Australia v England, 18 June

by **George Carlin** Mon 13 Jun - 20:07

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AUSTRALIA v ENGLAND
18 June 2016
20:00 AEST (UTC+10)
AAMI Park, Melbourne

Live on [tbc]

Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
Touch judges: [tbc]
Television match official: [tbc]

A. Head to Head

45 Played 45
25 Won 19
1 Drawn 1
19 Lost 25
968 Points 713

B. Recent Form

11 June 2016 - Suncorp, Brisbane: Australia 28–39 England

3 October 2015 - Twickenham, London: 13 – 33 to Australia

29 November 2014 - Twickenham, London: 26 – 17 to England

2 November 2013 - Twickenham, London: 20 – 13 to England

17 November 2012 - Twickenham, London: 14 – 20 to Australia

13 November 2010 - Twickenham, London: 35 – 18 to England

19 June 2010 - Telstra Stadium, Sydney: 20 – 21 to England

12 June 2010 - Subiaco Oval, Perth: 27 – 17 to Australia

C. Teams

AUSTRALIA
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Israel Folau; Dane Haylett-Petty, Tevita Kuridrani, Samu Kerevi, Rob Horne; Bernard Foley, Nick Phipps; James Slipper, Stephen Moore (capt), Sekope Kepu, Rory Arnold, Sam Carter, Scott Fardy, Michael Hooper, Sean McMahon.

Replacements (three to be omitted): Tatafu Polota-Nau, Toby Smith, Greg Holmes, James Horwill, Dean Mumm, Wycliff Palu, Ben McCalman, Liam Gill, Nick Frisby, Christian Leali'ifano, Luke Morahan

ENGLAND
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Australia v England, 18 June - Page 6 Lion10

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 8:10

king_carlos wrote: Moore on the other hand I would not expect to be as outplayed by Hartley twice in a row.

Anyone's game. Haskell was fantastic at the weekend but has so often failed to back performances like that up.

Just on those two points:

Hartley has been derided for a long time by so many especially in the SH. England fans have always said (ignoring his discipline) that he is one the best international hookers out there. And England fans have always been laughed at for saying that.
Personally I think we'll see the same from Hartley again tomorrow.

And normally I would wholeheartedly agree with you about Haskell. If you had the time to trawl through the endless threads gone by you will see that me and many others have moaned at his inconsistency. On his day blindingly good in a physical capacity, but never matches that game after game.

In the 6n this season however something happened that we didn't expect....he DID match it! And he has in the first test in Oz aswell. Jones or Borthwick or Gustard has him seemingly playing a simple game that suits him and the team perfectly. Again I think we'll see that tomorrow. Nothing refined or such...Just a wrecking ball of a performance...similar to the one that unsettled the much vaunted aussie back row.

Add in Itoje, Robshaw, Kruis, and even Cole as a marauding pack and suddenly Gustards influence becomes increasingly clear.

BUT I'm not getting carried away. We're still a work in progress...and Australia are an extremely dangerous wounded animal!

by ChequeredJersey Sat 18 Jun - 8:53

trebellbobaggins wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Do we all agree that this Aussie team is better than the 2013 version?

Huge favourites again for sure. Probably 15-20 point win for them.

Definitely, the 2013 Aussies were really quite poor

by kingelderfield Sat 18 Jun - 16:44

No 7&1/2 wrote:Twelvetrees seems gone and Devoto has been 1 of the poorer tourists for me. I'd agree with beshocked (gulp) to a point Mallinder or Slade depending on team makeup.

As I say stranger things have happened but yes I agree regards 36. As for Devoto, yes I've been relatively disappointed (does he have the vision - don't know?) as well. Am I / are we all expecting too much? I'm not sure and equally am uncertain if he's really a 10 or 12? Either way I expect the tutoring he'll receive from Baxter etc. will help us determine the outcome.

Which brings us interestingly onto Slade, because obviously he and Devoto will be part of an exciting Cheifs back line next year. But actually I don't recall ever seeing Slade play 12 and if that is the case where is he going to compete for both Exeter and england; 10, 12, 13 or even from fullback?

So finally is the young englsh oak, the greenest of green wood the true owner of the wand? Not that Harry!

by kingelderfield Sat 18 Jun - 16:53

Side track side stepped.

So has everyone got their feet firmly on the ground?

On paper I think you'd have to have Ozy down as favorites; SH ref, revenge from last week, do or die back to the wall position, 2nd test lions (melbourne) history, poor pitch to negate our forward power, transition between their enhanced togetherness and our accelerating weariness.

However as they say games are not won on paper......

History beckons but reality is?

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 19:40

Well on to the England match now after the disappointment of the Welsh result (great play from the AB's though). Still feel England are the better team and will win comfortably.

by nathan Sat 18 Jun - 19:41

eirebilly wrote:Well on to the England match now after the disappointment of the Welsh result (great play from the AB's though). Still feel England are the better team and will win comfortably.

I feel we'll lose this test by 10 - 15. Hope I'm wrong though

by Duty281 Sat 18 Jun - 19:43

eirebilly wrote:Well on to the England match now after the disappointment of the Welsh result (great play from the AB's though). Still feel England are the better team and will win comfortably.

