6CW Chat v8

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Fernando wrote:

10/10 would buy

Saw that earlier tagged onto foleys rant about how poor www is at the moment

Yes the world wide web needs to get it's sh*t together Steel.

All this nonsense like porn and spam.

I just don't get excited over WWE anymore, I remember the days when I'd stay up to watch every single PPV but now I'm even considering giving the Rumble a miss because nothing about WWE is really doing it for me at the moment.

I unsubscribed from the Network this week actually due to the fact that even though NXT is great I just don't see it alone being worth the price...I'd rather save my money and spend £120 a year on PWG DVD's.

Get Hulu it's cheaper if don't mind the delay on Nxt.

It would be a ridiculous upset, there is nothing to suggest one of the lads will win and I think we'll have 100% Joshua predictions.

xviperx wrote:I just don't get excited over WWE anymore, I remember the days when I'd stay up to watch every single PPV but now I'm even considering giving the Rumble a miss because nothing about WWE is really doing it for me at the moment.

I unsubscribed from the Network this week actually due to the fact that even though NXT is great I just don't see it alone being worth the price...I'd rather save my money and spend £120 a year on PWG DVD's.

Im glutton for punishment. I'll stick through to the rumble, but if they have cena or reigns win again I'll be cancelling

I'd be up for Cena winning. I'd feel for poor old Roman if they chucked that on him. Cena/Reigns would be an excellent match.

Id sooner cena tbh, lets face it at least hea has four or five moves he'll do after getting beaten up and not just punch then spear

I wonder how theyd play a match between those two given that both are usually owned and then come back to win

Come on, lets get out of this nonsense. Both men wrestler with an array of moves. Probably as many as any other man except Cesaro who has basically been allowed a gimmick of "I can do cool s***"

If we're being honest a lot of wrestlers have their normal set ups for comebacks...I honestly think Cena is a great wrestler and has had some classic matches over the past few years.

Afternoon

Could be interesting/controversial (needn't be, mind):

Who do you think would be the best in-ring performers and who would be the worst? Not in terms of success, but the best to watch and put on the best matches?

That's a really good question.

I reckon Leone, Hart and Dicey would be good as they have been around for a bit and certainly know how to work the crowd. I think the Red Arrows would also be good to watch due to their unpredictability.

I think both my characters would be boring to watch. Joshua might have the unpredictability factor but I think the slow methodical pace would put people off. And Grace is Cena isn't he......but he does have 6 moves.

Oh by the way guys is the show on Monday or Wednesday 9th?

Good eye, Twist!

I'd say Joshua is one of those who could have an incredible match every so often with the right partner, but hes probably more about the spectacle and the spots. Arguably, more about the other guy selling his power.

Would say Reborn would sell it well. Height difference and chucking the guy around like a rag doll. Then Reborn using his speed and grinding Joshua down.

Will reply to your promo when I get 5mins tonight Dolph

QOTD:
Starting with my own characters Liam Wood would be good to watch as his move set is so versatile and until recently he was always massively over with the crowd. Austin Stevens would also be great to watch, I picked a smarky move set and he'd do all the sick stuff that certain fans love...He'd get labelled as a spot monkey at some points. Brandon Perez despite his jokey demeanour has a great technical move set so would be great for smarks who like guys like Zack Sabre JR but a lot of fans would hate it.

As for other guys, The Arrows would be great...Jack comes across like a brilliant technical wrestler with some big moves and Reborn gives off a massive Young Bucks vibe so it's a great mix. Other guys I'd love to watch personally would be Gazzy D, Thunder and Max Adamson.

I think people like Joshua, (heel) Adamson, Enforcer when he was here would have been best at doing what Austin has been talking about recently; people wrestling around the ethos of their character, not going out there just to put on a good show for the fans. You shouldn't be thinking every time you see a heel "wow, he was so good in the ring" - it makes you like him.

I think with Stevens it would be inevitable that there would be people who like him due to his character...when I created him I wanted to create the ultimate indie style guy...he didn't have the look but he had the moveset and the skill...overtime that turned in to him being a bit of a psychopath as well.

I'd say steel would be pretty terrible to watch he is just a strongman who has a bit of technical ability, he doesn't really have a move set that would make people go wow , but I think the fans would appreciate his heart and fight so cheer for him anyway.

People i think would be good to watch are, Masters, Leone, Costello, Reborn

I think Masters would be a very good one. I can imagine he would play up to being a p***k very well so that his athleticism never gets him too popular.

High flyers like Reborn and Ryker Kidd are always worth their money to watch and most Xtreme/Gimmick matches

Everyone can be great but it's who they are partnered up with that could ruin the matches, if there was no chemistry or just an off night it can happen

QOTD: If 6CW was real then how do you think your characters would be seen by the fans and other aspects of the wrestling community such as the 6CW management, the dirt sheet etc.

