Froch victory and Ward

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Congrats Froch. I had it 117-112 with one shared. Johnson started well and looked powerful but our boy wore him down well and showed once again his chin in the process. I actually think Froch could of won it easier but still won it clearly the 114-114 card was a joke, even Johnson knew he lost. But fair play played out like most thought, Johnson is a beast and koing him is not possible unless he fights on till he completley shot. Interesting seeing Froch in ring with Ward. both very respectful, Ward looked a little shy but thats usually the case for the guy in the suit against the guy whose adrenilin is still pumping through his veins. Proud of our boy tonight, watched it on showtime but will downlaod it tomorrow if only for Jim Watts silly commentary, bet he had it even.

Viva la Froch. Please Please beat that grab n hold Ward (who i think may be on PED's, just throwing it out there)

Is this CARL Froch you're on about Steffan? The boxer? Seriously, I think you have issues with this silly hatred.

Steffan wrote:

Bob wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:How do you come to the conclusion that Froch is a school bully?

He's a dead ringer (ahem) for the one that sodomised poor steffan so badly in high school.

Cant say I was ever bullied in school to be honest. Glad of that. Felt sorry for the kids who were though. Froch reminds me of the bullies though. Not a nice person at all

You must be alone in thinking that, the guy is slightly arrogant although is fairly realistic at the same time but can't see how you despite not knowing the man can say he's not a nice person

I'm fairly good friends with his cousin who has always said he's a lovely guy

88Chris05 wrote:

Steffan wrote:And I aint the one bringing natinality into this fellas I dislike Froch fullstop nothing to do with nationality

Seriously Steffy, you should do stand up, mate!

STEFFY?. Being a big tough man and taking the mick out of someones name on a messageboard. I like it mate

Hush now, Steffy

Nah, lads-Steffy's telling the truth. His disliking Froch has nothing to do with nationality. It's just because Froch has criticised JC in the past. The fact HE's a Welshy OS utterly and entirely coincidental. Seriously.

Steffan wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

Steffan wrote:And I aint the one bringing natinality into this fellas I dislike Froch fullstop nothing to do with nationality

Seriously Steffy, you should do stand up, mate!

STEFFY?. Being a big tough man and taking the mick out of someones name on a messageboard. I like it mate

Big tough man? I can only dream, mate. Don't let me (or anyone else) discourage you, anyhow - we all want to hear about how Froch has a big nose, how Hopkins aint no real man because he fights set ups instead of Cleverly and how Truss keeps you around and gives you respect when others would have said "drop that bum!"

rowley wrote:Personally I hate Froch. He is the most detestable man in English boxing
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I agree Steffan, a British fighter only going after proper belts, fighting good fighters back to back in fights that tend to be entertaining and travelling overseas to make all that happen, he's a scumbag and the last thing the sport needs I can't stand him either. Just glad you have valid reasons to hate him, would be pathetic to think you disliked him solely for saying nasty things about Calzaghe.

hahaha you tell him Rowley...Viva la Froch

Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names.

Gavin... Steffan...etc

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names.

Gavin... Steffan...etc

...Joe Calzaghe...

Just watched the showtime broadcast and they had froch even further ahead by like 8 rounds. The rounds froch won were not as close as the rounds johnson won imo. Great fight, froch is really doing british boxing proud!

I gotta admit, I was worried those big rights were gonna wear him down and spark him. Johnson was blowing a bit toward the end. I never cease to be surprised at how tough Froch seems to be.

Steffan your last post was removed and you know why.

azania wrote:Steffan your last post was removed and you know why.

Yeah sorry when you stand up to racist people writing comments like "Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names Gavin... Steffan...etc" it is wrong I agree

I havnt mentioned anything about nationality (which I promised not to do on V2 606) but just because I dont like Carl Froch suddenly the anti-Welsh taunts start to surface

Shame

Steffanie, your agenda's as subtle as a brick. Come on; let's hear in depth the reasons you hate Froch. Get it off your chest. I'm sure you have simply DOZENS of valid reasons...

BALTIMORA wrote:Steffanie

Ah the petty name calling. Aint heard that since primary school when I was about 8...

Couple of years ago then

Steffan wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:Steffanie

Ah the petty name calling. Aint heard that since primary school when I was about 8...

Excellent. Waiting to hear exactly why you hate Froch. Specifics, if you please. Chop chop.

Funny really I notice you are from the Midlands. Was on holiday (in Pembrokeshire, Wales as it goes) with my mate who is of Mauritian decent and he got called a P*ki by some guy wearing an Aston Villa shirt with a think Midlands accent. Wasnt you by any chance was it?

good fight, was impressed with both men, didn't think johnson would get into the fight as much as he did. unbeleivable chins from both men, both landed punchs that would KOd alot of people and neither ever look in danger. am really impressed with frochs determination, it wasnt always going his way but if ever johnson landed he would instantly land 4-5 punch combos, not allowing johnson to pinch any points, then in some bursts he was just brilliant. credit to both men, and johnson was very humble. think froch is still improving, doesnt seem to be slowing down at all.

