Ireland's bid for 2023 World Cup - venues announced + Gov. underwriting 320m

by Sin é Mon 08 Aug 2016, 9:54 pm

First topic message reminder :

Venues announced and both Govs underwriting cost.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/government-to-underwrite-320m-in-bid-for-2023-rugby-world-cup-414609.html

Croke Park, The Aviva stadium, RDS in Dublin; (3)
Casement Park and Kingspan Stadium in Belfast (2)
Pairc Uí Chaoimh in Cork;

These include Croke Park, the Aviva Stadium and the RDS in Dublin;
Casement Park and Kingspan Stadium in Belfast;
Pairc Uí Chaoimh in Cork;
Thomond Park, Limerick;
Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney;
Pearse Stadium, Galway;
McHale Park in Castlebar;
Nowlan Park, Kilkenny;
and Celtic Park in Derry.

Great to see how evenly spread around the island (Derry & Kilkenny for example).

The operational costs for redeveloping some of these venues and bringing them up to standards and sizes for the tournament is estimated to cost in the region of €60m.

I think we have a good chance.

by GunsGermsV2 Thu 09 Mar 2017, 3:03 pm

Gwlad wrote:RWC Ireland, not very exotic is it. Bit like going to one of those Samoan pubs in East London where they serve drinks with umbrellas and there is painted beaches and palm trees on the wall.

Dont get the analogy. Are you saying Ireland's beauty is fake?

Take a trip along the west coast of Ireland. The scenery will blow your mind.

by Gooseberry Thu 09 Mar 2017, 3:20 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:RWC Ireland, not very exotic is it. Bit like going to one of those Samoan pubs in East London where they serve drinks with umbrellas and there is painted beaches and palm trees on the wall.

Dont get the analogy. Are you saying Ireland's beauty is fake?

Take a trip along the west coast of Ireland. The scenery will blow your mind.

So Craggy Island is one of the porpossed venues then?

by geoff999rugby Thu 09 Mar 2017, 3:31 pm

France are formally in the running but you would get long odds at the bookies.

Casement is a long way from being certain.

Direct Rule = No money for Casement and there is a time limit on when it must be spent otherwise it will be null and void.

The latest submission is 34k and involves exits out to local streets on the far side - totally inappropriate in my opinion.
Safety still a concern unless we get down to 25k or so.

by **rodders** Thu 09 Mar 2017, 5:22 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:RWC Ireland, not very exotic is it. Bit like going to one of those Samoan pubs in East London where they serve drinks with umbrellas and there is painted beaches and palm trees on the wall.

Dont get the analogy. Are you saying Ireland's beauty is fake?

I thought he was referring to all those palm trees you get down the west coast?

by Rugbyjk Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:32 pm

Ireland's V picturesque, toured there twice. Mainly Limerick, Kilkenny but went to Galway.

by Gwlad Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:35 pm

I'm saying it's harder to justify the required mock surprise of taking an exotic vacation with the missus that coincidentally happens to be in the same location as RWC when it's in fecking Ireland. Is what 'oim saying' to be sure. Carmarthen would be easy.

by Rugbyjk Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:36 pm

So, send her to Fiji.

by Gwlad Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:49 pm

Rugbyjk wrote:So, send her to Fiji.

Genius. But we both know that there'll never be a PI RWC unless its in New Zeland

by Rugbyjk Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:50 pm

Just meant regardless.

by Rugbyjk Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:54 pm

Both happy, happy days!

by SecretFly Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:58 pm

When is the actual vote? We got New Zealand onside I think. I think it's safe to say we lost Wales a month or so ago.

I have the Bribery suitcase here, waiting for me to be told where to fly to next. Wink

by Rugbyjk Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:59 pm

Toured Paris twice. Can do it in a day matey. Fiji, it's the answer mate. Bye for a week or two at least.

by Rugbyjk Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:03 pm

Vote??

by Gwlad Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:06 pm

I know a man in Thailand with a wooden man sausage.

by Rugbyjk Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:06 pm

What vote?

by SecretFly Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:18 pm

World Rugby Council decides? Votes.

by Pot Hale Fri 10 Mar 2017, 10:14 am

SecretFly wrote:World Rugby Council decides? Votes.

