World T20 Final England vs West Indies

I thought this now warranted a separate thread. We have a final that not many would have predicted either team would make, and a combination of finalists that probably no-one predicted!

Hoping for a good game but ultimately an England win

Looks like it should be a high scoring final on paper. Both teams have powerful batting line ups, and have bowling line ups that can ship runs. Hard to call, as is any game in T20, but my mind and heart says England.

Gut says this lineup is due for a letdown sadly.

I think both sides have batting line ups that could let them down on the day. We might see a one sided contest. Windies are all or nothing, they mainly try to hit boundaries rather than take singles and twos. If it comes off they win most times but on other days those big shots could go up in the air or find long on for example

England's issue for me is the over-reliance on a couple of players with Morgan in awful form, Hales looking scratchy and Stokes who has never played a significant T20I innings

Morgan and Hales have proven they can score in this format. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them make a contribution tomorrow. In fact I'd say we have more match winners than the West Indies.

I agree with that, it would be nice for Hales and Morgan to step up as Roy/Root/Buttler are not always going to come off

Id certainly agree theres more quality in depth in England, but then the real superstar of the piece is Chris Gayle. Even though it was others who stepped up to the plate (as Roy per England) in the semi hes still the one. And hopefully England will have a ddifferent tactic for bowling to him in the final.
If you look through the line ups England have more players who perform consistently than the Windies.

I reckon both sides would be happier chasing, it suits their style.

50-50
anybodies game

Gayle is due for a big one after 4 failures

The game is so tight with bookmakers - largely a 10/11 spread on both teams.

England have got more match-winners in their batting, and their bowling and fielding has slowly risen to the required standard - so I give England a very narrow nod.

England have the better more consistent batsmen but as we saw against India, somebody like Simmonds might play a lucky blinder, the death bowling of Stokes and Jordan could be key.

Duty281 wrote:The game is so tight with bookmakers - largely a 10/11 spread on both teams.

England have got more match-winners in their batting, and their bowling and fielding has slowly risen to the required standard - so I give England a very narrow nod.

Hi Duty - I was at the Oval today where someone said - in apparent seriousness - that he was ''going to bet on both teams to be sure of getting something back!''

Technically he's not wrong, if by "getting something back" he means the bookies giving him some money. Problem is, it will be almost surely (in the probability sense of the term, that is, with probability equal to one) less than what he paid them initially

MfC - I think there was a reason we put you in charge of the Duckworth Lewis thread.

This game is literally just whoever turns up and plays better on the day wins - we may have the more match winners in our batting line up, but the west Indies have players with far more t20 experience.

Hoping we get a good pitch 160-170 par type pitch.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Technically he's not wrong, if by "getting something back" he means the bookies giving him some money. Problem is, it will be almost surely (in the probability sense of the term, that is, with probability equal to one) less than what he paid them initially

I put money on both England and New Zealand (admittedly at different times) in the semi, and with judicious use of cash out options made money on both.

My favourite bet though was Bangladesh at 33-1 to beat India at one point, which I cashed out in the final over at 11-1.



Please note, only gamble what you can afford and you will in the long run lose more than you win.

In the women's final Australia racked up 150 from their 20 overs

Pitch seems to be a good one, outfield is quick too

18 year old Hailey Matthews potentially played the match winning knock in a T20 final

Good on ya girl

5 from 9 needed, what a great chase by the West Indies women - great stuff

Congrats to the ladies. Just go to show that talent can beat money. Australia with their big leagues ,great infrastructure etc and the west indies with only talent and drive beat them.

Sport is such a great and objective leveller .

So under 19 world cup ... won

Women's t20 world cup... won

Mens ... to be won

Mark nicholas said the west indies has no brains . We have won 2 of the 3 icc world tournaments so far this year. Imagine if we had brains?

Well done West Indies ladies

Didn't expect that result.

Pitch looks like a good one - high score needed whoever bats first tonight : given both teams have some excellent chasers I'm not sure what , if anything , will be considered "enough". Which I suppose could lead the first team to overreach ...

West Indies have won all 6 tosses this tournament

Wonder what the odds on that were

I would have batted if I were Sammy.

Put on 200 and put pressure on england to chase .

Chasing in a final can be high pressured.

Mr Brown - take your point about chasing in a final can be high pressured but would still have preferred England to chase than set. Particularly with the depth of the England batting. Anyway, we are where we are and off we go ....

England 8-2 - Roy goes 2nd ball, Hales got next over.

So much for the opening pair

Be a nice time for Morgan to find some form...

Long batting, it's not a problem, kindof felt we'd be 3 down for 20 odd

Balls I was right

23-3 - Morgan goes for 5

Warne just said he wasn't picking Badree up and next ball gone.

We're choking like a beast

Morgan has been quite frankly abysmal with the bat all tournament

Morgan should have dropped himself. Let root captain. Like sammy he is a passenger in the side

England start a Badreem...

These two are the best in the side. Root and Butler.

We need to get them. They can take it away.

Butler is the perfect foil for root

Excellent bowling from Badree. Credit to Sammy for keeping him on and cashing in at the time. The subsequent rebuilding has slowed England's run rate. Currently 67/3 at the halfway point of the innings. We'll do well to get 160 from here and I doubt that'll be enough.

84-4 - Buttler goes for 36

We're screwed.

Argh. Big wicket that, Buttler was just getting going. Probably our chance of posting 170/180 gone with that wicket.

That buttler wicket is the game you'd think, just starting to get going to

Probably best off just getting rolled for 140 now and hope the Windies get themselves in a mess chasing a smaller score, like against Afghanistan!

Get Willey in next and hope he comes off I reckon

Stokes need to fire

Got to roll the dice and try and smash this Sammy over really.

Come on England fans don't be so negative .

You have the best player in world cricket there and you have stokes

Suliemann Benn does not move gracefully in the outfield.

Joe root is so bloody good

You try moving gracefully at his height

England 103-4 after 13

could get 150-170 tbh if go hard.

Don't forget in Stokes we have a man capable of hitting a 150 ball double century, if he gets going he could go big.

He's only two inches taller than Bolt!

Root striking at nearly 160, fastest fifty in a WT20 final and only seven fours...

Should get 180 of we play well

110-5 Stokes gone

Was awful way to get out.

We need root. He is looking like he can bat until tomorrow .

He is a class apart in this line up.