6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

by **George Carlin** Mon 13 Mar 2017, 6:15 pm

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IRELAND v ENGLAND
18 March 2017
KO: 17:00 GMT
Aviva Stadium, Dublin

Referee: Jerome Garces (France)
Touch judges: Mathieu Raynal (France) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

Live on [BBC, RTE, DMAX, FR2, ITV (H)]

A. Head to Head

131 Played 131
47 Won 76
8 Drawn 8
76 Lost 47
1,079 Points 1,526

B. Recent Form

27 February 2016
Twickenham, London
21 – 10 to England

5 September 2015
Twickenham, London
21 – 13 to England

1 March 2015
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
19 – 9 to Ireland

22 February 2014
Twickenham, London
13 – 10 to England

10 February 2013
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
6 – 12 to England

17 March 2012
Twickenham, London
30 – 9 to England

C. Teams

IRELAND
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Payne; Earls, Ringrose, Henshaw, Zebo; Sexton, Marmion; McGrath, Best (captain), Furlong; Ryan, Henderson; Stander, O'Brien, Heaslip,

Replacements: Scannell, Healy, Ryan, Toner, O'Mahony, McGrath, Jackson, Conway.

ENGLAND
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6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March - Page 12 Bulldo10

Brown; Watson, Joseph, Farrell, Daly; Ford, Youngs; Marler, Hartley (captain), Cole; Launchbury, Lawes; Itoje, Haskell, B Vunipola.

Replacements: George, M Vunipola, Sinckler, Wood, Hughes, Care, Te'o, Nowell.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:49 pm

Utter domination. Ireland is the grave of English hopes. I knew they would win this. Better in every way today. Again. England have a long way to go to be a top side.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:49 pm

Hood83 wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:That is what happens when Schmidtball works - huge possession stats. But that's also why it is so inconsistent. It needs to be almost errorless and is hugely taxing. I don't think we reap the rewards for it. Only 7 points ahead with 75% possession.

What a surprise, you get it clicking against us

All it takes is one line break from England. Being clinical is more important than winning the possession stats.

Cyril will love that - high pitched Seanie.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:50 pm

So much more balance from Ireland with DOC at 4, Hendo at 5, POM at 6 and CJ at 8.

If VdF was fit and at 7, it would be some damaging back 5.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:50 pm

England fans - wise up. You are far from losing this game. For all the possession, we are one converted try ahead.

by aucklandlaurie Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:51 pm

Well Ireland definitely won that half.

by Pete330v2 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:51 pm

That's it. SOB is now a liability. Hands like wet fish

by Guest Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:51 pm

nathan wrote:Lol, SOB's voice

Sounds like a mouse. Hilarious for such a big man.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:51 pm

Totally in control Rory, 75% possession. In a different league.

by Hood83 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:52 pm

A very deserved lead for Ireland, felt like we barely had the ball. Quite impressed we're only 7 down.

by Guest Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:52 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Utter domination. Ireland is the grave of English hopes. I knew they would win this. Better in every way today. Again. England have a long way to go to be a top side.

Dude

Stop it!!!

Two can play at this game, England will win this, they'll come back with a last minute burst

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:52 pm

Poor half from England but we can only improve(you'd hope) and we're only a score down. It really can go either way, Ireland have been impressive so far.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:53 pm

eirebilly wrote:So much more balance from Ireland with DOC at 4, Hendo at 5, POM at 6 and CJ at 8.

If VdF was fit and at 7, it would be some damaging back 5.

Most balanced pack:

McGrath - Best - Furlong
Ryan - Henderson
O'Mahony - Stander - van der Flier

O'Mahony has been excellent. The thing is, the referee has a close eye on him in this game because he infringed earlier in the game and he has a reputation for slowing ball. Still, great to see some real doggedness back in the pack.

by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:53 pm

Still can't work out how a player can be supporting their own weight when their feet are further back than their hips though ...

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:53 pm

There's always one poster Rolling Eyes

by Guest Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:54 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Totally in control Rory, 75% possession. In a different league.

Game of two halves. I fully expect England to shift it up a gear in the 2nd half, and particularly the final quarter.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:55 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Totally in control Rory, 75% possession. In a different league.

That is how Ireland always play. We usually dominate the possession stats. It doesn't matter unless you convert your opportunities, which we don't. We have had countless times where we are in this sort of scenario only to go on and win the game.

by majesticimperialman Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:55 pm

Not exactly the most thrilling game in the first Half.

Ireland playing the better rugby in the first half Lets hope the second half see England have more of the ball than Ireland.

England have finished stronger in the second half. When they bring on the finishers.

So 40 minutes to go.

Come on England.

by SimonofSurrey Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:55 pm

Given the possession and territory stats, I'd settle for 7 down at h/t. It reminds me of the RWC 1/4 in 2003. England are not out of it yet but can win only if we find our A game for the whole 2nd half.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:55 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
eirebilly wrote:So much more balance from Ireland with DOC at 4, Hendo at 5, POM at 6 and CJ at 8.

If VdF was fit and at 7, it would be some damaging back 5.

Most balanced pack:

McGrath - Best - Furlong
Ryan - Henderson
O'Mahony - Stander - van der Flier

O'Mahony has been excellent. The thing is, the referee has a close eye on him in this game because he infringed earlier in the game and he has a reputation for slowing ball. Still, great to see some real doggedness back in the pack.