November - after the AIs.

There's a big party planned in WR HQ - for the losers.
The winners will be in Cardiff negotiating use of the Millennium for all the pool stage matches.

by Sin é Tue 21 Mar 2017, 12:50 pm

SA Gov. now backing bid for 2023 Rugby World Cup.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby/2017/03/15/Mbalula-makes-turnaround-and-now-backs-SAs-2023-Rugby-World-Cup-bid

by SecretFly Tue 21 Mar 2017, 12:57 pm

Sin é wrote:SA Gov. now backing bid for 2023 Rugby World Cup.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby/2017/03/15/Mbalula-makes-turnaround-and-now-backs-SAs-2023-Rugby-World-Cup-bid

Too late yis Johnny-come-lately basterdes!!! With half-hearted commitment like that who needs glorious sun, sea, sand and se..... Whistle

No, the grey leaden skies of Ireland win.

by Gwlad Tue 21 Mar 2017, 2:19 pm

Well i hope SA gets it, an Irish RWC would be a waste of the competition.

by marty2086 Tue 21 Mar 2017, 2:33 pm

Gwlad wrote:Well i hope SA gets it, an Irish RWC would be a waste of the competition.

SA agreed to hold games in Wales then have they?

by TightHEAD Tue 21 Mar 2017, 2:44 pm

After the weekend I hope France get it.

by Guest Tue 21 Mar 2017, 3:06 pm

France will be our biggest challenger, methinks. SA is a bit of a basket case right now, and not just the rugby. Doubt WR will want to take the risk.
France are not without their own problems, though, and they have hosted it before. I guess it all comes down to how impressed WR are with the Ireland bid.

by marty2086 Tue 21 Mar 2017, 3:09 pm

Munchkin wrote:France will be our biggest challenger, methinks. SA is a bit of a basket case right now, and not just the rugby. Doubt WR will want to take the risk.
France are not without their own problems, though, and they have hosted it before. I guess it all comes down to how impressed WR are with the Ireland bid.

Or if WR want o go on a month long jolly, having it on their doorstep may get in the way of that

by Guest Tue 21 Mar 2017, 3:13 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Munchkin wrote:France will be our biggest challenger, methinks. SA is a bit of a basket case right now, and not just the rugby. Doubt WR will want to take the risk.
France are not without their own problems, though, and they have hosted it before. I guess it all comes down to how impressed WR are with the Ireland bid.

Or if WR want o go on a month long jolly, having it on their doorstep may get in the way of that

There is always that, marty, although their heads will roll if it all goes wrong in SA.

by Gwlad Tue 21 Mar 2017, 3:22 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Well i hope SA gets it, an Irish RWC would be a waste of the competition.

SA agreed to hold games in Wales then have they?

No,

England the country that is expert at hosting and performing at the same RWC

by Gwlad Tue 21 Mar 2017, 3:22 pm

TightHEAD wrote:After the weekend I hope France get it.

if you're capable, explain why?

by TightHEAD Tue 21 Mar 2017, 4:10 pm

Because old boy Ireland don't have the money to fund a RWC, therefore the fans will have to dig deep to buy tickets or the poor Country after that RWC will have to foot the bill like England did to cover the books for the poorly attended 2011 RWC.

France all the way for me.

by marty2086 Tue 21 Mar 2017, 4:16 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Because old boy Ireland don't have the money to fund a RWC, therefore the fans will have to dig deep to buy tickets or the poor Country after that RWC will have to foot the bill like England did to cover the books for the poorly attended 2011 RWC.

France all the way for me.

Since when did Ireland not have the money?

And why did England have 'cover the books'(whatever that means) for the 2011 RWC?

by Guest Tue 21 Mar 2017, 4:39 pm

marty2086 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Because old boy Ireland don't have the money to fund a RWC, therefore the fans will have to dig deep to buy tickets or the poor Country after that RWC will have to foot the bill like England did to cover the books for the poorly attended 2011 RWC.

France all the way for me.

Since when did Ireland not have the money?

