What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

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Well, the title says it all really. What a pathetic, embarrassing finish to the PRO12 it was for the Welsh regions. I am livid, as a Welsh rugby fan I am bouncing, and it just goes to show how right I am when I talk about the attitudes towards the game that the regions take. What does it matter to the regions that they got beaten on the weekend ? Nothing, that's what, they do not have to worry.

Ospreys knew what they needed to do and the were shamed in their own back yard. If I were a paying customer on Saturday I would have been demanding my money back. Scarlets were the same, they just gave up in the second half, and the less said about Dragons the better. Where was the pride ? 

I live in hope that next season will be better, Welsh domestic rugby is in a dark place at the moment, how any fans of the regions can come on here and defend their teams showing over this season is beyond me. No doubt I will get attacked from every quarter on here by the likes of Risca, Stone motif, mikey dragon, PhillBB, Scarletspiderman, but how can they argue ? It's no wonder that the amount of fans going to watch our regions are not as good as elsewhere, it's because of the crap being served up infront of them week in week out, who would want to keep paying for it ?

But what does it matter, the regions will still get the same funding next year, they will still get the same money from Europe, nothing will change for them, so why should they change ?

PhilBB wrote:Doesn't the sign for the 'Valleys' start beyond Pontypridd? Factually?

No. There is no sign for "Valleys". You see, valleys is not an official place, it's just something that has been used to define the towns in which people have lived in for hundreds of years, since the days of iron works and coal mines.

The same for the A465, what do people call it ? The heads of the valleys road, because it links all the valleys, yet it's name is A465. It is never been called The Heads OF the Valleys Rd officially. It does not say it on any maps, it does not say it on any signs.

Look at a map of Wales, and look fir a place called "Valleys" you will not find it.

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:Doesn't the sign for the 'Valleys' start beyond Pontypridd? Factually?

No. There is no sign for "Valleys". You see, valleys is not an official place, it's just something that has been used to define the towns in which people have lived in for hundreds of years, since the days of iron works and coal mines.

The same for the A465, what ido people call it ? The heads of the valleys road, because it links all the valleys, yet it's name is A465. It is never been called The Heads OF the Valleys Rd. It does not say it on any maps, it does not say it on any signs.

Look at a map of Wales, and find a place called "Valleys" you will not find it.

So what valley is Pontypridd in?

PhilBB wrote:So what valley is Pontypridd in?

The Valleys in Glamorgan, the one that goes all the way up through to Powys, it contains all of Rhondda, Glyncoch, Porth, Tonypandy, Ystrad, Gelli, Ton Pentre, all the way up to Treherbert, and finishes at the base of the Rhigos mountain.

Just to confirm there are lots of other villages and towns I have missed out on that route as well. But is that enough for you ?

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:So what valley is Pontypridd in?

The Valleys in Glamorgan, the one that goes all the way up through to Powys, it contains all of Rhondda, Glyncoch, Porth, Tonypandy, Ystrad, Gelli, Ton Pentre, all the way up to Treherbert, and finishes at the base of the Rhigos mountain.

Just to confirm there are lots of other villages and towns I have missed out on that route as well. But is that enough for you ?

Are you sure? I mean, Barry is in Glamorgan but is not in a valley.

Doesn't Pontypridd stand at the junction of the Rhondda and Taff / Cynon Valleys, so isn't actually in a valley?

I like the valleys. I went to Tonyrefail once and there were really nice views.

PhilBB wrote:Doesn't Pontypridd stand at the junction of the Rhondda and Taff / Cynon Valleys, so isn't actually in a valley?

It's the gateway to the valley I have just mentioned. To help you out, the next main valley over is the Aberdare one, it contains villages such as Abercynon, Mountain Ash, Abercwmboi, Cwmbach, Llwycoed to name a few.

You then get the far more densely populated one which contains towns like Treharis, Trelewis, Merthyr Vale, and Merthyr Tydfil. Any further east and you are entering the Gwent and the Gwent Valleys.

The only places I personally consider 'valleys' are those in and around Rhondda - so that includes Pontypridd, which I also thought was in Rhondda. It makes me laugh when pretenders come down from Risca, Blackwood and Pontypool claiming they're from the valleys.

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:Doesn't Pontypridd stand at the junction of the Rhondda and Taff / Cynon Valleys, so isn't actually in a valley?