QOTD:
During the podcast Steel described Wood as being held back but for me personally I don't see it this way...Liam Wood rarely wins but I think this isn't a sign of being held back.

I picture Wood in the dirt sheets with headlines about him Wee weeing people off in the back and getting the Cesaro treatment but in reality he's being shown as a great worker who is rarely out of the main event scene...his last three feuds before Dicey were against guys who went on to be world champions...he's currently being given the CM Punk treatment and getting to work with big names and with this new turn I'd picture him being ready for a push. I think despite his heel turn he'd still be over with certain members of the fans, smarks would still cheer and buy his merch.

It's interesting that Viper sees all three of his characters as over with the "cool fans".

I'm a smark...I based them on wrestlers I like, pretty simple.

QOTD: If 6CW was real then how do you think your characters would be seen by the fans and other aspects of the wrestling community such as the 6CW management, the dirt sheet etc.

I say Dicey would be seen as Tommy Dreamer is seen these days, he is loved by old ECW fans but others think he should just retire

QOTD:
During the podcast Steel described Wood as being held back but for me personally I don't see it this way...Liam Wood rarely wins but I think this isn't a sign of being held back.

I picture Wood in the dirt sheets with headlines about him Wee weeing people off in the back and getting the Cesaro treatment but in reality he's being shown as a great worker who is rarely out of the main event scene...his last three feuds before Dicey were against guys who went on to be world champions...he's currently being given the CM Punk treatment and getting to work with big names and with this new turn I'd picture him being ready for a push. I think despite his heel turn he'd still be over with certain members of the fans, smarks would still cheer and buy his merch.

Who said it wont happen with Dicey as well

I'd agree, I'm not sure Wood would chuck what a wood chuck could...sorry, distracted...I'm not sure Wood is over with the smarks now. Stevens would be a heel but after a topsy-turvy run with 6WF is possibly not over yet as he's new.

I don't think I'd judge 6CW fans like WWE fans, I think they do the indy and actually TNA thing of going with what the stories suggest not just liking who is cool.

I try and view my characters rationally rather than saying they're the best thing since sliced bread. Hence why I said yesterday I think both my characters would be boring to watch....joshua might have the edge in unpredictability.

For this Qotd, I think Joshua would have discussions about his past and why he burnt McCoy. However I think he would be looked down at, in regards to him always coming out and destroying the next best thing. Maybe that has out grown people and they want a definitive character to step up and be billed as his equal. Predictions wise on here, it's been very much in his favour since he won the title and fans might be crying out for that face equal.

Grace is a tough one. Mainstream media would love him. This would bury any comments the smarks make. He would be billed as the face of 6cw, even with Jones in power. However the true fans, the prime 6cw demographic, would loathe him still. I hope personally he does things (perhaps saving notable faces) which gives those fans reason to cheer. Because if a heel turn does come, I would love it if 100% of the fans were behind him properly.

I think steel would fall into that cena camp in real times, the kids would like him but s lot of the adult fans would probably cheer his opponent.

As for me saying wood was being held back just to clear it up a bit I think it's been done for the reason to help build the character and lead him on the path he is on now, sometimes you need to have those losses to the point where a character has to change his dynamic to finally get the win.hes been against some of the best names in 6cw but not been able to get passed them but I think it will make the eventual payoff worth it in the long run.

Also can't see that it's been posted on here yet so here's a link to the podcast

https://youtu.be/uX9Vs4tzQSA

Try not to be too brutal ha it was a first attempt

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I'd agree, I'm not sure Wood would chuck what a wood chuck could...sorry, distracted...I'm not sure Wood is over with the smarks now. Stevens would be a heel but after a topsy-turvy run with 6WF is possibly not over yet as he's new.

I don't think I'd judge 6CW fans like WWE fans, I think they do the indy and actually TNA thing of going with what the stories suggest not just liking who is cool.

Wood is still over with the fans, this was shown at Ground Zero when the fans thought he was going to take their standing ovation and come back to them...he's been over from day one and has the personality to put him over with the smark crowd from his diverse Cesaro-esque moveset to his clear love of the wrestling industry...up until Night Of Glory 6 this year he was still doing wrestling tributes.

I'm not quite sure what you mean about the indie thing of doing what the story suggests...do you mean that indie crowds play along with storylines to help the product? If that was true then you wouldn't have The Young Bucks/Bullet Club being over where ever they go despite normally playing the heel role...the people who are majorly over in NXT are the guys who made it through the indies and they were over with fans heel or not...Balor, Owens, Calihan were big heels in their indie careers and were cheered in those days despite this...wrestling fans from WWE to Progress to PWG to whatever will cheer for who they think is cool/who they like and Wood has been over for so long that although the casual fans who love guys like Grace would be hating him you'd still have smark fans who would be enjoying him as a wrestler and as a performer.

