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Post by George Carlin Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:15 pm

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IRELAND v ENGLAND
18 March 2017
KO: 17:00 GMT
Aviva Stadium, Dublin

Referee: Jerome Garces (France)
Touch judges: Mathieu Raynal (France) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

Live on [BBC, RTE, DMAX, FR2, ITV (H)]

A. Head to Head

131 Played 131
47 Won 76
8 Drawn 8
76 Lost 47
1,079 Points 1,526

B. Recent Form

27 February 2016
Twickenham, London
21 – 10 to England

5 September 2015
Twickenham, London
21 – 13 to England

1 March 2015
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
19 – 9 to Ireland

22 February 2014
Twickenham, London
13 – 10 to England

10 February 2013
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
6 – 12 to England

17 March 2012
Twickenham, London
30 – 9 to England

C. Teams

IRELAND
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Payne; Earls, Ringrose, Henshaw, Zebo; Sexton, Marmion; McGrath, Best (captain), Furlong; Ryan, Henderson; Stander, O'Brien, Heaslip,

Replacements: Scannell, Healy, Ryan, Toner, O'Mahony, McGrath, Jackson, Conway.

ENGLAND
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Brown; Watson, Joseph, Farrell, Daly; Ford, Youngs; Marler, Hartley (captain), Cole; Launchbury, Lawes; Itoje, Haskell, B Vunipola.

Replacements: George, M Vunipola, Sinckler, Wood, Hughes, Care, Te'o, Nowell.


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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:49 pm

Utter domination. Ireland is the grave of English hopes. I knew they would win this. Better in every way today. Again. England have a long way to go to be a top side.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:49 pm

Hood83 wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:That is what happens when Schmidtball works - huge possession stats. But that's also why it is so inconsistent. It needs to be almost errorless and is hugely taxing. I don't think we reap the rewards for it. Only 7 points ahead with 75% possession.

What a surprise, you get it clicking against us Wink

All it takes is one line break from England. Being clinical is more important than winning the possession stats.

Cyril will love that - high pitched Seanie.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:50 pm

So much more balance from Ireland with DOC at 4, Hendo at 5, POM at 6 and CJ at 8.

If VdF was fit and at 7, it would be some damaging back 5.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:50 pm

England fans - wise up. You are far from losing this game. For all the possession, we are one converted try ahead.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:51 pm

Well Ireland definitely won that half.

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Post by Pete330v2 Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:51 pm

That's it. SOB is now a liability. Hands like wet fish

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:51 pm

nathan wrote:Lol, SOB's voice

Sounds like a mouse. Hilarious for such a big man.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:51 pm

Totally in control Rory, 75% possession. In a different league.

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Post by Hood83 Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:52 pm

A very deserved lead for Ireland, felt like we barely had the ball. Quite impressed we're only 7 down.

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:52 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Utter domination.  Ireland is the grave of English hopes.  I knew they would win this. Better in every way today.  Again.  England have a long way to go to be a top side.
Dude

Stop it!!!

Two can play at this game, England will win this, they'll come back with a last minute burst

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:52 pm

Poor half from England but we can only improve(you'd hope) and we're only a score down. It really can go either way, Ireland have been impressive so far.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:53 pm

eirebilly wrote:So much more balance from Ireland with DOC at 4, Hendo at 5, POM at 6 and CJ at 8.

If VdF was fit and at 7, it would be some damaging back 5.

Most balanced pack:

McGrath - Best - Furlong
Ryan - Henderson
O'Mahony - Stander - van der Flier

O'Mahony has been excellent. The thing is, the referee has a close eye on him in this game because he infringed earlier in the game and he has a reputation for slowing ball. Still, great to see some real doggedness back in the pack.

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:53 pm

Still can't work out how a player can be supporting their own weight when their feet are further back than their hips though ...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:53 pm

There's always one poster Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:54 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Totally in control Rory,   75% possession.  In a different league.  

Game of two halves. I fully expect England to shift it up a gear in the 2nd half, and particularly the final quarter.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:55 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Totally in control Rory,   75% possession.  In a different league.  

That is how Ireland always play. We usually dominate the possession stats. It doesn't matter unless you convert your opportunities, which we don't. We have had countless times where we are in this sort of scenario only to go on and win the game.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:55 pm

Not exactly the most thrilling game in the first Half. 

Ireland playing the better rugby in the first half Lets hope the second half see England have more of the ball than Ireland.

England have finished stronger in the second half. When they bring on the finishers.

So 40 minutes to go.

Come on England.

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Post by SimonofSurrey Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:55 pm

Given the possession and territory stats, I'd settle for 7 down at h/t. It reminds me of the RWC 1/4 in 2003. England are not out of it yet but can win only if we find our A game for the whole 2nd half.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:55 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
eirebilly wrote:So much more balance from Ireland with DOC at 4, Hendo at 5, POM at 6 and CJ at 8.

If VdF was fit and at 7, it would be some damaging back 5.

Most balanced pack:

McGrath - Best - Furlong
Ryan - Henderson
O'Mahony - Stander - van der Flier

O'Mahony has been excellent. The thing is, the referee has a close eye on him in this game because he infringed earlier in the game and he has a reputation for slowing ball. Still, great to see some real doggedness back in the pack.