Cant disagree there. I wish Schmidt would be more open to selections like these. Far too often it is injuries that have forced his hand and ended up with Irelands best performances.

by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:57 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:There's always one poster

???

by aucklandlaurie Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:57 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Not exactly the most thrilling game in the first Half.

Ireland playing the better rugby in the first half Lets hope the second half see England have more of the ball than Ireland.

England have finished stronger in the second half. When they bring on the finishers.

So 40 minutes to go.

Come on England.

the team with the better bench will win this game.

by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:58 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Utter domination. Ireland is the grave of English hopes. I knew they would win this. Better in every way today. Again. England have a long way to go to be a top side.

What's your definition of a top side?

by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:59 pm

He's not being serious heaf he just talks down the team he supports.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:59 pm

Heaf wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Utter domination. Ireland is the grave of English hopes. I knew they would win this. Better in every way today. Again. England have a long way to go to be a top side.

What's your definition of a top side?

Surely ye have been on here long enough to know Trebbs?

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 5:59 pm

Heaf wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:There's always one poster
???

Not you!

by Hood83 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:00 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Not exactly the most thrilling game in the first Half.

Ireland playing the better rugby in the first half Lets hope the second half see England have more of the ball than Ireland.

England have finished stronger in the second half. When they bring on the finishers.

So 40 minutes to go.

Come on England.

the team with the better bench will win this game.

I think that would be us, but if Ireland score a try next and we're bringing them on in the 65th minute it might be too late.

by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:00 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Heaf wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:There's always one poster
???

Not you!

phew

by aucklandlaurie Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:03 pm

Hood83 wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Not exactly the most thrilling game in the first Half.

Ireland playing the better rugby in the first half Lets hope the second half see England have more of the ball than Ireland.

England have finished stronger in the second half. When they bring on the finishers.

So 40 minutes to go.

Come on England.

the team with the better bench will win this game.

I think that would be us, but if Ireland score a try next and we're bringing them on in the 65th minute it might be too late.

English fresh players have to come on and change the way Ireland are playing ie get them to kick for touch for a change, win some lineouts then starve the IRish for possession and territory.

by alfie Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:03 pm

I'm just thankful to be only seven points down after that half.

England surely can't play that poorly again ? Much credit to Ireland for their domination but they're far from out of sight...

Eddie will be having a quiet chat with his boys right now Smile

by eirebilly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:04 pm

alfie wrote:I'm just thankful to be only seven points down after that half.

England surely can't play that poorly again ? Much credit to Ireland for their domination but they're far from out of sight...

Eddie will be having a quiet chat with his boys right now

Not sure England were that poor, just think Ireland were slightly better.

by SimonofSurrey Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:06 pm

Just in case, do weget a losing BP for defeat by 7?

by Hood83 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:07 pm

eirebilly wrote:
alfie wrote:I'm just thankful to be only seven points down after that half.

England surely can't play that poorly again ? Much credit to Ireland for their domination but they're far from out of sight...

Eddie will be having a quiet chat with his boys right now

Not sure England were that poor, just think Ireland were slightly better.

Yeah I'd agree, I think people are going overboard. We weren't great with the ball, some poor kicking, but actually a few breaks as well and just didn't nail anything. More importantly, we were just defending all the time as Ireland's retention was really good. If they keep the ball as well second half we'll see a similar thing I suspect. It's very tough to play against when it's working.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:08 pm

Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here? Looks impossible.

by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:09 pm

Only 1 really decent attack in that half that ended in a turnover in the Irish 22 - even if it was highly suspect ...

by Hood83 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:10 pm

Take it back, godawful handling.

by aucklandlaurie Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:10 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here? Looks impossible.

tackle them to the point where they dont like having it.

by Hood83 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:10 pm

I don't think this is going to be our day (mainly said to annoy ebop)

by alfie Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:12 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here? Looks impossible.

Aye - and when we do get the ball someone always drops it Smile

Way to go yet though trebs

by Guest Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:12 pm

alfie wrote:England surely can't play that poorly again ?

They've played about as well as they did against Wales and France imo

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:13 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here? Looks impossible.

(high) tackle them to the point where they dont like having it.

by Guest Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:13 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here? Looks impossible.

Jinx them in a rugby forum

by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:14 pm

Lots of cheating well spotted by Jonny ...

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:14 pm

High tackle from Itoje.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:15 pm

The wrap around does not work Jonny. Try something new...

by Hood83 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:15 pm

ebop wrote:
alfie wrote:England surely can't play that poorly again ?
They've played about as well as they did against Wales and France imo

That's a fair point, it's not like we've set the world alight in every half we've played. There is precedent here. A lot of the "good teams know how to lose when playing well" might become "Maybe they're not quite as good as they think" this time.

by Hood83 Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:16 pm

Wasn't Cole on his feet clearly there?

by nathan Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:16 pm

Hood83 wrote:Wasn't Cole on his feet clearly there?

It was a ruck.

by SimonofSurrey Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:18 pm

It's only cheating if the ref pings you for it. That the Irish S/h got away with feeding his flanker (sic) at the scrum in the first half is down to the ref to spot. And as we know, French referees are referees , not coaches. England need to wise up as well as step up.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:19 pm

Get Sexton off and bring Paddy on FFS Schmidt.

by Guest Sat 18 Mar 2017, 6:19 pm

Here we go

The maulathon

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