Another point is that Wood has had a bad run of form since joining 6CW and the fans were still massively behind him during his feuds with Costello, Joshua and Masters...it wasn't until he turned on Dicey until fans really boo'd him...Wood has been over despite never really ever winning...this is the same for guys like Ambrose who smark guys are massively behind and talk about how he should win more.

I'm probably biased but Wood has all the hall marks of what makes the smark fans wet dream...he's got a moveset as creative as Cesaro, he's got the arrogance but still clearly loves the business like the Bucks, he's got the form that they can get behind like Ambrose and in all honesty the run of opponents he's been given since Costello has felt like the CM Punk treatment after he dropped the belt to The Rock...he's getting big feuds that he might not win but he's being put their because the management trust him and I imagine feuds with guys like Reilly are seen as rewards for his commitment.

Maybe I'm looking too much in to it, who knows?
Also I'm not comparing him directly to those guys but it's hard to argue against those points in my opinion...it's why I made them haha.

Jesus do you w**k looking at yourself in the mirror as well

Whilst you can show examples, I generally find that Indy fans choose to do what is best for the product and buy into heels and faces more. It's a positive, they generally do what is best to complement the product. Generally, not always, but generally.

I don't think Wood would be a Punk like, or even Cesaro figure. It's a very moody character so I don't think they'd be giving him the cheers. It's not really a criticism and I'm not quite sure what sparked such a reaction. 

I don't see him being considered like Ambrose, he's not like Punk at the moment and whilst he has a decent moveset, we've all written generally varied movesets so I don't see him being a standout Cesaro figure. 

I much prefer the Wood of now. I like defined character.

We weren't on about fans in general though, we were on about smark fans...smark fans cheer for the guys they like...not who they're told to cheer and that's the way it's always been really.

I never said he was like Ambrose in his character but more in his run of luck/form. If you listen to the podcast Paul talks about how Wood has been "held back" and should have a decent year due to having the potential...this is exactly the same argument people have with Ambrose, that he should be getting somewhere but he's not, he's still losing feuds and coming off second best. These are other peoples words, not mine.

I also didn't say that Wood was like Punk but more that he was getting the CM Punk treatment where he's being given great feuds that he isn't going to win...Punk was given The Rock followed by Undertaker followed by Brock Lesnar...all three were seen as huge things for him to have despite not going over the three guys...my comparison was a thank you really to the bosses as I've always seemed to get big feuds with guys who are either top of their game or heading their fast. The Cesaro move set if debatable but I think if you look at Wood's then you can see that it's incredibly diverse (this wasn't a knock on other people's move sets)

And Dicey...of course I do, isn't that normal?

I think 6cw is very different to wwe, I don't think things that work in WWE would definitely be a hit in 6cw.

Like the whole Indy thing because you create a character that has an indie background I don't think that actually means automatically a section of the fans would like them. 6cw I feel the crowd judge by the actions of the character. Wood was cheered at the end of ground zero he'd put on a good match with dicey and they showed respect for that and wood threw it in there face, personally I think the fans would just boo wood now.

The fans in 6cw aren't like wwe in my opinion

At the end of the day very few of the characters have come from a high profile background, that's why I judge it based on actions in 6cw I think there's clear lines between heel and face and what makes a tweener

Yeah I agree, I much prefer Wood now. Still think he is a lil too much like Austin for my liking.

For these qotd, I'm going to answer for other characters rather than my own. Think that's a good route to take.

I think Dicey would be massively over with the fans, probably rather like Bryan was before he finally hit the big time. Basically the fans will be listened to and he will be pushed to main event.

I think McManus, Crime Lord and Faith will be met with caution from the 6cw fans. They might not fully buy into Faiths briefcase for one, or Crime Lord's credentials of being 6wf world champion. Although CW hasn't buried WF's existence like WWE does with TNA, I think it will be a while before they brought into them. Having them as heels work in this scenario.

Costello, I think, is the closest we have to an Austin and will be cheered by the fans as such. Adamson would be the one smarks would most like to talk to, as I think he is a smarks wet dream with his accomplishments and history.

I do a few others at lunch.

Those names were linked for comparison, I don't think those comparisons are apt. 

And some smarks, especially at promotions they feel they are a part of by being a fan, will play the game along with what the promotion is asking them to do. I don't think Wood is a smark darling now, that's my opinion. 