And why did England have 'cover the books'(whatever that means) for the 2011 RWC?

He's fishing Smile

by Gwlad Tue 21 Mar 2017, 4:56 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Because old boy Ireland don't have the money to fund a RWC, therefore the fans will have to dig deep to buy tickets or the poor Country after that RWC will have to foot the bill like England did to cover the books for the poorly attended 2011 RWC.

France all the way for me.

But why 'after this weekend'?

by Pot Hale Tue 21 Mar 2017, 8:00 pm

Gwlad wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Because old boy Ireland don't have the money to fund a RWC, therefore the fans will have to dig deep to buy tickets or the poor Country after that RWC will have to foot the bill like England did to cover the books for the poorly attended 2011 RWC.

France all the way for me.

But why 'after this weekend'?

Please choose from the following:

a) Because Scotland beat Italy and he's very sore about it.
b) Because Ireland won the Millennium Cup.
c) Because France won.
d) He missed Sunday service.
e) He didn't get his two boiled eggs for breakfast on Saturday morning. With soldiers.

by Sin é Tue 21 Mar 2017, 8:45 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Because old boy Ireland don't have the money to fund a RWC, therefore the fans will have to dig deep to buy tickets or the poor Country after that RWC will have to foot the bill like England did to cover the books for the poorly attended 2011 RWC.

France all the way for me.

So remind me again, what country had the top attendance against a minnow at the last world cup?

Also, which country did the RFU screw on the price of tickets?

by Geen sport voor watjes Tue 21 Mar 2017, 10:48 pm

Gwlad wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Because old boy Ireland don't have the money to fund a RWC, therefore the fans will have to dig deep to buy tickets or the poor Country after that RWC will have to foot the bill like England did to cover the books for the poorly attended 2011 RWC.

France all the way for me.

But why 'after this weekend'?

Because his Mother banned him from using the internet and he is sore about it. It's the only explanation for this temper tantrum and not being online Saturday and Sunday

by Cyril Tue 21 Mar 2017, 10:52 pm

I would imagine World Rugby will be checking that no one from the Irish Olympic Committee will be working for the IRFU on ticketing Whistle

by SecretFly Tue 21 Mar 2017, 11:12 pm

Cyril wrote:I would imagine World Rugby will be checking that no one from the Irish Olympic Committee will be working for the IRFU on ticketing

Yeah. I think World Rugby will be intent on keeping touted tickets out of the hands of English hospitality company THG Sports.

by Cyril Tue 21 Mar 2017, 11:17 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Cyril wrote:I would imagine World Rugby will be checking that no one from the Irish Olympic Committee will be working for the IRFU on ticketing

Yeah. I think World Rugby will be intent on keeping touted tickets out of the hands of English hospitality company THG Sports.

That's why you should only use official agencies (or one of your mates on the council).

by SecretFly Tue 21 Mar 2017, 11:31 pm

Look I got my tickets already - so I don't care about any of the rest of you. They're only 15,000 bucks apiece and I have all the pool games and the Final between Italy and Ireland.

The rest of you can scrounge around for whatever scraps you can find - I got my corporate cucumber sandwich box booked, so I'm set

by Pot Hale Wed 22 Mar 2017, 11:26 am

SecretFly wrote:Look I got my tickets already - so I don't care about any of the rest of you. They're only 15,000 bucks apiece and I have all the pool games and the Final between Italy and Ireland.

The rest of you can scrounge around for whatever scraps you can find - I got my corporate cucumber sandwich box booked, so I'm set

Cucumber? It's far from that you were reared, Fly. Squashed brown banana and jam sandwiches for you, lad - make do like the rest of us.

by marty2086 Tue 09 May 2017, 2:21 pm

South Africa have reentered the race with France and Ireland to host the 2023 Rugby World Cup after a move by the South African government paved the way for their bid.

The South African government said it had lifted a ban on the country's rugby union hosting international events after it made progress improving racial diversity in the sport.

The Springboks are bidding to host the global showpiece along with Ireland and France, with a decision due in November.

