6N 2017: Scotland vs Wales, 25th Feb

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Scotland vs Wales


Date: Saturday 25th February 2017
Venue: BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
Kick Off: 2:25pm
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
TV Coverage: Live on BBC

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Teams

Scotland

1. Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors)
2. Faiser Brown (Glasgow Warriors)
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors)
4. Richie Gray (Toulouse)
5. Johnny Gray (Glasgow Warriors)
6. John Barclay (C) (Scarlets)
7. John Hardie (Edinburgh)
8. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors)

9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors)
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors)
11. Tim Visser (Harlequins)
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors)
13. Huw Jones (Stormers)
14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)

Replacements

16 Ross Ford (Edinburgh)
17 Allan Dell (Edinburgh)
18 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh)
19 Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors)
20 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh)
21 Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors)
22 Duncan Weir (Edinburgh)
23 Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors)


Wales

1 Rob Evans (Scarlets)
2 Ken Owens (Scarlets)
3 Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs)
4 Jake Ball (Scarlets)
5 Alun Wyn Jones (C) (Ospreys)
6 Sam Warburton (Cardiff Blues)
7 Justin Tipuric (Ospreys)
8 Ross Moriarty (Gloucester)

9 Rhys Webb (Ospreys)
10 Dan Biggar (Ospreys)
11 Liam Williams (Scarlets)
12 Scott Williams (Scarlets)
13 Jonathan Davies (Scarlets)
14 George North (Northampton)
15 Leigh Halfpenny (Toulon)

Replacements

16 Scott Baldwin (Ospreys)
17 Nicky Smith (Ospreys)
18 Samson Lee (Scarlets)
19 Luke Charteris (Bath)
20 Taulupe Faletau (Dragons)
21 Gareth Davies (Scarlets)
22 Sam Davies (Ospreys)
23 Jamie Roberts (Harlequins)

Motm is Watson or Barclay

GeordieFalcon wrote:That Hamish Watson looks some player. Don't know much about him. Has he just come on the scene? Is he young?

Lol, you going to point him out to Dean Richards?

GeordieFalcon wrote:That Hamish Watson looks some player. Don't know much about him. Has he just come on the scene? Is he young?

He's been tearing up trees in the Pro 12 for a number of years now. Very tough in contact.

GeordieFalcon wrote:That Hamish Watson looks some player. Don't know much about him. Has he just come on the scene? Is he young?

In his mid 20s - been around a few years and we were worried he wasn't big enough for international rugby. We were wrong!

nathan wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Never mind Cuthbert - North's defence has been beyond crap in this game. What a fall from grace.

Not a happy place at the Gardens at the moment

I'd guess the away changing rooms are not going to be that happy a place either

I blame the bus driver for this

Well done Scotland. A well deserved win.

Wales, I haven't seen us play so bad for ages. Dreadful. How many knock ons? Absolutely dire. I'm ashamed that we didn't given them more of a game. So disappointed.

A real b*mming.

RIP Welsh Rugby-Laid to rest at Murrayfield 25 February 2017.Brought down by brainless and inept play,absence of skill,mistakes and the coaching of the numpties employed by the WRU.The SRU would like to thank the contribution of Biggar,Halfpenny and North to the Scottish win today.The WRU announce Howley to be Welsh Coach until 2030.

Well played, Scotland, and what a great win!

Russell? Really???

Oh well

Great to see Murrayfield bouncing too, been a few years

Who was that yawning next to Gatand?

tigertattie wrote:Russell? Really???

Oh well

Yeah Watson for me.

Hogg has shown some sublime touches too

Great win for Scotland! Hope you do the business against England.

Congratulations Scotland, well done. Worried about when we play you now.

How is Howley on the Lions coaching team.

It has been a long time coming - yeeeeees!!!

Welsh contribution for the lions should only be midweek squad players, well played Scotland see you at twickers

nathan wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:That Hamish Watson looks some player. Don't know much about him. Has he just come on the scene? Is he young?

Lol, you going to point him out to Dean Richards?

I just might ha ha

Cant believe I don't know much about him. Looks a very good player.

Great result Scotland.