Cant disagree there. I wish Schmidt would be more open to selections like these. Far too often it is injuries that have forced his hand and ended up with Irelands best performances.
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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:57 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:There's always one poster Rolling Eyes
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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:57 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Not exactly the most thrilling game in the first Half. 

Ireland playing the better rugby in the first half Lets hope the second half see England have more of the ball than Ireland.

England have finished stronger in the second half. When they bring on the finishers.

So 40 minutes to go.

Come on England.

 the team with the better bench will win this game.

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:58 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Utter domination.  Ireland is the grave of English hopes.  I knew they would win this. Better in every way today.  Again.  England have a long way to go to be a top side.

What's your definition of a top side?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:59 pm

He's not being serious heaf he just talks down the team he supports.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:59 pm

Heaf wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Utter domination.  Ireland is the grave of English hopes.  I knew they would win this. Better in every way today.  Again.  England have a long way to go to be a top side.

What's your definition of a top side?

Surely ye have been on here long enough to know Trebbs?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:59 pm

Heaf wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:There's always one poster Rolling Eyes
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Not you! kiss

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Post by Hood83 Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:00 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Not exactly the most thrilling game in the first Half. 

Ireland playing the better rugby in the first half Lets hope the second half see England have more of the ball than Ireland.

England have finished stronger in the second half. When they bring on the finishers.

So 40 minutes to go.

Come on England.

 the team with the better bench will win this game.

I think that would be us, but if Ireland score a try next and we're bringing them on in the 65th minute it might be too late.

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:00 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Heaf wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:There's always one poster Rolling Eyes
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Not you! kiss

phew Hug

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:03 pm

Hood83 wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Not exactly the most thrilling game in the first Half. 

Ireland playing the better rugby in the first half Lets hope the second half see England have more of the ball than Ireland.

England have finished stronger in the second half. When they bring on the finishers.

So 40 minutes to go.

Come on England.

 the team with the better bench will win this game.

I think that would be us, but if Ireland score a try next and we're bringing them on in the 65th minute it might be too late.

 English fresh players have to come on and change the way Ireland are playing ie get them to kick for touch for a change, win some lineouts then starve the IRish for possession and territory.

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Post by alfie Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:03 pm

I'm just thankful to be only seven points down after that half.

England surely can't play that poorly again ? Much credit to Ireland for their domination but they're far from out of sight...

Eddie will be having a quiet chat with his boys right now Smile

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:04 pm

alfie wrote:I'm just thankful to be only seven points down after that half.

England surely can't play that poorly again ?  Much credit to Ireland for their domination but they're far from out of sight...

Eddie will be having a quiet chat with his boys right now Smile

Not sure England were that poor, just think Ireland were slightly better.
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Post by SimonofSurrey Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:06 pm

Just in case, do weget a losing BP for defeat by 7?

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Post by Hood83 Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:07 pm

eirebilly wrote:
alfie wrote:I'm just thankful to be only seven points down after that half.

England surely can't play that poorly again ?  Much credit to Ireland for their domination but they're far from out of sight...

Eddie will be having a quiet chat with his boys right now Smile

Not sure England were that poor, just think Ireland were slightly better.

Yeah I'd agree, I think people are going overboard. We weren't great with the ball, some poor kicking, but actually a few breaks as well and just didn't nail anything. More importantly, we were just defending all the time as Ireland's retention was really good. If they keep the ball as well second half we'll see a similar thing I suspect. It's very tough to play against when it's working.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:08 pm

Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here? Looks impossible.

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:09 pm

Only 1 really decent attack in that half that ended in a turnover in the Irish 22 - even if it was highly suspect ...

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Post by Hood83 Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:10 pm

Take it back, godawful handling.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:10 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here?  Looks impossible.

 tackle them to the point where they dont like having it.

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Post by Hood83 Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:10 pm

I don't think this is going to be our day (mainly said to annoy ebop)

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Post by alfie Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:12 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here?  Looks impossible.

Aye - and when we do get the ball someone always drops it Smile

Way to go yet though trebs

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:12 pm

alfie wrote:England surely can't play that poorly again ?
They've played about as well as they did against Wales and France imo

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:13 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here?  Looks impossible.

(high) tackle them to the point where they dont like having it.

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trebellbobaggins wrote:Any idea how you get the ball off the world beaters here?  Looks impossible.
Jinx them in a rugby forum

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:14 pm

Lots of cheating well spotted by Jonny ...

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:14 pm

High tackle from Itoje.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:15 pm

The wrap around does not work Jonny. Try something new...
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Post by Hood83 Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:15 pm

ebop wrote:
alfie wrote:England surely can't play that poorly again ?
They've played about as well as they did against Wales and France imo

That's a fair point, it's not like we've set the world alight in every half we've played. There is precedent here. A lot of the "good teams know how to lose when playing well" might become "Maybe they're not quite as good as they think" this time.

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Post by Hood83 Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:16 pm

Wasn't Cole on his feet clearly there?

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Post by nathan Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:16 pm

Hood83 wrote:Wasn't Cole on his feet clearly there?

It was a ruck.

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Post by SimonofSurrey Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:18 pm

It's only cheating if the ref pings you for it. That the Irish S/h got away with feeding his flanker (sic) at the scrum in the first half is down to the ref to spot. And as we know, French referees are referees , not coaches. England need to wise up as well as step up.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:19 pm

Get Sexton off and bring Paddy on FFS Schmidt.
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Post by Guest Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:19 pm

Here we go

The maulathon

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