It's the gateway to the valley I have just mentioned. To help you out, the next main valley over is the Aberdare one, it contains villages such as Abercynon, Mountain Ash, Abercwmboi, Cwmbach, Llwycoed to name a few.

You then get the far more densely populated one which contains towns like Treharis, Trelewis, Merthyr Vale, and Merthyr Tydfil. Any further east and you are entering the Gwent and the Gwent Valleys.

It's the gateway. Thanks. So not actually in a valley. We got there at last.

mikey_dragon wrote:The only places I personally consider 'valleys' are those in and around Rhondda - so that includes Pontypridd, which I also thought was in Rhondda. It makes me laugh when pretenders come down from Risca, Blackwood and Pontypool claiming they're from the valleys.

It may be that Pontypridd is NOT in the Rhondda....

Where is this sign for "Valleys" that you say is factual Phil ? I want to go and see it.

PhilBB wrote:It may be that Pontypridd is NOT in the Rhondda....

Where is "the Rhondda" ?

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:It may be that Pontypridd is NOT in the Rhondda....

Where is "the Rhondda" ?

North of Pontypridd, no? As you yourself wrote above.

LordDowlais wrote:Where is this sign for "Valleys" that you say is factual Phil ? I want to go and see it.

Point me to my post where I wrote that there is a 'sign for the "Valleys" that is factual'.

Thanks.

Pontypridd.

Don't mind me lads, continue your discussion. I'm just using it as a geography lesson for me. Interesting.

So I went to look up Pontypridd, - I've never been to it - but I looked it up on ye olde Google Earth.
Straight away you pretty much can see that it seems to be slotted in between a few promontories.

Pontypridd itself is about 65metres above sea level. The promontory to the North is approx. 230M, the promontory to the East is approx. 200M (at least close in, it rises even more as you pull away from the town, the promontory to the South is approx. 220M, and the promontory to the West is approx. 240M.

Is this the technically accurate 'valley' situated town you're all on about?

mikey_dragon wrote:The only places I personally consider 'valleys' are those in and around Rhondda - so that includes Pontypridd, which I also thought was in Rhondda. It makes me laugh when pretenders come down from Risca, Blackwood and Pontypool claiming they're from the valleys.

Is Risca not directly in between two mountains, so very much in a valley?

SecretFly wrote:
Is this the technically accurate 'valley' situated town you're all on about?

So which Valley is it in?

PhilBB wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:It may be that Pontypridd is NOT in the Rhondda....

Where is "the Rhondda" ?

North of Pontypridd, no? As you yourself wrote above.

Show me on a map where it say "The Rhondda". Or tell me where you have seen a sign that says "The Rhondda". I wait with anticipation.

Who gives a Poopie, really?

This thread started dire and has gone downhill from there.

I always remember reading before on the old ChumV site that clubs like Pontypridd, Llantwit Fardre and Beddau were the Taff Valley clubs. Not sure if the Taff Valley is a proper terminology though

Ponty town and the surrounding areas come under the Pontypridd constituency not Rhondda. So under no political or geographical way can Ponty be in the Rhondda

PhilBB wrote:

SecretFly wrote:
Is this the technically accurate 'valley' situated town you're all on about?

So which Valley is it in?

A valley. It's in a Valley. How many valleys on this planet have yet to be named?

A name doesn't denote a definition. Pontypridd is situated in a valley.

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:It may be that Pontypridd is NOT in the Rhondda....

Where is "the Rhondda" ?

North of Pontypridd, no? As you yourself wrote above.

Show me on a map where it say "The Rhondda". Or tell me where you have seen a sign that says "The Rhondda". I wait with anticipation.

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A3J843/roadside-sign-on-the-bwlch-mountain-at-the-entrance-to-the-rhondda-A3J843.jpg

SecretFly wrote:

A valley.  It's in a Valley.  How many valleys on this planet have yet to be named?  

A name doesn't denote a definition.  Pontypridd is situated in a valley.

Right, so it's in a nameless valley because your computer says so.

Cheers.

Steffan wrote:I always remember reading before on the old ChumV site that clubs like Pontypridd, Llantwit Fardre and Beddau were the Taff Valley clubs. Not sure if the Taff Valley is a proper terminology though

Ponty town and the surrounding areas come under the Pontypridd constituency not Rhondda. So under no political or geographical way can Ponty be in the Rhondda

Ouch.

