or anyone else and these figures have been taken off the source/sponsored site which still show that on average Wales have the heaviest pack bar none including Samoa. Unless of course there has been players who have left the squads or come in to alter the figures.

Stats can be what you want to make of them

Where's my picture of Graham Chapman as the Major? Stop it! This is getting silly!

Surely everyone knows not to trust published player weights? There's no single source of weights, or consistent way of measuring them. They're taken at different points in the year, some of them are years out of date, they're nothing more than a rough guide to how big players are.

Filling several pages with an argument on weights is silly even for this board.

Poorfour wrote:Where's my picture of Graham Chapman as the Major? Stop it! This is getting silly!

Surely everyone knows not to trust published player weights? There's no single source of weights, or consistent way of measuring them. They're taken at different points in the year, some of them are years out of date, they're nothing more than a rough guide to how big players are.

Filling several pages with an argument on weights is silly even for this board.

Agreed, some people seriously need to get laid.

Getting laid makes you smart????

Oh I don't know about that. I think that one was disproved thousands of years ago and keeps being disproved most days on this here site

munkian wrote:

Poorfour wrote:Where's my picture of Graham Chapman as the Major? Stop it! This is getting silly!

Surely everyone knows not to trust published player weights? There's no single source of weights, or consistent way of measuring them. They're taken at different points in the year, some of them are years out of date, they're nothing more than a rough guide to how big players are.

Filling several pages with an argument on weights is silly even for this board.

Agreed, some people seriously need to get laid.

Speak for yourself. I tried Canadian on the weekend .

mikey_dragon wrote:

munkian wrote:

Poorfour wrote:Where's my picture of Graham Chapman as the Major? Stop it! This is getting silly!

Surely everyone knows not to trust published player weights? There's no single source of weights, or consistent way of measuring them. They're taken at different points in the year, some of them are years out of date, they're nothing more than a rough guide to how big players are.

Filling several pages with an argument on weights is silly even for this board.

Agreed, some people seriously need to get laid.

Speak for yourself. I tried Canadian on the weekend .

Eh?

LordDowlais wrote:Well, what a schit performance that was. Make no mistake about it, England and Australia will put 70-80 points on that lot, even Fiji will put a cricket score on them.

I said from the start, we should have played our strongest 15. There was NO leadership on the field. Uruguay should have had at least 3 yellows, but without a captain who will question a referee, that is never going to happen, I have said it before, Warburton is not captain material.

Cory Allen, yes he finished 3 moves, but what else ? He butchered numerous breaks with his crap passing, the only decent back performance yesterday was Gareth Davies, at least he wanted to make it a quick game, and Scott Williams had a decent game, he was looking for the gaps and exploiting the outside shoulder. But he needs to keep hold of the ball !!!!!!

When are people going to realise that Hallam Amos is not ready for this level ? We now find ourselves in a position where one of him or Cuthbert have to start against England, GOD help us.

Well, I hope the people on here who were calling for a weaker side on here do not have what they asked for, because if this group now comes down to points difference, then we are out, lets make no bones about it. The decision to no play Biggar, Faletua, AWJ, Jaime Roberts, Gethin Jenkings, North has just made our monumental task to get out of this group even harder.

I knew this would happen, I just do not want to see anymore whinging from the Welsh posters on here, as Gatland has done exactly what you wanted, and now we are further up schit creek.

Aye and Wales are not a joy to watch i'm afraid to say. Maybe we need a new coaching team.
Did part-time Uruguay contest a lineout btw?

GeordieFalcon wrote:Mikey...I fully expect Wales put a cricket score on these...but its nice to see them come out and give them a go

Uruguay penalised there for a feed???? Has any game so far actually HAD a straight put in????

A "feck me" moment that was considering previous games. My guess is that refs have been encouraged to ignore crooked feeds, but this one momentarily forgot.

I meant to ask this question after the game but forgot so here goes, have the rules regarding replacements been changed and I missed it?

The reason I ask is that during the game on Sunday Moriarty replaced King and Lydiate replaced Warburton, however when Lydiate got his knock King came back onto the field.

Now I thought this was only allowed with regards front row players.

bedfordwelsh wrote:I meant to ask this question after the game but forgot so here goes, have the rules regarding replacements been changed and I missed it?

The reason I ask is that during the game on Sunday Moriarty replaced King and Lydiate replaced Warburton, however when Lydiate got his knock King came back onto the field.

Now I thought this was only allowed with regards front row players.

Lydiate was taken off for a concussion check, so I assume that allows players to return (as I think does blood subs?)

bedfordwelsh wrote:I meant to ask this question after the game but forgot so here goes, have the rules regarding replacements been changed and I missed it?

The reason I ask is that during the game on Sunday Moriarty replaced King and Lydiate replaced Warburton, however when Lydiate got his knock King came back onto the field.

Now I thought this was only allowed with regards front row players.

Temporary replacements can be used to cover a blood injury or for a head knock whilst concussion protocols are followed I believe. this applies even if all substitutions have been used as a player can return to the field whilst treatment is received.

So once its been decided he can't return the player can just stay on field then?

I'm not sure how it works if the injured player is not allowed to return, I would imagine the replacement would have to be taken off in this case but it would be interesting to here from someone who fully understands the concussion protocols.