Guya dont spoil a good thread please with petty jibes.

Steffan wrote:Funny really I notice you are from the Midlands. Was on holiday (in Pembrokeshire, Wales as it goes) with my mate who is of Mauritian decent and he got called a P*ki by some guy wearing an Aston Villa shirt with a think Midlands accent. Wasnt you by any chance was it?

No, it wouldn't have been me, sweetie. Several reason why. One, I've not been to Pembrokeshire since childhood. Two, I've never worn, much less owned, a football shirt of any kind. Three, I've more respect for people than that, having had a girlfriend of Mauritian descent for two and a half years in the past. Oh, and lastly; what's a 'think' Midlands accent?

Besides which, I find it hard to believe you have a friend of any kind, Mauritian or otherwise.

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Steffan wrote:what's a 'think' Midlands accent?

Besides which, I find it hard to believe you have a friend of any kind, Mauritian or otherwise.

A 'think' Midlands accent is like a heavy accent only stronger

I have lots of friends. Infact im meeting some of them now for a few beers (ones English, the others an Aussie and the others a local lad like me)

Glad we cleared that up though. Im sure your a good person deep down and besides I dont come on here to make enemies. I hate Carl Froch and always will. Sorry if you dont like it but thats how I feel

Anyway im off to get leathered. The perks of being a mature student during the summer

Catch you in the week

azania wrote:Guya dont spoil a good thread please with petty jibes.

I agree az. It is a good thread and I didnt want to spoil it. And just because I dont like Froch doenst mean I wont pay him respect. Aint seen all the fight yet but from the bits I have seen looks like he fought very well. A fight with Ward will be a cracker no doubt. Im sure Froch will give him a run for his money but I will be cheering on Andre

Fair do Stef. Enjoy the boozer. Oh, and for the record mate...I'm a born and bred northern monkey, living in the Midlands.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names.

Gavin... Steffan...etc

Or Swansea Jack

I had it by 2 rounds to Froch - some tough rounds to score. So did most watching at the sametime and on the shoutbox where I was.

Decision was correct and the right man won.

Johnson looked tired in the latter half of the fight and don't know if that was the weight or age but I would have expected Froch to take advantage.

Not an impressive performance by Froch as he could make things easier for himself and at times looked awkward and far too easy to hit even by the plodding Johnson.

He needs to get better if he hopes to beat Andre Ward, Lucian Bute or Mikkel Kessler in the future.

i personally believe Steffany was one of those kids who were pinned down and spat on, awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

WelshDevilRob wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names.

Gavin... Steffan...etc

Or Swansea Jack

haha thats funny welshdevilrob im guessing ur a bluebird with the hump never mind son cardiff always choke when push comes to shove. this jack has got a fiver on u guys being relegated and us staying up next season.
pretty good odds and a bet i couldnt refuse hehe
swansea jack in peace ... and the prem lol

BALTIMORA wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names.

Gavin... Steffan...etc

...Joe Calzaghe...

Joe Calzaghe was born in London, England.

Steffan wrote:

azania wrote:Steffan your last post was removed and you know why.

Yeah sorry when you stand up to racist people writing comments like "Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names Gavin... Steffan...etc" it is wrong I agree

I havnt mentioned anything about nationality (which I promised not to do on V2 606) but just because I dont like Carl Froch suddenly the anti-Welsh taunts start to surface

Shame

Wales is not a race so my comments are not racist...

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names.

Gavin... Steffan...etc

...Joe Calzaghe...

Joe Calzaghe was born in London, England.

True but that's largely irrelevant. He's still Welsh. Just.

Post fight press conference link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wloqFAx7pTU

worth it just for the 11:14min when froch is asked what he thinks about 114-114 score

Hadn't see that video. Really good to hear Froch say what I think everyone's thinking about Ward and his 'tactics' (head). Still not convinced Froch will be able to adapt to the dull, DULL way Ward fights, but it's reassuring to know both he and McCracken seem well aware of the challenge Ward presents.

First time I've really seen Froch interviewed. Quite like how he just says what he thinks about things.

as a sell confesed calzaghe nut i honestly think joe had the number of a lot of the top top fighters ...but
he stayed with fish eyes to long and it all well and good saying calzaghe would have beaten froch( which i think he would have ) fact of the matter is if froch keeps winning and against the callibre of opponents hes faced in his last few fights then u gta say hes gna be above calzaghe in most peoples eyes and fair play to him he deserves it.
jc used to moan he didnt get the recognitoin he deserved untill late. froch is making it happen now and fair play to the guy for it
i didnt used to like him but my opinion has changed hes more than filled the gap that jc has left

Seanusarrilius wrote:Post fight press conference link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wloqFAx7pTU

worth it just for the 11:14min when froch is asked what he thinks about 114-114 score

Froch makes a lot of sense.