I should be really angry at Wales, but I'm actually more happy for Scotland. That's the first time since the turn of the century we might actually see Scotland getting back to where they were in the early 90's. Certainly this is their best team since 1999.
They have finally turned the corner. Sadly I think Wales have replaced them as the cack British side now.

Wales scored 0 points in that half!

Enjoy the win and the night ahead lads

Buzzing. Great to get that win. The sheep around Edinburgh breathe a sigh of relief that there'll be no celebratory sheep bothering for the first time in 10 years.

Yup, that ended up as a bit of a thrashing tbh, though few Welshmen did themselves justice from 35' on.

With the size of the Welsh player pool they shouldn't be losing to wee scotland

20-0 in a half is dreadful.

Scotland were class second half. But we were so so poor. Happy for this guy Barclay though

Shifty wrote:I should be really angry at Wales, but I'm actually more happy for Scotland.  That's the first time since the turn of the century we might actually see Scotland getting back to where they were in the early 90's.  Certainly this is their best team since 1999.  
They have finally turned the corner.  Sadly I think Wales have replaced them as the cack British side now.

I felt the same way after the Irish loss - it's fantastic to see Scotland not just winning, but winning with style.

What a cracking game.

Looks like it could be Wales v Italy for the ( WOODEN SPOON ) this year.

AWJ again turning down a chance of points. Going instead for a line out and Loosing it again.
Not the sort of person you wan't for a Lions captain. now is it.

With the size of the Welsh player pool they shouldn't be losing to wee scotland

GeordieFalcon wrote:That Hamish Watson looks some player. Don't know much about him. Has he just come on the scene? Is he young?

Personally been keeping an eye on him for a while since he was a Tigers academy lad. As said 25 so still has a bit before reaching his prime aswell.

majesticimperialman wrote:What a cracking game.  

Looks like it could be Wales v Italy for the ( WOODEN SPOON ) this year.

AWJ again turning down a chance of points. Going instead for a line out and Loosing it again.
Not the sort of person you wan't for a Lions captain. now is it.

Someone better tell Gatland

Great fight-back from Scotland. Stopped allowing themselves to be bullied around the park and started doing some of their own. As soon as Wales realised they were losing the physical dominance game they only had some hopeful spark or break to rely on or trust in.

majesticimperialman wrote:What a cracking game.  

Looks like it could be Wales v Italy for the ( WOODEN SPOON ) this year.

AWJ again turning down a chance of points. Going instead for a line out and Loosing it again.
Not the sort of person you wan't for a Lions captain. now is it.

It isn't Wales v Italy for the wooden spoon (no need for the brackets). We've beaten them and where do you suggest they will win to draw level on wins with us? Even the points difference? Think before you post please.

Why do they bring up the Rhys Webb 'try'? Quite clearly in touch, move on.

glamorganalun wrote:How is Howley on the Lions coaching team.

How is Howley in ANY position of coaching responsibility? We were lucky several first choice Scottish players weren't available.Play like that against Ireland's 3/4s and we'll be looking at a right tuning.

Come on boys. Let's hear it for super Tim

Stopped one try
Step one try up
Scored another

We've given him pellters all week but he made a massive difference

TightHEAD wrote:With the size of the Welsh player pool they shouldn't be losing to wee scotland

That simply isn't the case, if you look at the junior player base in Scotland it's actually much bigger than Wales. Truth be told the junior game in Wales is almost totally dead. Years and years of under investment by Roger Lewis will take it's toll over the next few years. Most grass roots Welsh clubs are on their knees. With little or no youth interest in the game. I think we are now of the verge of serious decline in Welsh rugby, in the way Italy have fallen backwards.

Interesting analysis. Davies does rush out of the line a lot mind.

jimbopip wrote:

IanBru wrote:The thing with Timmy is he needs to score more tries than he lets in - against France last year he did, and against Australia tlhis year he didn't. It's painfully simple.

My hope, as ever, is that he'll bring his club form to the international table.

I hate to contradict my esteemed friend but.... Turnstile Tim's display against the Wallabies was one of the most inept and embarrassing I have witnessed on a rugby field. And I include young Pipetto's frequent impersonations of a traffic policeman at rush hour on the Via Gran. It's not that he can't tackle it's that he actively gets out of the way of opposing players, or "Those nasty, brutish big boys" as he calls them.