The South Africa government imposed the ban last year having pushed for the country's main sports to create more opportunities for black players and administrators more than two-decades after the end of white-minority rule under the Apartheid system.

The ban also applied to athletics, cricket and netball.

"I would like to congratulate rugby, cricket and netball on their improved scores, you were clearly willing to walk the extra mile," Sports Minister Thulas Nxesi said in a statement issued by South African Rugby.

"Their right to bid for and host major sporting events, which was revoked before, is hereby immediately reinstated."

Cricket and netball have also had their sanctions lifted, while the ban remained in place for the athletics federation.

Nxesi, who is new in the post, said he expected sporting federations to provide leadership on racial diversity at school and club levels.

The government report also examines participation demographics, governance, and employment equity from school to elite level.

"This is great news and a tribute to the work that the sport has been doing in recent years to stay in tune and relevant to modern South Africa," SA Rugby president Mark Alexander said.

"We can now put the finishing touches to what we believe will be an outstanding bid to host the 2023 Rugby World Cup."

by GunsGermsV2 Tue 09 May 2017, 2:28 pm

I reckon they havent done themselves any favours with this though.

by marty2086 Tue 09 May 2017, 3:57 pm

Well it depends how you look at it, I bet the ANC have helped themselves at the ballot box but in terms of winning the bid definitely not. Would seem like a waste of money now to bid

by Gwlad Tue 09 May 2017, 4:06 pm

I just cannot see the appeal of an Irish RWC.

by marty2086 Tue 09 May 2017, 4:07 pm

Really? Because pretty much anyone who has been to a major sporting event in Ireland can

by GunsGermsV2 Tue 09 May 2017, 4:10 pm

Gwlad wrote:I just cannot see the appeal of an Irish RWC.

Have you been to Ireland many times?

France and SA have hosted world cup finals before. Ireland hasn't. That in itself makes Ireland more deserving than the others.

by Gwlad Tue 09 May 2017, 4:22 pm

I think that is the point, beyond Dublin I have never been to Ireland and no real desire to. I'm sure it will be a good craic just feels like too small a place for a RWC and would like to see it in the USA.

by GunsGermsV2 Tue 09 May 2017, 4:31 pm

Gwlad wrote:I think that is the point, beyond Dublin I have never been to Ireland and no real desire to. I'm sure it will be a good craic just feels like too small a place for a RWC and would like to see it in the USA.

Well if you havent been to Ireland out side of Dublin then that may be the reason you cant see any reason for the RWC to be held there, because you dont know a lot about the country.

Being a small place can only enhance the experience for travelling fans because the RWC atmosphere will be condensed to a smaller geographic area. You could go to somewhere like the US and get no sense that a RWC is happening for example. Why would Ireland be too small? The bid has to set out that the infrastructure, accommodation and stadia can accomodate a RWC and Ireland's bid does that. Ireland's infrastructure is also better than NZs and we have bigger stadia and more accommodation and yet the RWC in NZ was excellent.

Ireland is also far larger in size to Wales which has also successfully hosted a RWC.

by geoff999rugby Tue 09 May 2017, 5:05 pm

Gwlad wrote:I think that is the point, beyond Dublin I have never been to Ireland and no real desire to. I'm sure it will be a good craic just feels like too small a place for a RWC and would like to see it in the USA.

So you don't know the place but feel qualified to pass comment - got it

Ireland has a bigger population than Wales, New Zealand or Scotland.
It isn't mired in political corruption like South Africa.
It has a longer Rugby tradition than USA or Japan.
It would fill the grounds comfortably.

Outside the big boys of France and England it is as likely to be successful as anywhere

by Gwlad Tue 09 May 2017, 5:10 pm

Yeah, but its Ireland. And I am quite sure you have never passed comment on a place you haven't been to. Rolling Eyes

by geoff999rugby Tue 09 May 2017, 5:10 pm

marty2086 wrote:Well it depends how you look at it, I bet the ANC have helped themselves at the ballot box but in terms of winning the bid definitely not. Would seem like a waste of money now to bid

The ANC are beyond helping at the ballot box.
At very least they need Zuma to resign, he wont, otherwise the majority will go at the next election.

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