To be fair Bamber whenever Froch is interviewed he tends to come across as pretty articulate and reasonable. His problem early in his career was a little naivety re. Calzaghe, he could do a 30 minute interview and if 2 minutes of that were about Calzaghe that is the bit the tabloids and general press would pick up on. Think he has wised up a little now and has also come to realise that with the run of fights he is on if he keeps winning he does not need Joe to define him.

What did he say mate? Can't access from work.

jc used to moan he didnt get the recognitoin he deserved untill late. froch is making it happen now and fair play to the guy for it
i didnt used to like him but my opinion has changed hes more than filled the gap that jc has left
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I think Joe had a self confidence problem, he shouldn't have because he was genuinely quality, Clev seems a bit more confident and willing to me at an early age.

rowley wrote:To be fair Bamber whenever Froch is interviewed he tends to come across as pretty articulate and reasonable. His problem early in his career was a little naivety re. Calzaghe, he could do a 30 minute interview and if 2 minutes of that were about Calzaghe that is the bit the tabloids and general press would pick up on. Think he has wised up a little now and has also come to realise that with the run of fights he is on if he keeps winning he does not need Joe to define him.

True enough - the thing that really impressed me is how straight talking he is:

Reporter: "Was this your toughest fight ?" (paraphrased)
Froch: "No - that would be the Kessler fight, I was much more cut and bruised. Tough fight, no doubt, but not my toughest, no." (paraphrased)

Fists of Fury wrote:What did he say mate? Can't access from work.

His summary of the fight, his analysis of the upcoming fight with Ward and the balanced and appropriate respect he showed to Johnson was a pleasure to hear.

He basically says the Ward fight is 50-50 and alludes to Wards greater skills, vs his power, chin and guile and says how it is a fight to be won by either man on the night: all down to preparation, venue and tactics.

Fish eyes kept Calzaghe out of danger. He did the same for Hatton.

Kept them as cash cows, earning money in "easier" fights.

They only started fighting marquee names after they ditched Warren.

Froch being promoted by Hennesy had to fight the best, because hennesy was so hopless, not enough people knew who Froch was.

gab wrote:

WelshDevilRob wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Why do Welsh people have such rubbish names.

Gavin... Steffan...etc

Or Swansea Jack

haha thats funny welshdevilrob im guessing ur a bluebird with the hump never mind son cardiff always choke when push comes to shove. this jack has got a fiver on u guys being relegated and us staying up next season.
pretty good odds and a bet i couldnt refuse hehe
swansea jack in peace ... and the prem lol

No, not a Bluebirds fan. Only time I ever went to Ninian Park was for Wales vs Jamaica. I am glad Swansea went up as Cardiff keep choking, as you rightly said. 8)

ian_jamsie wrote:Fish eyes kept Calzaghe out of danger. He did the same for Hatton.

Kept them as cash cows, earning money in "easier" fights.

They only started fighting marquee names after they ditched Warren.

Froch being promoted by Hennesy had to fight the best, because hennesy was so hopless, not enough people knew who Froch was.

Yes, Hatton fought the marquee names after he ditched Warren. However, the same can't be said of Calzaghe.

Joe fought almost all his big fights under Warren (Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins). He only had one fight after the split and that was a rather pointless affair against Jones Jr, considered a shot fighter by most fans.

I wouldnt really call Calzaghe a cash cow either. Up until the latter stages of career, his popularity was miniscule compared to the likes of Hatton.

Overall, I'm no fan of Frank Warren, but I sympathise with his views regarding Calzaghe.
I think its Calzaghe, not Warren, who deserves most of the blame for the poor title defences and lack of quality names on record.

[quote="J.Benson II"]

ian_jamsie wrote:
Overall, I'm no fan of Frank Warren, but I sympathise with his views regarding Calzaghe.
I think its Calzaghe, not Warren, who deserves most of the blame for the poor title defences and lack of quality names on record.

Quite. If Calzaghe wasn't happy with the fights, he could have always found another promoter!

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J.Benson II wrote:

ian_jamsie wrote:
Overall, I'm no fan of Frank Warren, but I sympathise with his views regarding Calzaghe.
I think its Calzaghe, not Warren, who deserves most of the blame for the poor title defences and lack of quality names on record.

Quite. If Calzaghe wasn't happy with the fights, he could have always found another promoter!

True, you only have to look at what Hatton done and what Khan is doing, Ricky Burns take note.