That is not "The Rhonnda" though is it ? Rhondda is not a place anymore. Also, by the looks of it, that sign is from the 70's or 80's.

As everybody is saying, there is NO name for each valley in Wales.

PhilBB wrote:

Steffan wrote:I always remember reading before on the old ChumV site that clubs like Pontypridd, Llantwit Fardre and Beddau were the Taff Valley clubs. Not sure if the Taff Valley is a proper terminology though

Ponty town and the surrounding areas come under the Pontypridd constituency not Rhondda. So under no political or geographical way can Ponty be in the Rhondda

Ouch.

Nobody said Pontypridd was part of Rhondda did they ?

PhilBB wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

A valley.  It's in a Valley.  How many valleys on this planet have yet to be named?  

A name doesn't denote a definition.  Pontypridd is situated in a valley.

Right, so it's in a nameless valley because your computer says so.

Cheers.

Why the need to always have a argument with your fingernails, Phil? How many bits of keratin have you left? Or have you needed to go stir up your toes.

Pontypridd is in a valley. The politics of that truth, I'll leave to you and the other Welsh lads here.

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

Steffan wrote:I always remember reading before on the old ChumV site that clubs like Pontypridd, Llantwit Fardre and Beddau were the Taff Valley clubs. Not sure if the Taff Valley is a proper terminology though

Ponty town and the surrounding areas come under the Pontypridd constituency not Rhondda. So under no political or geographical way can Ponty be in the Rhondda

Ouch.

Nobody said Pontypridd was part of Rhondda did they ?

I thought I read someone saying it was. People in real life have thought it is part of the Rhondda though

Then you have the Ely Valley in RCT. Places like Gilfach Goch and Tonyrefail. But I agree that no Valley has a real name

LordDowlais wrote:That is not "The Rhonnda" though is it ? Rhondda is not a place anymore. Also, by the looks of it, that sign is from the 70's or 80's.

As everybody is saying, there is NO name for each valley in Wales.

You may not find a sign that says 'The Gower' but some call it that, others call it 'Gower'. To sink to quibbling whether a definite article should be used is an interesting attempt to save face.

So we've now sunk to claiming 'everybody' (which is clearly untrue) thinking Pontypridd is in an unnamed valley.

O.K.

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:So what valley is Pontypridd in?

The Valleys in Glamorgan, the one that goes all the way up through to Powys, it contains all of Rhondda, Glyncoch, Porth, Tonypandy, Ystrad, Gelli, Ton Pentre, all the way up to Treherbert, and finishes at the base of the Rhigos mountain.

Just to confirm there are lots of other villages and towns I have missed out on that route as well. But is that enough for you ?

It's odd that you chose to write the above only to move on to claim that Pontypridd is an unnamed valley.

Oh well.

Steffan wrote:But I agree that no Valley has a real name

Can you please explain that to Phil please Steff ?

RiscaGame wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:The only places I personally consider 'valleys' are those in and around Rhondda - so that includes Pontypridd, which I also thought was in Rhondda. It makes me laugh when pretenders come down from Risca, Blackwood and Pontypool claiming they're from the valleys.

Is Risca not directly in between two mountains, so very much in a valley?

I did say me personally. And you can add Cwmbran to that, and it actually has valley in its name. They all work in Newport, eat in Newport, shop in Newport, spend their weekends drinking in Newport yet still try and run the place down so they're all idiots from wannabe valleys to me; say no more.

*to steffan, goes to show how little I know and how little I wish to know about your smudge on a map , go have a beer in a civilised place south of your town pal.

PhilBB wrote:It's odd that you chose to write the above only to move on to claim that Pontypridd is an unnamed valley.

Ok then Phil, over to you. Can you please tell us all the names of these valleys, from Ystradgynlias to Abbergavenny ? West to east preferably.

LordDowlais wrote:

Steffan wrote:But I agree that no Valley has a real name

Can you please explain that to Phil please Steff ?

Can you explain why you tried to claim it was the 'Glamorgan Valley'?

You can see the source of my confusion.

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:It's odd that you chose to write the above only to move on to claim that Pontypridd is an unnamed valley.

Ok then Phil, over to you. Can you please tell us all the names of these valleys, from Ystradgynlias to Abbergavenny ? West to east preferably.

Wouldn't have a clue, mate. I'll leave the fabrication of names to you in this thread.