Agreed. England by ten.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 19:45

nathan wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Well on to the England match now after the disappointment of the Welsh result (great play from the AB's though). Still feel England are the better team and will win comfortably.
I feel we'll lose this test by 10 - 15. Hope I'm wrong though

You will be wrong thumbsup

by alfie Sat 18 Jun - 20:00

Hope you're right , eirebilly. Wounded Wallabies can be dangerous...

Reckon a lot depends on how the ref interprets the scrum battles - there has been plenty of propaganda going around here in advance of the match Smile

by mikey_dragon Sat 18 Jun - 20:06

I think England could win. Everything Jones touches these days turns to gold (not green and gold). His luck should run out by next season though Wink

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by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 20:06

I feel that the Aussies have the edge n the backline alfie (very tall and strong) but in the pack its England. I think England will again get more forward momentum due to this and pressurise the Aussies.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 20:12

Already seeing a lack of composure in the Aussies Very Happy

by Duty281 Sat 18 Jun - 20:14

Few avoidable errors already from both sides.

by Duty281 Sat 18 Jun - 20:23

Well that decision hasn't gone down well with the crowd. Very Happy

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 20:24

Robshaw a very lucky man there, on another day that could have been deemed a yellow card for the neckroll...

by Scottrf Sat 18 Jun - 20:26

Agree. That neckroll should be a yellow.

by lostinwales Sat 18 Jun - 20:26

Not watching but from what I have read it already seems that Cheika's 'we don't do niggle' line seems a bit questionable

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 20:28

Can someone pleas tell me what Mako brings to the side. I just cant see it.

Hes carrying is much vaunted yet to me at this level its simply not.

Or am I being unfair and missing it

by Duty281 Sat 18 Jun - 20:31

England overloading on the up-and-unders somewhat.

Never mind, great attacking mindset delivers the try.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 20:31

Well England get the first try through Hartley. England on top but the Aussies are not far off.

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 20:32

But that'll do!!!

by bluestonevedder Sat 18 Jun - 20:32

Anyone got a decent stream they can PM me?

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 20:33

bluestonevedder wrote:Anyone got a decent stream they can PM me?

by Hammersmith harrier Sat 18 Jun - 20:34

Cole has got Slipper here.

by Duty281 Sat 18 Jun - 20:35

Australia really wound up.

by lostinwales Sat 18 Jun - 20:36

Given the last couple of years its easy to forget how good a prop Cole can be

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 20:37

Jeez that pitch is appalling

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 20:42

The Aussies are rattled at the moment.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Jun - 20:42

Cole is destroying Slipper, great to watch.

by alfie Sat 18 Jun - 20:43

Well worth the ten point lead so far...but can England keep this intensity going ?

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 20:48

And that's a good reaction to being rattled.

by alfie Sat 18 Jun - 20:48

Aussies' turn for a try by the skipper...

Game on

by trebellbobaggins Sat 18 Jun - 20:49

Good start from England but the pack got absolutely munched there. Worrying that Aussie can get on top and can drive over that easily.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 18 Jun - 20:49

alfie wrote:Well worth the ten point lead so far...but can England keep this intensity going ?

As it turns out no. Aussie back on top in this game.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 20:50

If I was Jones, I would be considering taking Robshaw off. He is having a bit of a bad game and has Joubert's eye after the neckroll earlier.

Good try from Australia but England really have to sort the re-starts out.

by Scottrf Sat 18 Jun - 20:50

Bore off treb.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 18 Jun - 20:53

Aussie surely favourites even more so now, the momentum has shifted. Second best in the world don't lose these series.

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 20:53

We need to get the ball in our hand!!

We cant just let them have the ball all the time.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 20:53

I would also bring Care on sooner rather than later.

Scottrf, you will understand Treb's posting style after a while thumbsup

by trebellbobaggins Sat 18 Jun - 20:53

Scottrf wrote:Bore off treb.

Nope. Just saying what I see.

by Duty281 Sat 18 Jun - 20:54

Why did Watson take a quick line-out?!

See the half out, not indulge in kamikaze attack.

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 20:55

Erm Joubert the numbers were in red...Billy kicked it out correctly!!!

by Duty281 Sat 18 Jun - 20:58

What heroic defence. The difference between victory and defeat.

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 20:59

Sorry you didn't get the result yo wanted there Joubert you cheating tw*t!!!!!

by mikey_dragon Sat 18 Jun - 20:59

Good defence and character shown by England then.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 18 Jun - 20:59

Topsy turvy stuff. England couldn't stop them in a maul but stopped them in open play.

by alfie Sat 18 Jun - 20:59

So 10-7 at half time. England might feel they could have been further ahead on the play do far ? But they were under a bit of pressure there in the last few minutes ...make that incredible pressure after the half should have ended Smile

Second half going to be a cracker...

by eirebilly Sat 18 Jun - 20:59

How many times has Phipps been caught? That last attack should have resulted in a try for the Aussies but Phipps was way too slow.

Should not have even been a last attack, Joubert got that wrong.

by Geordie Sat 18 Jun - 21:00

England are on the ropes.

We simlpy CANT give Australia this much ball in the second half or they'll cruise to a win.
We have to get hold of it, and go through some phases.

Make them defend!

by Hammersmith harrier Sat 18 Jun - 21:00

Joubert is a tool we all know that, great defence spares his blushes.

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