I'd also credit those who have beaten Wood in those feuds, and that Wood has been given probably more focus as a character than any other. The wins mean something to you more than they do me, but Wood probably gets more discussion by story than anyone else so I wouldn't call him held back at all.

Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree but I stand by the comparrisons to elements of those characters (Punks run of feuds or Ambrose with his win loss record while still being given major angles) I never called him held back it was Paul and he explained what he meant, I just quoted what he said because it's similar to what people say about Ambrose.

I agree with you that those feuds and the current one I'm in have been good things for Wood, I never once said they weren't, I actually said they were good. I've happily stuck around and lost feud after feud because the story is the more important part of the show for me, I'd rather be given a feud that inspires me to promo than just win a boring feud if that makes sense?

I think McManus, Crime Lord and Faith will be met with caution from the 6cw fans. They might not fully buy into Faiths briefcase for one, or Crime Lord's credentials of being 6wf world champion. Although CW hasn't buried WF's existence like WWE does with TNA, I think it will be a while before they brought into them. Having them as heels work in this scenario.

I think if The Forgotten storyline wasn't going on the three of them should have come in like The Radicalz did in WWE or when Hero, Enforcer and Oedipus (Hobos character) joined after 6WE closed and they joined 6CW and formed Creative Control, it would have been a great storyline having them show up and cause chaos especially with Faith having the briefcase

That would be awesome Dicey...I wonder if we'll see any 6WF loyalties popping up down the road?

It could happen down the line and might be a way for Adamson to turn heel again as he was 6WF champion as well

I agree with most of Twist's comparisons. I agree that Dicey would be massively over with the fans but don't see it as a Daniel Bryan-style support. I kind of see it more as a legend returning, but on a full-time basis. Not sure there's a recent example of that in the WWE, maybe when HBK came back around 02 was it?

Costello and Austin is definitely a comparison I agree with. Probably already been said but I see the Red Arrows as very similar to the Hardy Boyz, Reborn being the more popular ala Jeff Hardy.

Might just be me on this one but I'd compare Perfect Execution to the team of Cesaro/Kidd. Two very talented singles wrestlers who for whatever reason haven't managed to reach the top(this time around) and so have combined forces. Which I guess makes Jessica the equivalent to Natalya!

As for my own character, I kind of see Hill as Jericho-esque, has a big reputation/legacy but probably not going to reach that level again, so is simply there because he enjoys the business and in turn the fans show their appreciation for that without his support ever reaching ground-breaking levels again. At the moment, I'm trying to show that Hill has humbled himself a little bit after all the fall-out with 6WF and is just thankful to be back involved.

Dicey Reilly wrote:

I think McManus, Crime Lord and Faith will be met with caution from the 6cw fans. They might not fully buy into Faiths briefcase for one, or Crime Lord's credentials of being 6wf world champion. Although CW hasn't buried WF's existence like WWE does with TNA, I think it will be a while before they brought into them. Having them as heels work in this scenario.

I think if The Forgotten storyline wasn't going on the three of them should have come in like The Radicalz did in WWE or when Hero, Enforcer and Oedipus (Hobos character) joined after 6WE closed and they joined 6CW and formed Creative Control, it would have been a great storyline having them show up and cause chaos especially with Faith having the briefcase

I do like that idea very much but I prefer to see Faith separate at the moment. I think the FFTR briefcase is a great storyline twist and his segment in the last show describing why he is back was class. Crime Lord going in The Forgotten I think made sense. It opens up possible feuds down the line when the group breaks up.

I agree Wood is not a smark darling and is much better off not being one. His new persona demands that he is booed to the rafters, especially when going against Dicey (who I said before is hugely popular). Blurring the lines doesn't work even if we may prefer our characters being popular. The only tweener is the fed is Grace, simply because his whole storyline is based on that. In that way I see Grace's direct opposite as a heel Costello or Adamson not a heel Wood.

The route you are going with Hill is a good one and it is a refreshing difference between McManus, Faith and Crime Lord. Faith's segment had a little bit of WF bashing but I think it needed it, because he is at a loose end with that FFTR briefcase. If Hill turned more into a "remembering where he came from" character, I think it would endear him far more quickly to the fans than the other three.

Dicey and HBK have a lot in common

Both sexy boys
Both former alcoholics
Both have a friend called Diesel
Both sh*gged the feds bike (Sunny/Sally Hendrix)
Both won many titles
Both like food
Both breath air

This has all reminded me that I wanted to do an end of year interview with the bosses. Probably best to do it written rather than audio (just because new year is difficult to get everyone together), any questions PM'd to me would be grand. Mat, Steve, Paul...sound like something we could do? It'd be all about asking why you did certain things, why feuds started, who had impressed most, red herrings and clues we missed, how things came together and clues to which stories will be relevant again and again into 2016.