I like to think that I'm slightly less choleric than GC's Mildly Racist Uncle Dougie, but McMisser's performance that day verged on cowardice in the face of the enemy. I say "verged on" because he only sporadically got close enough to the action to qualify as a coward: the rest of the time he was well and truly MIA.

He really needs to show some backbone on Saturday; fecc it, if he gets a red for chinning Dan Biggar (as in my petted lip is biggar than yours) I'll forgive him.

Well, shut my mouth wide open.Tim Visser makes try, and possibly game, saving tackle. He wasn't MIA and he really showed up today.
Must go now, have words to eat, with humble pie for after s.

Stonking win Scotland - congrats.

Hope Scottish fans celebrate long into the night. Brilliant 6N for them so far and sets up the England game perfectly.

huge win Scotland. well played. the balance has changed in the NH.

Amazing, Hamish Watson was brilliant....and special mention for Tim Visser, a try saving tackle and a very good performance all round.

If Howley gets sacked from the Welsh job how can he go on s lions tour? - I'm convinced Gatland only gives his blessing to the WRU for Howley to do his job to make himself look better, like a bride does with her bridesmaids!

Don't get on here much any more but had to pop back to say a big well done to Scotland, making Barclay Capt was a good move by Cotter and recognition for how big an influence he can have. Great choice of MOM as Russel outclassed Biggar right from the point that he psyched him out at the start of the game and Dan lost his cool. Could say something good about every player in a blue shirt tbh but will just say it's good to see Scotland back.

Not many players putting their hands up for the Lions tour.

Based on to days performance i mean.

Some very gracious Welsh fans on here - top lads

Couple of my compatriots in danger of WUMmimg here: stop it fellers, and simply acknowledge a great day for, and performance from, Scotland. Barring the sensational, Italy are a shoo-in for the Wooden Spoon, but the order of those finishing just above them is anyone's guess.

TightHEAD wrote:If Howley gets sacked from the Welsh job how can he go on s lions tour? - I'm convinced Gatland only gives his blessing to the WRU for Howley to do his job to make himself look better, like a bride does with her bridesmaids!

We can't blame Howley for this, lets face it the Welsh players are just really cack. That players that have come in over the last few seasons have been totally inferior to the ones that got old and retired.
Shane Williams, Hibbard, Adam Jones, Ian Evans, Gethin Jenkins, etc haven't been replaced like for like.

Wales just don't have the youth interest in the game, so hence we don't have talented players coming through. Expect to see Wales slide badly over the next few years.

Shifty wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:With the size of the Welsh player pool they shouldn't be losing to wee scotland

That simply isn't the case, if you look at the junior player base in Scotland it's actually much bigger than Wales.  Truth be told the junior game in Wales is almost totally dead.  Years and years of under investment by Roger Lewis will take it's toll over the next few years.  Most grass roots Welsh clubs are on their knees.  With little or no youth interest in the game.  I think we are now of the verge of serious decline in Welsh rugby, in the way Italy have fallen backwards.  

I read something warning this in one of the papers a while back. They said they feared a permanent decline due to a massive failure to develop youth.

to be fair they've kept competing at U20 (though not been good enough at WC level).

Shifty wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:If Howley gets sacked from the Welsh job how can he go on s lions tour? - I'm convinced Gatland only gives his blessing to the WRU for Howley to do his job to make himself look better, like a bride does with her bridesmaids!

We can't blame Howley for this, lets face it the Welsh players are just really cack.  That players that have come in over the last few seasons have been totally inferior to the ones that got old and retired.  
Shane Williams, Hibbard, Adam Jones, Ian Evans, Gethin Jenkins, etc haven't been replaced like for like.  

Wales just don't have the youth interest in the game, so hence we don't have talented players coming through.  Expect to see Wales slide badly over the next few years.  

As a youth coach at U7 and U8 I can assure you the interest is there with the kids. I think the WRu are starting to get the coaching support in place as well now.
As for the players named above I would argue young players now playing in their positions are every bit as good as they where at the same age. I.e. Shane or North, Adam or Samson, Ianto or Ball, Gethin or Rob Evs, each of the current incumbents are still young players and we are building for a WC in a little over 2 years. Time will tell.