I'll sit with 'Pontypridd isn't in a named valley'.

PhilBB wrote:

You can see the source of my confusion.

The debate continues, Phil. There is no consensus as yet. You will be informed when everyone agrees on your source of confusion.

mikey_dragon wrote:*to steffan, goes to show how little I know and how little I wish to know about your smudge on a map , go have a beer in a civilised place south of your town pal.

I don't live in the town. I live in a quiet village 4-5 miles outside. And I do drink in Cardiff (I assume that's what you mean) on a regular basis actually. Have lived there as well

However your constant "Ponty is a hell hole and anyone from there needs to be shot" is rather childish and doesn't really have sod all to do with rugby...pal

SecretFly wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

You can see the source of my confusion.

The debate continues, Phil.  There is no consensus as yet.  You will be informed when everyone agrees on your source of confusion.

I'm hoping that you're in your 70s.

PhilBB wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

You can see the source of my confusion.

The debate continues, Phil.  There is no consensus as yet.  You will be informed when everyone agrees on your source of confusion.

I'm hoping that you're in your 70s.

Phil must have a thing for septuagenarians

Oh you're a good old sort all the same, Phil.

A bark manufactured to be worse than the bite. You're good for a laugh. The place would be dull without you.

Carry on.

Steffan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:*to steffan, goes to show how little I know and how little I wish to know about your smudge on a map , go have a beer in a civilised place south of your town pal.

I don't live in the town. I live in a quiet village 4-5 miles outside. And I do drink in Cardiff (I assume that's what you mean) on a regular basis actually. Have lived there as well

However your constant "Ponty is a hell hole and anyone from there needs to be shot" is rather childish and doesn't really have sod all to do with rugby...pal

Well it's no surprise you'd want to live outside of Ponty, rather than live there and be in denial forever.

It's not constant, I've only brought this up about the town today. It's a bit rich for you to moan when all you do is come on here to run down other Welsh towns, cities and their teams so you can illicit an emotional response from someone - this is why some folk happen to inform you how Ponty are small time in the real rugby world. I've never heard welsh rugby supporters say anything positive about Pontypridd fans and that doesn't come as a surprise to me either. Jog on.

mikey_dragon wrote:Well it's no surprise you'd want to live outside of Ponty

Why. What's wrong with the town?

Steffan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Well it's no surprise you'd want to live outside of Ponty

Why. What's wrong with the town?

Their rugby fans.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Steffan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Well it's no surprise you'd want to live outside of Ponty

Why. What's wrong with the town?

Their rugby fans.

What..every one of them? Every singe one?

Steffan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Steffan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Well it's no surprise you'd want to live outside of Ponty

Why. What's wrong with the town?

Their rugby fans.

What..every one of them? Every singe one?

Yeah.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Steffan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Steffan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Well it's no surprise you'd want to live outside of Ponty

Why. What's wrong with the town?

Their rugby fans.

What..every one of them? Every singe one?

Yeah.

Didn't realise you knew every single one of them

Very mature...

Mr Irony .

mikey_dragon wrote:Ponty and their fans, the worst bunch in world rugby

A bit like this really...

Like you have met every bunch of fans in the WORLD

It's like my 10 year old nephew (who is a Ponty fan by the way so therefore one of the evil lot you hate) saying that Liverpool were the crappest team in the world because they lost last night

You're a like a little kid the way you say stuff

mikey_dragon wrote:It's a bit rich for you to moan when all you do is come on here to run down other Welsh towns, cities and their teams so you can illicit an emotional response from someone

*Elicit.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:It's a bit rich for you to moan when all you do is come on here to run down other Welsh towns, cities and their teams so you can illicit an emotional response from someone

*Elicit.

And there was me thinking I'm gonna be in Ponty magistrates next week for obtaining "emotional responses" via unlawful means...

Steffan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Ponty and their fans, the worst bunch in world rugby

A bit like this really...

Like you have met every bunch of fans in the WORLD

It's like my 10 year old nephew (who is a Ponty fan by the way so therefore one of the evil lot you hate) saying that Liverpool were the crappest team in the world because they lost last night

You're a like a little kid the way you say stuff

Oh how ironic when we take into account your constant berating of Newport, Dragons and everything outside of Ponty. You also keep biting so I see no reason to stop. Btw speaking of Ponty how are their rugby team doing? I heard they don't do as well without their Blues players .